Current gaara vs current sasuke

[Hafiz Dembos]

I see people are scared to reply me.

 

[Microsword57]

You mean those pathetic arrows that could not break through a pillar while juugo blew the whole roof of the cave or the ones that were stopped by chakra rods that kakashi was able to hold and break with his hand? You see if you are going to downgrade Gaara, i can as well bring up many instances were sasuke looked like the weakest character in the whole naruto. As long as the arrows are not stronger than c3 or meteors, gaara can block them.

For you to understand a Susanoo Arrow I must first take you back to the fundamentals. Penetration vs Impact/Explosion. One of the best and more known examples of this is the Chidori vs Rasengan. Everytime these two clash both Sasuke and Naruto are Sent back the same way[

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]. These attacks are equal. During Naruto and Sasuke's fight on the hospital rooftop they were both grabbed and thrown towards tanks of water that have identical features. Naruto the Impact/Explosion did not go inside the tank at all but it blew up the backside[

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]. Sasuke's Chidori being Penetration struck right inside of it[

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]. Now Gaara's defense specialize in blocking Impacts/Explosions being the Rasengan. So Gaara would have a better chance blocking Naruto's Rasengan than Sasuke's Chidori.

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Now for your argument about Susanoo Arrow not being able to break the pillar. Susanoo Arrow would never blow the pillar up even though that is something we could conclude Naruto's Rasengan could do, but it would penetrate it. That is something that it does and did. Susanoo Arrow tip cannot be seen because it is on the other side of the pillar[

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]. In the next page in the top left panel we seen a rear view of Kabuto and the pillar and Susanoo Arrow clearly pierce through[

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]. Just as you can say Susanoo Arrow failed to break the pillar I can say Naruto's rasengan would fail to penetrate the pillar. Now when you were referencing Susanoo Arrow being block by the Chakra rods you are implying these are the same Susanoo Arrows[

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]. Your assuming that Enton Arrows are Susanoo Arrows coated in Amaterasu which is not the case these are Enton shape Manipulated into arrows to be shot. This can be concluded by how when merged with the Rasengan it swirl into it making just a flame[

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]. If it was Susanoo Arrow coated in Enton it would have just become Susanoo Arrow with Larger flames on top but the entire shaped changed and instead of stabbing into the Juubi it landed as a pile of flames[

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[slimreaper]

Now it is just your assumption that the mokuton is denser than Gaara's sand. An about the speed you talked about, Gaara blocked amaterasu although you would not agree. Danzo was able to see the arrow coming without even the sharingan, he had enough time to try and weave hand seals and predict that he would have no time and then to resort to another technique, that time is enough for Gaara to set up a defense strong enough to block that arrow. As for kakashi, he was able to activate the mangekyou, target the arrow and then use kamui on it, if the arrow was that fast, he would not have been able to target the arrow and then kamui it but because the speed was not that spectacular, he was able to track it even as it was moving and kamui it.

sharingan predictive capabilities at work again, danzo had ten sharingan so don't say he couldn't use shaingan predictive abilities, kakashi's is obvious. and there is no way Gaara is tanking this

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It cut through juubi skin and shield like butter.
Gaara doesn't have sharingan predictive abilities so he probably won't react in time to the arrow.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

sharingan predictive capabilities at work again, danzo had ten sharingan so don't say he couldn't use shaingan predictive abilities, kakashi's is obvious. and there is no way Gaara is tanking this

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It cut through juubi skin and shield like butter.
Gaara doesn't have sharingan predictive abilities so he probably won't react in time to the arrow.

Gaara doesn't have to he has auto defense....

 

[Microsword57]

sharingan predictive capabilities at work again, danzo had ten sharingan so don't say he couldn't use shaingan predictive abilities, kakashi's is obvious. and there is no way Gaara is tanking this

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It cut through juubi skin and shield like butter.
Gaara doesn't have sharingan predictive abilities so he probably won't react in time to the arrow.

Danzo having sharingan eyes is a great reason for how he saw the attack coming that never came to me,but Gaara's defense is involuntary; It acts on its own, he does not need to see it coming.Also just debating with him seeing how he post no scans and maintains a cocky attitude on the subject I can highly suggest he will never understand or even attempt to be open-minded on the subject so arguing with him will never be resolved. I post and keep it moving. The creater of this thread on the other-hand seems to be open-minded but he will strong stand for what he believes and I respect that.

