Danzo and Hiruzen vs Gai and Kakashi

Brother Numpsay

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Sep 27, 2012
Messages
7,879
Reaction score
334
Sees 10 sharingan on and in his had at the beginning of fight, assumes he isn't a sharingan user. Bruh.

Guy will question why those eyes wouldn't be in his eye socket. A surprise attack isn't going to have him still look down on his feet, once he turns around.
 

BenjerminGaye

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Nov 1, 2012
Messages
19,423
Reaction score
823
Guy will question why those eyes wouldn't be in his eye socket. A surprise attack isn't going to have him still look down on his feet, once he turns around.

Him questioning why the eyes are in his arm isn't a reason for him to look into his eyes.(Heck them being in his hand is even more reason for him to focus on his feet since he doesn't know if those can put him under) Either way danzo having sharingan qualifies him as a sharingan user which as you said is why he even looks at feet to begin with.

Even if it is a surprise attack he's still gonna focus on feet.
 

Brother Numpsay

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Sep 27, 2012
Messages
7,879
Reaction score
334
Him questioning why the eyes are in his arm isn't a reason for him to look into his eyes.(Heck them being in his hand is even more reason for him to focus on his feet since he doesn't know if those can put him under) Either way danzo having sharingan qualifies him as a sharingan user which as you said is why he even looks at feet to begin with.

Even if it is a surprise attack he's still gonna focus on feet.

I suppose in 5 meters. Damn the restrictions
 

ATD

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Regular
Joined
Jun 26, 2013
Messages
1,371
Reaction score
59
The rivals win
Hiruzen gets blitzed by a beast runner or gate guy, while kakashi keeps danzo busy and analyzing his fighting style,
Kakashi is a clone feint user which allows him to get very fast a precise intel on the opponent, it won't take long and kakashi has figured out what the sharingans are for.
Baku gets destroyed with morning peacock, Kakashi dodges the futons of danzo with hiding like a mole and guy dodges them with raw speed.
In my eyes danzo is weak, only izanagi made him strong, but against both Kakashi and Guy he has no chance of winning.

Sen 2 guy uses the 6 gate, still able to use morning peacock, hirudora isn't needed.
 

Selan

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Regular
Joined
May 31, 2014
Messages
1,463
Reaction score
108
Kakashi and Gai stomp them even with Mangekyo Sharingan and 7th Gate restricted. Gai stomps Hiruzen and then helps Kakashi dealing with Danzo or the opposite, as you prefere.
 

Haizaki

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
May 4, 2013
Messages
6,233
Reaction score
295
Ej black I hope you're trying to make us laugh with that Genjutsu argument Lol.

Anyways, Sensei's win. Baku tries to suck them in, he swallows Asakujaku.
 

LuckyMan

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Apr 9, 2014
Messages
7,768
Reaction score
464
Ej black I hope you're trying to make us laugh with that Genjutsu argument Lol.

Anyways, Sensei's win. Baku tries to suck them in, he swallows Asakujaku.

Or Hiruzen and Danzos Futon+Katon Combo one shots them.
 

Haizaki

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
May 4, 2013
Messages
6,233
Reaction score
295
Or Hiruzen and Danzos Futon+Katon Combo one shots them.

Yeah right Lol. Asakujaku matches any fire style they have to offer from what I know. Kakashi can easily use this as well
 

BenjerminGaye

Kage in the Making 👑
Legendary
Joined
Nov 1, 2012
Messages
19,423
Reaction score
823
Yeah right Lol. Asakujaku matches any fire style they have to offer from what I know. Kakashi can easily use this as well

I forgot about that. Sh¡t had monster range for a part 1 technique.
 

LuckyMan

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Apr 9, 2014
Messages
7,768
Reaction score
464
Yeah right Lol. Asakujaku matches any fire style they have to offer from what I know. Kakashi can easily use this as well

No sir. Morning Peacock is dwarfed by Hiruzen's fire blasts, combined with Danzos futon blasts. Not only is that technique way smaller than Hiruzens fire blasts but Danzo will be adding wind blasts which overpowers any regular water technique.
 

Haizaki

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
May 4, 2013
Messages
6,233
Reaction score
295
No sir. Morning Peacock is dwarfed by Hiruzen's fire blasts, combined with Danzos futon blasts. Not only is that technique way smaller than Hiruzens fire blasts but Danzo will be adding wind blasts which overpowers any regular water technique.

I'd love to see the fire blast you're talking about. Post a scan..Also, I hope you're joking about Danzo's wind blast overpowering Kakashi's massive water style. I won't even take you seriously Lol.

Not to mention this fanfiction is a complete joke. If they both combine wind and fire, all that would be left is fire since the wind only fuels it...It's weak before the water style.
 

Brother Numpsay

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Sep 27, 2012
Messages
7,879
Reaction score
334
Ej black I hope you're trying to make us laugh with that Genjutsu argument Lol.

Anyways, Sensei's win. Baku tries to suck them in, he swallows Asakujaku.

