Current gaara vs current sasuke

[slimreaper]

So I guess he blocked a village sized explosion with his weakest defense, so that means he can block sasukes largest arrow with a grain of sand as your logic suggests.

the farther he spreads out the defense the weaker it gets, that just common sense. Unless he has unlimited sand the defense gets spread too thin. If deidara had use a piercing technique instead of a general explosion he would have broken through it. The one grain of sand argument is stupid. there is a point where gaara's sand is at its maximum defense, where it is evenly spread out. think of it like peanut butter on a sandwich, the farther you spread it the thinner it gets

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

the farther he spreads out the defense the weaker it gets, that just common sense. Unless he has unlimited sand the defense gets spread too thin. If deidara had use a piercing technique instead of a general explosion he would have broken through it. The one grain of sand argument is stupid. there is a point where gaara's sand is at its maximum defense, where it is evenly spread out. think of it like peanut butter on a sandwich, the farther you spread it the thinner it gets

You make it seem as if Gaara can only control the sand in his gourd when he can easily make deserts to use in a fight and create a shukaku form instantly against naruto and all of these feat in a savanna/forest when he was 13.

 

[slimreaper]

You make it seem as if Gaara can only control the sand in his gourd when he can easily make deserts to use in a fight and create a shukaku form instantly against naruto and all of these feat in a savanna/forest when he was 13.

with the power of a tailed beast. just starting with the sand in his gourd if he wants to make more he has to do it before sasuke makes an enton sword to pierce his ass

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

with the power of a tailed beast. just starting with the sand in his gourd if he wants to make more he has to do it before sasuke makes an enton sword to pierce his ass

Dont confuse yourself he did it himself, if not how do you explain why his chakra finished at the end of the fight with naruto. He can make a huge defense before sasuke can set an enton arrow in motion, not that he needs a very huge one to block it after all enton arrows can be blocked with only three chakra rods.

 

[slimreaper]

Dont confuse yourself he did it himself, if not how do you explain why his chakra finished at the end of the fight with naruto. He can make a huge defense before sasuke can set an enton arrow in motion, not that he needs a very huge one to block it after all enton arrows can be blocked with only three chakra rods.

enton burns until the object is ashes. the reason the chakra rods stopped the arrow is because amaterasu has burnt the first thing it contacted to dust. And gaara's defense barely blocked the attack of a susanoo that is 1/25th of madara full strength. and those were complete susanoo, imagine what final susanoo would do to him

 

[Misconception]

It is fools like you who think that Gaara's best defense is that little sphere while he has defenses able to reach village sizes.

He only made that much sand because he was in the sand Village... Amaterasu arrow is just as fast as Susanoo plus the size of a summoning... Garra gets beat low-med difficulty...

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

He only made that much sand because he was in the sand Village... Amaterasu arrow is just as fast as Susanoo plus the size of a summoning... Garra gets beat low-med difficulty...

We will agree to disagree, i have already made my comments and I find them to hold true, you may try to bring up lies and assumptions to support sasuke but it still remains Gaara beats sasuke any day.

 

[slimreaper]

We will agree to disagree, i have already made my comments and I find them to hold true, you may try to bring up lies and assumptions to support sasuke but it still remains Gaara beats sasuke any day.

feats of him making that much sand in an instant without shukaku or a desert present? he can do it in time without sasuke breaking his shield made from the gourd

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

feats of him making that much sand in an instant without shukaku or a desert present? he can do it in time without sasuke breaking his shield made from the gourd

If you cant remember what you have read of the manga then why post in a thread?

 

[slimreaper]

If you cant remember what you have read of the manga then why post in a thread?

he hasn't done it. and against kimimaro he was given time

 

[Microsword57]

You are correct when you say that Gaara is best at blocking explosive moves but that does not make him unable to block piercing moves, his fight against kimimaro shows that he is more than capable of blocking top-notch piercing attacks.

That is actually what that shows and that is why Gaara has one of if no my favorite defenses throughout the entire series. The thing that Kimimaru's penetration lacked was the speed. He stabs his Bone Spear through the front of Gaara's defense and Gaara's defense overcame it. The only speed that was accounted for during this assault is that speed in which he slams his arm into Gaara. Now imagine if Kimimaru was to start at the top of a wall with this Bone Spear[

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]. The penetration would have had much great success. When it comes to the Susanoo Arrow it's speed has been praised to leave people with no option of dodging, people like Kakashi and Danzo. That's a Great speed feat. The Auto shield does not typical bring up the most colossal defenses when blocking automatically especially with little to no time[

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]. Notice how thin the defense is. Susanoo Arrow is easily piercing through that. I have never had the doubt in my mind that Gaara could set up a Defense dense and strong enough to block or deflect a Susanoo Arrow, but with the little time it allows he nor his auto shield could set up the appropriate Shield. There are a lot of things that need to be taken into consideration.