 

[slimreaper]

Gaara doesn't have to he has auto defense....

but speed has been shown to be the weakness of his auto defense, and the arrows are one of the faster projectiles in the entire manga

 

[Microsword57]

but speed has been shown to be the weakness of his auto defense, and the arrows are one of the faster projectiles in the entire manga

This i also true.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

Why are you assuming that those full body Susanoo clones are stronger than Sasuke's? Susanoo is an embodiment of the users chakra and it's been proven that clones spread chakra and there are 25 clones making them 1/25th the strength of the original. Hashirama has already proven that the spread of chakra over edo tensei doesn't help the strength of Mokuton clones. Tsunade being able to knock one down also proves that they aren't as powerful as the original from Madara. Are you implying that Sasuke's Susanoo isn't 1/25th the strength of Madara's?

 

[slimreaper]

Why are you assuming that those full body Susanoo clones are stronger than Sasuke's? Susanoo is an embodiment of the users chakra and it's been proven that clones spread chakra and there are 25 clones making them 1/25th the strength of the original. Hashirama has already proven that the spread of chakra over edo tensei doesn't help the strength of Mokuton clones. Tsunade being able to knock one down also proves that they aren't as powerful as the original from Madara. Are you implying that Sasuke's Susanoo isn't 1/25th the strength of Madara's?

Damn son OWNED:scorps:

 

[genii96]

sharingan predictive capabilities at work again, danzo had ten sharingan so don't say he couldn't use shaingan predictive abilities, kakashi's is obvious. and there is no way Gaara is tanking this

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It cut through juubi skin and shield like butter.
Gaara doesn't have sharingan predictive abilities so he probably won't react in time to the arrow.

danzo couldnt use any precog abilities from the sharingans in his arms,yhry were just used for izanagi,so he countered them without a sharingan on.

Why are you assuming that those full body Susanoo clones are stronger than Sasuke's? Susanoo is an embodiment of the users chakra and it's been proven that clones spread chakra and there are 25 clones making them 1/25th the strength of the original. Hashirama has already proven that the spread of chakra over edo tensei doesn't help the strength of Mokuton clones. Tsunade being able to knock one down also proves that they aren't as powerful as the original from Madara. Are you implying that Sasuke's Susanoo isn't 1/25th the strength of Madara's?

those susanoos had legs,which sasuke hasnt shown,if madara's chaakra was divided that much,they wouldnt have been full bodied,since a susanoo with one-twentyfifth of madara's chakra wot be able to do that if it was weaker than sasuke's. Chakura isnt the same as power,having less chakra dosent mean a stronger susanoo,itachi had very low chakra reserves,yet his susanoo was the same as sasuke's,so chakra dosent matter,it only matters when the time of holding the susanoo is brought up.
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sasuke's arrows got stuck in a pillar,gaara has shown to react to instant explosions,if he can react to that,he can react to a damn arrow,a sand wall would easily stop it. Enton did nothing to his sand either. Gaara crushes his feet. And kills him

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

those susanoos had legs,which sasuke hasnt shown,if madara's chaakra was divided that much,they wouldnt have been full bodied,since a susanoo with one-twentyfifth of madara's chakra wot be able to do that if it was weaker than sasuke's. Chakura isnt the same as power,having less chakra dosent mean a stronger susanoo,itachi had very low chakra reserves,yet his susanoo was the same as sasuke's,so chakra dosent matter,it only matters when the time of holding the susanoo is brought up.
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sasuke's arrows got stuck in a pillar,gaara has shown to react to instant explosions,if he can react to that,he can react to a damn arrow,a sand wall would easily stop it. Enton did nothing to his sand either. Gaara crushes his feet. And kills him

Susanoo is an embodiment of the users chakra, so, chakra does matter. A lot. The full body never implies to strengthen attacks at all, if anything they appear weakened compared to Madara's V1 Susanoo without clones as Tsunade has less trouble with them than Madara's V1 and they only pose a threat with numbers, not power. How can clones, with less chakra density (power) from being spread out and less of it than 1 Madara, summon a stronger Susanoo than Sasuke's V4?

 

[Brooks]

Gaara is far stronger than sasuke, people always try to downgrade Gaara whenever they get the chance to, for example, saying that gaara received help from shukaku against deidara or that he has to be in a desert to control huge amounts of sand or that he did not block amaterasu or that his sand is slow and weak to lightning, all these and more are made up lies just so that Gaara can be made to look inferior to most characters. If people really read the manga well they would see that Gaara is the stronger person and not sasuke. only a few people I know like Genii96, blazekev and a few others like Kazekage Daichi now what Gaara is capable up. I can make a thread countering and putting to shame Gaara's haters theories but the have thick skulls and will never understand.