5 meters and common sense on Guy's behalf should not worry about creep up Genjutsu. If the Izanagi distance weren't restricted, Ill say Genjutsu would work, as he will just creep up right under his noses, once Guy turns around from Izanagi.

You must be registered for see images


Heck Danzo can still be stealthy in 5 meters, if Genjutsu option isn't one of them.

I'd love to see the fire blast you're talking about. Post a scan..Also, I hope you're joking about Danzo's wind blast overpowering Kakashi's massive water style. I won't even take you seriously Lol.

Not to mention this fanfiction is a complete joke. If they both combine wind and fire, all that would be left is fire since the wind only fuels it...It's weak before the water style.

Two points I would want to make, as I am jumping into this conversation:

1. Kishimoto stated that Futon is the best mid range offensive element. So a water entity easily gets beaten by a clash. I dont know how tiny you think Danzo's Futon is to make some significant different of overpowering his Futon with Suiton.

2. Why are you jumping to the conclusion that this is fanfic? It is manga support that you can mix chakra ratio of an element combination. Theres nothing fanfic about that and second:

You must be registered for see images
 

Haizaki

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
May 4, 2013
Messages
6,233
Reaction score
295
5 meters and common sense on Guy's behalf should not worry about creep up Genjutsu. If the Izanagi distance weren't restricted, Ill say Genjutsu would work, as he will just creep up right under his noses, once Guy turns around from Izanagi.

You must be registered for see images


Heck Danzo can still be stealthy in 5 meters, if Genjutsu option isn't one of them.

Get this nonsense filler outta my face.

- Common sense should tell you that if Gai reacts, he does so because he knows Danzo is behind him. Nothing there implies he'd be forced to look at his.

- 2 shinobi's without knowledge could react to things behind them based on the fact that they're aware of their surroundings
and Gai has his Kunai or Soshuga with him. Not to mention Gai as well showed he could react to things he couldn't see . Fu is far inferior to him

Two points I would want to make, as I am jumping into this conversation:

1. Kishimoto stated that Futon is the best mid range offensive element. So a water entity easily gets beaten by a clash. I dont know how tiny you think Danzo's Futon is to make some significant different of overpowering his Futon with Suiton.

2. Why are you jumping to the conclusion that this is fanfic? It is manga support that you can mix chakra ratio of an element combination. Theres nothing fanfic about that and second:

You must be registered for see images

- Danzo Futon is tiny when compared to the Suiton I showed in that scan.

- I said the fanfiction was Danzo and Hiruzen combining. Maybe I should talk about Kakashi and Gai combing their attacks as well. Not to mention Hiruzen and Danzo won't be putting up something close to that scale. If not, Kakashi and Gai dodge the attacks like Kakashi did in the bottom left of that scan you posted.
 
Last edited:

Demonic.

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Jun 9, 2014
Messages
9,526
Reaction score
1,506
OP needs to edit the 5 meter respawn nonsense. Then Danzo negs these clowns
 

Brother Numpsay

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Sep 27, 2012
Messages
7,879
Reaction score
334
Get this nonsense filler outta my face.

How about you take a chill pill. That gif was to show you visually to what I am writing down.

- Common sense should tell you that if Gai reacts, he does so because he knows Danzo is behind him. Nothing there implies he'd be forced to look at his.

I dont see how that implies he isn't force to look when his expecting to look at his feet, when Danzo's body would be facing downward. anyway this part is getting off topic.

- 2 shinobi's without knowledge could react to things behind them based on the fact that they're aware of their surroundings

So you using characters who are sensors to prove your point?

and Gai has his Kunai or Soshuga with him. Not to mention Gai as well showed he could react to things he couldn't see . Fu is far inferior to him

He doesn't have to see what he knows whats coming... Guy knows Tobi can use intangibility and will take advantage of blind spots after phasing through every attack. A taijutsu expert is smart enough to defend his blind side. This scenario match up is completely different as there is no intel of Izanagi to prepare himself.

- Danzo Futon is tiny when compared to the Suiton I showed in that scan.

1.) Large scale Suiton, Kakashi would need a water source, and hefty amount of hand seals to do it. While Danzo's Futon was able to cover a range of 7 ninja's attacking him in a line.[ ] so the attack size is in comparison. Not to mention Danzo can copy this and Hiruzen elements, bar Katon and Raiton, to adjust his elemental size with Sharingan.

- I said the fanfiction was Danzo and Hiruzen combining. Maybe I should talk about Kakashi and Gai combing their attacks as well. Not to mention Hiruzen and Danzo won't be putting up something close to that scale. If not, Kakashi and Gai dodge the attacks like Kakashi did in the bottom left of that scan you posted.

Thats not fanfiction as the manga supports combination the ratio of someone else nature. Naruto did this with and .

You can talk about Kakashi and Gai mixing chakra ratio if the technique themselves can be supported.

@Bold, you obviously being blind about Hiruzen's.

The scan only shows Kakashi dodging temporally. He already admitted he can't keep this up much longer while eventually getting caught.
 