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

he hasn't done it. and against kimimaro he was given time

And who do you think made the shukaku body that fought against Gamabunta? And Gaara said it did not take any effort for him to create sand from the ground and has proven this severally.

 

[MickNerks]

Gaara beats sasuke mid-high diff.

The scale of Gaara's techniques would drown sasuke in helplessness. Gaara is capable of restricting sasukes sunsanoo with his sand, which he did against madara. And it seems that gaara knows fully well how to fight sasuke or susanoo which was demonstrated in his fight with Madara.

Its hilarious that some peoples reponse is "How does Gaara counter Susanoo Arrow?", The same arrow was blocked by chakra rods, so there is no problem for gaara to block it with his chakra enhanced, Nuke tanking sand.

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Gaara takes this.

 

[slimreaper]

And who do you think made the shukaku body that fought against Gamabunta? And Gaara said it did not take any effort for him to create sand from the ground and has proven this severally.

gaara used the feigning sleep technique to make shukaku take over, so it was shukaku's power not gaara's. no effort does not equal instant and in the time it takes him he is toast

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

That is actually what that shows and that is why Gaara has one of if no my favorite defenses throughout the entire series. The thing that Kimimaru's penetration lacked was the speed. He stabs his Bone Spear through the front of Gaara's defense and Gaara's defense overcame it. The only speed that was accounted for during this assault is that speed in which he slams his arm into Gaara. Now imagine if Kimimaru was to start at the top of a wall with this Bone Spear[

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]. The penetration would have had much great success. When it comes to the Susanoo Arrow it's speed has been praised to leave people with no option of dodging, people like Kakashi and Danzo. That's a Great speed feat. The Auto shield does not typical bring up the most colossal defenses when blocking automatically especially with little to no time[

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]. Notice how thin the defense is. Susanoo Arrow is easily piercing through that. I have never had the doubt in my mind that Gaara could set up a Defense dense and strong enough to block or deflect a Susanoo Arrow, but with the little time it allows he nor his auto shield could set up the appropriate Shield. There are a lot of things that need to be taken into consideration.

Yet another misconception on your path, I am not saying that you are not making sense or anything, after all you are the most sensible sasuke supporter in this thread. Water is soft but is you come at it with speed it becomes harder, Gaara's defense is harder than kimi's bones so if he came with speed gaara's defense will feel stronger and break the bones much faster. I hope you understand what i mean. And about Gaara's sand speed when he saved sasuke from the raikage, now that was a testament to it's speed a close study of that manga by you will prove this to be true.

 

[slimreaper]

Gaara beats sasuke mid-high diff.

The scale of Gaara's techniques would drown sasuke in helplessness. Gaara is capable of restricting sasukes sunsanoo with his sand, which he did against madara. And it seems that gaara knows fully well how to fight sasuke or susanoo which was demonstrated in his fight with Madara.

Its hilarious that some peoples reponse is "How does Gaara counter Susanoo Arrow?", The same arrow was blocked by chakra rods, so there is no problem for gaara to block it with his chakra enhanced, Nuke tanking sand.

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Gaara takes this.

the arrow was only blocked because it completely incenerated the rods turning them to nothing and stopping enton. it was the perfect counter that gaara doesn't have. he has no answer for its piercing power

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

gaara used the feigning sleep technique to make shukaku take over, so it was shukaku's power not gaara's. no effort does not equal instant and in the time it takes him he is toast

You clearly do not understand, Gaara MADE the body using HIS OWN POWER it was after that that he released the power of shukaku into the FORM HE CREATED.

 

[Microsword57]

Yet another misconception on your path, I am not saying that you are not making sense or anything, after all you are the most sensible sasuke supporter in this thread. Water is soft but is you come at it with speed it becomes harder, Gaara's defense is harder than kimi's bones so if he came with speed gaara's defense will feel stronger and break the bones much faster. I hope you understand what i mean. And about Gaara's sand speed when he saved sasuke from the raikage, now that was a testament to it's speed a close study of that manga by you will prove this to be true.

I Understand but of course Bone Spear is not water. I Do however understand completely about the Gaara Shield stopping Kmimaru with the added speed because if its not Strong enough it would still break, but that exactly why would do not say Kimimaru's Spear was strong and the same reason why we can still say a Chidori pierced Gaara's defense rather then saying with added speed it does. Penetration takes sharpness and Speed together no one thing can do it alone. I Agree.