Stop being delusional....Gaara isn't stronger than Sasuke in any shape or form.

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^Now Sasuke's Susanoo has what Madara Susanoo doesn't have and that's "Susanoo Arrow"......this techniques so fast that Kakashi(who's one of fastest ninjas)couldn't even move out of the way and his only chance was to use "Kamui".

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^Now this attack doesn't just have an amount of speed that's nearly hard to Dodge, but also a force that can easily go throw Mokuton.

Now i am going to explain to you the different speed between Amaterasu and Enton.

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^Now the Railkage(who's the next to Naruto and Minato being the 3rd fastest Ninja in the world)need to go on his V2 just to counter the Amaterasu

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^CO even said "He's going to counter it with his "Shunshin no Jutsu" and this when he at his full speed.

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^Now Garra easily blocked Enton with his Sand.

Let's see....the 3rd fastest ninja need his full speed and Shunshin no Jutsu to counter Amaterasu speed, but Garra easily blocked Enton it with his Sand.

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^Garra's Sand couldn't even keep with Lee and this Lee just took his wights off only.

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^You can clearly see Garra's Sand can't even keep with Sasuke speed at the Final Chunin Exam's.

Amaterasu is way faster than Enton.....Garra wouldn't even move a single a hand when Amaterasu hit him in the face.

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^Sasuke has Chidori Sharp Spear.....he doesn't even need to come close to Garra to him with it.

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^Chidori Senbon

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^Chidori Nagashi......this even a better defense for Sasuke when facing against Garra.

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Sasuke without a doubt is stronger than Garra

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Well, it's true his sand doesn't get burned by Amaterasu or it can defend against Susanoo sword, but Enton Blade or Susanoo arrow would pierce his Sand defense.

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^We have already seen what Yasaka Magatama did to Gaara's ultimate defense.

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^With Enton Blade piercing power...it easily pierces Gaara's defense and lights him on fire....Gaara Sand can't handle anything that can pierce....

With that being said.....not only is Susanoo arrow able pierce Gaara's sand, but Gaara's sand can't even react to the Susanoo arrow speed.....Gaara's sand can't protect him if the sand is too slow and we already seen an example of that when he fought Sasuke and Rock Lee in the Chunin exams.

 

[Optimistic]

Sasuke is stronger all these counters to enton arrows and amaterasu are pathetic.

 

[genii96]

Susanoo is an embodiment of the users chakra, so, chakra does matter. A lot. The full body never implies to strengthen attacks at all, if anything they appear weakened compared to Madara's V1 Susanoo without clones as Tsunade has less trouble with them than Madara's V1 and they only pose a threat with numbers, not power. How can clones, with less chakra density (power) from being spread out and less of it than 1 Madara, summon a stronger Susanoo than Sasuke's V4?

chakra is not power,susanoo bbbeing the emboidenment of one's chakra simply means it takes it's form from the nature of the user's chakra. Eg,sasuke's chakra as noted by the kyubi and karin was dark and sinicter,thus his susanooo took an almost demonic shape,whereas itachi's own was more human.
More chakra dosent mean a stronger susanoo,more chakra means you can hold the suanoo longer,itachi's ms susanoo isnt weaker than sasuke's ms susanoo,infact,he even deflected sasuke's susanoo arm with one of his own.
Full body dosent add to it's strength?,try swinging a sword with only the upper half of your body,and try swinging a sword with a full body and see which one is stronger. Also madara had hashirama's dna,which would again strengthen his susanoo even further,tthus the clones susanoo would also be stronger than a normal susanoo.
Tsunade had a touigher time with v1?,tsunade got 2 swords into her stomach and other hits that were off panel that were enough to make her SOH seal start to run out. They also hsd strength in numbers,and 5 of them at once attacked and yet couldnt kill gaara.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

chakra is not power,susanoo bbbeing the emboidenment of one's chakra simply means it takes it's form from the nature of the user's chakra. Eg,sasuke's chakra as noted by the kyubi and karin was dark and sinicter,thus his susanooo took an almost demonic shape,whereas itachi's own was more human.
More chakra dosent mean a stronger susanoo,more chakra means you can hold the suanoo longer,itachi's ms susanoo isnt weaker than sasuke's ms susanoo,infact,he even deflected sasuke's susanoo arm with one of his own.
Full body dosent add to it's strength?,try swinging a sword with only the upper half of your body,and try swinging a sword with a full body and see which one is stronger. Also madara had hashirama's dna,which would again strengthen his susanoo even further,tthus the clones susanoo would also be stronger than a normal susanoo.
Tsunade had a touigher time with v1?,tsunade got 2 swords into her stomach and other hits that were off panel that were enough to make her SOH seal start to run out. They also hsd strength in numbers,and 5 of them at once attacked and yet couldnt kill gaara.