Haizaki

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
May 4, 2013
Messages
6,233
Reaction score
295
How about you take a chill pill. That gif was to show you visually to what I am writing down.

Sorry I overreacted Lol.

So you using characters who are sensors to prove your point?

Was waiting for this part.

Obito was intangible when Fu reacted..Unless you think he can be senses while intangible...this is a moot point Lol. The color of his mask and line on his attire show he was even before Fu attacked. Still argue this and I'm wasting my time as the color change is too clear

You must be registered for see images



He doesn't have to see what he knows whats coming... Guy knows Tobi can use intangibility and will take advantage of blind spots after phasing through every attack. A taijutsu expert is smart enough to defend his blind side. This scenario match up is completely different as there is no intel of Izanagi to prepare himself.
I expected this from you anyways. I see you're trying to change the fact that he reacted to something he couldn't see. He reacted to what he didn't see. That's all there is to it..this paragraph isn't changing that. I'll tell you the same in Danzo's case, he doesn't have to see what's coming to know what's coming. Kakashi can watch out for him, Kakashi has clones that can assist Gai, Gai has his summon as well. Nothing more to argue here. Gai has what it takes to react to him.

1.) Large scale Suiton, Kakashi would need a water source, and hefty amount of hand seals to do it. While Danzo's Futon was able to cover a range of 7 ninja's attacking him in a line.[ ] so the attack size is in comparison. Not to mention Danzo can copy this and Hiruzen elements, bar Katon and Raiton, to adjust his elemental size with Sharingan.
The Location is the Samurai bridge. There's a water source for Kakashi to use. Not to mention we've seen him use a water style jutsu without a water source in that scan you posted.

You made a point with the bold. Meaning they'll cancel out if I interpreted rightly? Because if you meant he was going to copy Kakashi's jutsu, then they cancel out.

Thats not fanfiction as the manga supports combination the ratio of someone else nature. Naruto did this with and .
Yeah but it's not a problem since they can either dodge or mix theirs to effectively counter it.

@Bold, you obviously being blind about Hiruzen's.

Show the scan or you're the one that's blind Lol.

The scan only shows Kakashi dodging temporally. He already admitted he can't keep this up much longer while eventually getting caught.

Lol temporarily? He dodged it even after using his own jutsu that failed . Gai can push up the air and dodge that with ease
 

Beans2

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Mar 12, 2014
Messages
8,937
Reaction score
462
About to jump into this discussion, sorry I'm a bit late.

Firstly - what's this about Hiruzen getting blitzed? The starting distance is 60 meters, I thought that was a good enough distance to prevent blitzing. Hiruzen is by no means getting stomped by Gai, imo. He has ways to protect himself from Gai's powerful attacks, for example the . Hiruzen and Enma as a tag team is deadly and effective against Gai, since Enma in pole form is durable enough to withstand most of Gai's punches and kicks, with possible exception of Hirudora. Should Hiruzen and Gai come into a (with Gai using nunchuks) Enma can

Second, what's stopping Danzo from using ? Yes, it kills Danzo in the process but that doesn't matter since he has izanagi, and will just rewrite history so he takes no damage. Since the Enma pole can extend at will , Hiruzen will escape the AoE of the blast by "pole vaulting" himself out of the way. A combo of Danzo and Hiruzen is for Danzo to begin to use his suicide technique, and Hiruzen using the Enma pole to push Danzo at the opponent so Danzo is at point-blank range and either Gai or Kakashi will certainly be caught in the blast. Enma can also push Baku at the opponent or into an advantageous position so that Kakashi and Gai get sucked in.

Hiruzen and Danzo have another combo attack that could very well be useful in this battle. Danzo uses his shunshin to quickly get close to an opponent and lock them in close combat (Danzo is deadly in close combat with his speed, sharingan precog, and can use kenjutsu with his fuuton chakra blade). This achieves two things: it distracts the opponent and prevents them from weaving hand seals since they are locked in close combat with Danzo (though this second one only applies to Kakashi since Gai doesn't use hand seals.) While they are distracted, Hiruzen wipes both Danzo and his opponent out with a large-scale elemental attack, maybe a fire or a lightning one. Danzo will simply respawn due to izanagi, whereas Gai or Kakashi will die for real.

Hiruzen and Danzo naturally have the advantage in this battle since they have their individual powerful summons which can be used as distractions or in combo attacks, increasing the number of teammates. I personally would give it to them high difficulty.


OP needs to edit the 5 meter respawn nonsense. Then Danzo negs these clowns

Exactly why I have that restriction in the first place. Don't want Danzo to neg them or else this matchup isn't debatable. Same reason KA is restricted. Whoops, just saw that I didn't restrict Reaper Death Seal. Otherwise Hiruzen sacrifices himself to kill Gai and then Danzo stomps Kakashi. Better edit that.

@EjBlack, Kakashi somehow spat out a suiton in that scan despite wearing a mask over his mouth...dat Kishi logic...
 
Top