Gaara beats sasuke mid-high diff.

The scale of Gaara's techniques would drown sasuke in helplessness. Gaara is capable of restricting sasukes sunsanoo with his sand, which he did against madara. And it seems that gaara knows fully well how to fight sasuke or susanoo which was demonstrated in his fight with Madara.

Its hilarious that some peoples reponse is "How does Gaara counter Susanoo Arrow?", The same arrow was blocked by chakra rods, so there is no problem for gaara to block it with his chakra enhanced, Nuke tanking sand.

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Gaara takes this.

It is more hilarious to reference something I say without reading what I said to support it. What you have brought up was talked about long before your arrival.

Gaara's Defense like the majority of defenses are used to block or cushion the blow of impacts. Gaara Successful blocked a Susanoo sword very well[

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]. The five Susanoo swords was what sent Gaara hurdling into the air[

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]. I would not consider that blocking but he did indeed cushion the blow or he would have been dead. The thing that separates the Susanoo Arrow from the Susanoo Sword is that the Arrow is a Penetrating attack which specializes in infiltration of defenses. For an effective penetration you need a Sharpness and Speed. The Arrow clearly has a tip but its the Speed that has been praised that makes it's penetration power to much. The more speed that more penetration and the Susanoo Arrow has a speed that Kakashi could not react to with foot speed and a speed that interrupted Danzo's handseals[

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]. Danzo never dodged a single arrow fired. Even with this speed I have no doubt in my mind Gaara's sand would not be able to set up a defense, but it will not block it setting up the best defense possible for the Arrow will be difficult in that small amount of time. Also for a penetration attack the best Gaara would be capable of doing is deflecting it like Danzo chose.

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The Mokuton Style is a much more dense Defense that the Sand and Look how close the Arrow still is to Danzo. He attempted to Deflect and could only deflect it so far. For something with a far less density it would penetrate right through and kill Gaara regardless of trying to deflect it.

For you to understand a Susanoo Arrow I must first take you back to the fundamentals. Penetration vs Impact/Explosion. One of the best and more known examples of this is the Chidori vs Rasengan. Everytime these two clash both Sasuke and Naruto are Sent back the same way[

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]. These attacks are equal. During Naruto and Sasuke's fight on the hospital rooftop they were both grabbed and thrown towards tanks of water that have identical features. Naruto the Impact/Explosion did not go inside the tank at all but it blew up the backside[

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]. Sasuke's Chidori being Penetration struck right inside of it[

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]. Now Gaara's defense specialize in blocking Impacts/Explosions being the Rasengan. So Gaara would have a better chance blocking Naruto's Rasengan than Sasuke's Chidori.

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Now for your argument about Susanoo Arrow not being able to break the pillar. Susanoo Arrow would never blow the pillar up even though that is something we could conclude Naruto's Rasengan could do, but it would penetrate it. That is something that it does and did. Susanoo Arrow tip cannot be seen because it is on the other side of the pillar[

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]. In the next page in the top left panel we seen a rear view of Kabuto and the pillar and Susanoo Arrow clearly pierce through[

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]. Just as you can say Susanoo Arrow failed to break the pillar I can say Naruto's rasengan would fail to penetrate the pillar. Now when you were referencing Susanoo Arrow being block by the Chakra rods you are implying these are the same Susanoo Arrows[

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]. Your assuming that Enton Arrows are Susanoo Arrows coated in Amaterasu which is not the case these are Enton shape Manipulated into arrows to be shot. This can be concluded by how when merged with the Rasengan it swirl into it making just a flame[

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]. If it was Susanoo Arrow coated in Enton it would have just become Susanoo Arrow with Larger flames on top but the entire shaped changed and instead of stabbing into the Juubi it landed as a pile of flames[

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[slimreaper]

he can't just do that now, its part of a jinchuriki transformation. go to narutopedia its a form of tailed beast mode. that being said he can't just make giant sand without either sand or time to make it

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

I Understand but of course Bone Spear is not water. I Do however understand completely about the Gaara Shield stopping Kmimaru with the added speed because if its not Strong enough it would still break, but that exactly why would do not say Kimimaru's Spear was strong and the same reason why we can still say a Chidori pierced Gaara's defense rather then saying with added speed it does. Penetration takes sharpness and Speed together no one thing can do it alone. I Agree.

It is more hilarious to reference something I say without reading what I said to support it. What you have brought up was talked about long before your arrival.

"I agree.", you said. Does this mean that you agree gaara can beat sasuke, block his arrow or that his sand is beyond fast enough?