Susanoo alone being a powerful embodiment of chakra proves this wrong. Uchiha have been stated to have been born with powerful chakra, this also proves your point wrong.

Already proven this wrong. Why are you mentioning Itachi?

They only posed a threat in numbers, not power. A single Susanoo sword from V3 clones can't break a weaker defense from Gaara while Madara's V2 shredded a focused Gaara's sand with Magatama's. Susanoo isn't a human being. None of that stands logically.

How does Hashirama's DNA effect Susanoo? It's an MS technique.

I meant V2, apologies. Strength in numbers is also shown as their only advantage over the Kages. They had no real feats in power, other than breaking a distracted Gaara's guard, but that's such a huge feat in power that lower forms of Susanoo have done better than.

The strength (density, power, whatever you want to call it) of Madara's chakra was spread out among the 25 Mokuton clones that each summoned Susanoo, systematically making them weaker than the original. As clones have weaker chakra than the original.

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

For you to understand a Susanoo Arrow I must first take you back to the fundamentals. Penetration vs Impact/Explosion. One of the best and more known examples of this is the Chidori vs Rasengan. Everytime these two clash both Sasuke and Naruto are Sent back the same way[

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]. These attacks are equal. During Naruto and Sasuke's fight on the hospital rooftop they were both grabbed and thrown towards tanks of water that have identical features. Naruto the Impact/Explosion did not go inside the tank at all but it blew up the backside[

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]. Sasuke's Chidori being Penetration struck right inside of it[

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]. Now Gaara's defense specialize in blocking Impacts/Explosions being the Rasengan. So Gaara would have a better chance blocking Naruto's Rasengan than Sasuke's Chidori.

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Now for your argument about Susanoo Arrow not being able to break the pillar. Susanoo Arrow would never blow the pillar up even though that is something we could conclude Naruto's Rasengan could do, but it would penetrate it. That is something that it does and did. Susanoo Arrow tip cannot be seen because it is on the other side of the pillar[

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]. In the next page in the top left panel we seen a rear view of Kabuto and the pillar and Susanoo Arrow clearly pierce through[

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]. Just as you can say Susanoo Arrow failed to break the pillar I can say Naruto's rasengan would fail to penetrate the pillar. Now when you were referencing Susanoo Arrow being block by the Chakra rods you are implying these are the same Susanoo Arrows[

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]. Your assuming that Enton Arrows are Susanoo Arrows coated in Amaterasu which is not the case these are Enton shape Manipulated into arrows to be shot. This can be concluded by how when merged with the Rasengan it swirl into it making just a flame[

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]. If it was Susanoo Arrow coated in Enton it would have just become Susanoo Arrow with Larger flames on top but the entire shaped changed and instead of stabbing into the Juubi it landed as a pile of flames[

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].

You are correct when you say that Gaara is best at blocking explosive moves but that does not make him unable to block piercing moves, his fight against kimimaro shows that he is more than capable of blocking top-notch piercing attacks.

 

[Misconception]

Gaara doesn't have to he has auto defense....

That Amaterasu sword/arrow is about the size of Gamabuta Garra little defense isn't stopping anyting...

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

That Amaterasu sword/arrow is about the size of Gamabuta Garra little defense isn't stopping anyting...

It is fools like you who think that Gaara's best defense is that little sphere while he has defenses able to reach village sizes.

 

[slimreaper]

It is fools like you who think that Gaara's best defense is that little sphere while he has defenses able to reach village sizes.

the bigger he makes it the weaker it gets due to it being spread out.

Sasuke's enton sword easily broke out of a cave

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Rock>Sand

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

the bigger he makes it the weaker it gets due to it being spread out.

Sasuke's enton sword easily broke out of a cave

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Rock>Sand

So I guess he blocked a village sized explosion with his weakest defense, so that means he can block sasukes largest arrow with a grain of sand as your logic suggests.