Danzo and Hiruzen vs Gai and Kakashi

[super yang]

cant danzo solo?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Orochimaru originally had superior speed then Kakashi. While there is no significant speed war arc Kakashi shows that would overwhelm both Orochiarmaru and Hiruzen. And doesn't change the recont Edo Hiruzen speed gain against Juubito, when comparing to Hashirama and Tobirama too.

Even so, Hiruzen doesn't have to win by fighting hard, he can win by fighting smart.

Part 2 Orochimaru was getting tossed by 4 tailed naruto where as kakashi was handling multiple and superior versions of it. So your"no significance claim" is moot. What speed feat? He got blitzed.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Part 2 Orochimaru was getting tossed by 4 tailed naruto where as kakashi was handling multiple and superior versions of it. So your"no significance claim" is moot. What speed feat? He got blitzed.

Lol someone who was stating having fun, and kept stating inferior compare to Sasuke, showed no significant of losing that battle, nice try.

Speed feat of reaching the top of Dierty Gates, considering the distance they were away from it. And the fact the the very first panel showed that he almost react to Juubito's attack, which is better then not reacting to it at all.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Lol someone who was stating having fun, and kept stating inferior compare to Sasuke, showed no significant of losing that battle, nice try.

Speed feat of reaching the top of Dierty Gates, considering the distance they were away from it. And the fact the the very first panel showed that he almost react to Juubito's attack, which is better then not reacting to it at all.

Despite "having fun" he was making an active effort to dodge naruto's attacks... but didn't. Even said naruto's tbb would kill him and used oral rebirth, despite it being (according to itachi ) chakra taxing. He made no such comment about Sasuke to naruto when the 4th tail came out. It doesn't change the jins that kakashi fought being superior to 4 tailed naruto in multiple ways:
1) 4 tailed naruto isn't a full manifestation of Kurama's power since all the tails aren't out where as the v2 jins were at full according to killer b since all tails were out.
2) the v2 jins maintained sharingan precognition
3) the v2 jins maintained rinnegan joint vision.
And to top it off it was 2v5 which changed to 1v4.

Off panel feats aren't speed feats. And if you're going to count getting blitzed by Juubito a reaction feat then I'mma count kakashi getting blitzed by JJ madara a reaction feat since he was able to turn his head.

 

[ATD]

cant danzo solo?

This would be called fanfiction

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Despite "having fun" he was making an active effort to dodge naruto's attacks... but didn't.

Obviously that was his only option, having your hands sealed, and limited to your arsenals.

Even said naruto's tbb would kill him and used oral rebirth, despite it being (according to itachi ) chakra taxing. He made no such comment about Sasuke to naruto when the 4th tail came out. It doesn't change the jins that kakashi fought being superior to 4 tailed naruto in multiple ways:

Dont see how thats relevant either he would of been killed or not, seeing how you basing your reason that Oro was getting tossed around when that was clearly not the case, and the position that he was in.

1) 4 tailed naruto isn't a full manifestation of Kurama's power since all the tails aren't out where as the v2 jins were at full according to killer b since all tails were out.
2) the v2 jins maintained sharingan precognition
3) the v2 jins maintained rinnegan joint vision.
And to top it off it was 2v5 which changed to 1v4.

1-3 isn't any relevant seeing how they didn't show anything that makes their stats superior to V2 Kurama.

It was actually 3 v 5. And still doesn't change anything I stated, whatever the conditions Kakashi and Guy were in compare to Orochimaru

Off panel feats aren't speed feats. And if you're going to count getting blitzed by Juubito a reaction feat then I'mma count kakashi getting blitzed by JJ madara a reaction feat since he was able to turn his head.

What was off panel? The one that Hiruzen breach the same point on top of the Deity Gate? Reguardless how you look at it, you made it the same time as Tobirama and Hashirama, under 2-3 pages. Much like how Madara and Obito reached Juubi's arrival. Nothing shows Hiruzen being a slow character or will be getting overwhelm by these 2 characters attacks. Until higher Gates of Guy, which they can fight smart then.

If you want to use Kakashi turning around to prove his speed would overwelm Hiruzen, be my guess. Its not going to change that the feat Hiruzen accomplish was much better then what Kakashi did turning around, as he didn't react at all.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Obviously that was his only option, having your hands sealed, and limited to your arsenals.

yet he wasn't able to dodge. Meaning his speed is inferior, plain and simple.

Dont see how thats relevant either he would of been killed or not, seeing how you basing your reason that Oro was getting tossed around when that was clearly not the case, and the position that he was in.

oro was getting tossed. Failing to dodge attacks, getting ripped in half, using oral rebirth. Had he not been in a predicament he'd only use shadow snake hands. And yes by his own admission he would have been killed. Triple roshomon protected him from the brunt of the attack.

1-3 isn't any relevant seeing how they didn't show anything that makes their stats superior to V2 Kurama.

Thats not v2 kurama tho...true v2 kurama would have all his tails he only has 4 not to mention not showing the ability to use beast abilities in that state. In the other hand the true v2 jins are keeping up with and kcm naruto.

It was actually 3 v 5.

No it's 2 v 5.

And still doesn't change anything I stated, whatever the conditions Kakashi and Guy were in compare to Orochimaru

it puts part 1 oro and Hiruzen tiers beneath kakashi in speed.

What was off panel? The one that Hiruzen breach the same point on top of the Deity Gate? Reguardless how you look at it, you made it the same time as Tobirama and Hashirama, under 2-3 pages

proof of them moving top speed? Proof of starting location? U have neither. Therefore off panel.

Much like how Madara and Obito reached Juubi's arrival.

wasn't obito already there?

Nothing shows Hiruzen being a slow character or will be getting overwhelm by these 2 characters attacks.

by databook (which is outdated at this point) he's tiers slower. By Feats he's tiers slower, and he dosent have any hype stating he's fast. He can't go cqc with kakashi since enma himself said he's weak to a weaker blade than raikiri (which kakashi can use in both hands) and guy only needs the third gate to end him.

Until higher Gates of Guy, which they can fight smart then.

higher Gates? Only third gate is needed for extreme lotus. It dosen't even matter since guy pushed out the 6th gate without getting tired afterwards.

If you want to use Kakashi turning around to prove his speed would overwelm Hiruzen, be my guess. Its not going to change that the feat Hiruzen accomplish was much better then what Kakashi did turning around, as he didn't react at all.

I don't consider Slightly swaying to the side a better speed/reaction feat than turning your head around. I'm just using your logic against you. Since getting blitzed isn't a speed feat to begin with. But let's say we were to use it. It still wouldn't matter since kakashi moved more to a vastly superior jinchuuriki, and didn't have him in Los the entire time. Unlike Hiruzen who attacked first, saw him coming yet only managed to lean to the left b4 getting blitzed.

 

[madvictory]

Stop saying "the rivals," you Kakashi/Gai wankers, because Hiruzen and Danzo are also rivals.
OT: Danzo stomps.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Stop saying "the rivals," you Kakashi/Gai wankers, because Hiruzen and Danzo are also rivals.
OT: Danzo stomps.

There called "The Masters" not the rivals. Dumbass.