Who cares about the size we kno both are incredibly big and pica is likely bigger since was compared to a town. Pica is the better opponent making zoros feat superior. At the end of the day we are trying to prove which feat is better the size argument is secondary
[VS] Cracker vs Sanji / Zorro
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How else do you want him to prove Pica is bigger than Wadatsumi? By just randomly throwing out guesses like you guys? Make up your mind.
Even if you don't want to take it as an exact measurement the point is Pica is massively larger than Wadatsumi.
Zoro's feat was calced at higher than anything Luffy managed in G2/G3 let alone Sanji, he lifted an island sized adversary, you know how much force is required to do that?
Let's not go off topic now.
Zoro has the means to break Crackers biscuit armour because he generates much more force than Sanji (and even g2/g3 Luffy in any single attack), and it's not even close. Comparing Hell's memories to Daisen Sekai is the biggest joke I've heard in a while.
The only attacks that are higher end than ISDS are G4 attacks, that's it. We don't know if Kong Gun is the minimum, as there is a massive gap between Luffy's G3 attacks and G4. Zoro's offense > G3 Luffy. Point blank and period.
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By looking at how people of similar sizes compare to them. Sanji, the same size as Zoro, looks like a speck against Wada, and Zoro looks like a speck against Pica, and those specks are drawn at pretty much the same sizes.
The fact that Sanji, before Wada reached his max size, looked the same way that Luffy did when they were near Wada's and Pica's heads respectively.
Zoro never lifted Pica. He cut Pica's waist, severing the upper half from the lower half. The upper half was then displaced because of gravity.
I'm not throwing out guesses, all I'm saying is that you can't present that shit like proof because you've measured it in the manga.
And I really don't want to take it exact so saying he is massively larger is fine by me.
And how is Zoro's feat higher than anything Luffy has done ? Gear 3 showed he had the destructive force to obliterate Pica golem. And if he would make it into a gattling like on Fishman Island against the Noah, he would've recreated Zoro's feat. Luffy's King Kong gun caused 2 parts of the city to fly up in the air by the impact of Doflamingo alone. Also don't forget that Luffy uses blunt force which takes more power than cutting force. try to punch yourself through a steak next time and don't touch your knife.
Also you're telling me like you know how much force he used but you don't know either. Because it's fiction. It's like answering do you know how much power a lightsaber requires. Which is not the question at hand, because the question at hand is does a lightsaber cut deeper than a regular sword does, and the answer is yes of course.
And to stay on topic. With the fest Zoro showed against Pica, and what Luffy showed what was required to beat him. Zoro has no chance beating him.
Lmfao Riker I'm not sure you know this but Gravity is in the downward direction...smh.
The force of Zoro's swing lifted/kept Pica in the air.
There is no other interpretation of this, common sense.
-People have calculated the force of Zoro's attack because you're too lazy to do it. "but, but its a manga..." so what does that prove? Even basic reading comprehension and you can see Luffy has nothing on this scale.
-Luffy only lopped off Pica's head he didn't even smash his head, he only severed his head from his neck.
-Luffy needs to spam attacks for this to even be an argument, and then Zoro can also spam just like he did against Pica. (Fun fact Zoro would have destroyed Noah much faster than Luffy)
-Unless Cracker is standing there letting Luffy hit him with hundreds of G3 punches, he has nothing in his arsenal comparable to Zoro's attack power.
The force of Zoro's swing lifted/kept Pica in the air.
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There is no other interpretation of this, common sense.
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Go ahead and show me attack power from Luffy on this level? I'll wait.
-People have calculated the force of Zoro's attack because you're too lazy to do it. "but, but its a manga..." so what does that prove? Even basic reading comprehension and you can see Luffy has nothing on this scale.
-Luffy only lopped off Pica's head he didn't even smash his head, he only severed his head from his neck.
-Luffy needs to spam attacks for this to even be an argument, and then Zoro can also spam just like he did against Pica. (Fun fact Zoro would have destroyed Noah much faster than Luffy)
-Unless Cracker is standing there letting Luffy hit him with hundreds of G3 punches, he has nothing in his arsenal comparable to Zoro's attack power.
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People seriously overrate Zoro beating Pica. Zoro cut a stone golem(that doesn't have the mass of a real mountain) in half.
-Zoro threw half a building in Alabasta.
-Garp obliterated 8 real mountains as training.
-Sanji sent Watadsumi flying with one kick
-Mihawk cut a super wide iceburg with the mere shockwave of a casual swing
-Luffy smashed the golem's head with one attack
-Weak guys like Elizabello(with a weakened King Punch) and Old sick Chinjao destroyed Pica's arm
People seem to ignore that Zoro would always APPEAR more impressive against stone because he has swords. Its like how Luffy hit Axe Hand Morgan multiple times and Zoro took him down with one attack despite the two being equal at the time.
Ok?
Ok, one of the strongest characters of all time?
Mihawk the worlds greatest swordsman? An Admiral level character?
Both who have greater DC than Sanji? Yes.
Pretty much everyone you named there has more DC than Sanji. Not to mention you made some stuff up.
Never happened.
Never happened.
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To show that Zoro cutting stone isn't godly.
Who used a fraction of his power which shows Zoro cutting stone isn't godly.
Enough to make a biscuit soldier apparently since Zoro's so strong that a biscuit soldier that pushed back G4 would get cut up.
-Elizabello himself said that his punch punch wasn't fully charged.....chapter 740 something.....
-Chinjao told Sai that ever since he lost to Luffy, his illness was screwing him over.......re-read the 770 chapters....
-Even Riker showed a panel of Luffy smashing the golem's head with Grizzly Magnum but like you said, I just made it up. Ignore the manga please if that is the case.
How do those guys have more destructive power then sanji sanji set a massive enemy on fire and burned his entire body with one single attack from one single point of contact that's a lot of surface area and send him flying. Pre time skip he still flipped oars over with one anti manner kick course and also deflected pars Gomu no bazooka with his diable jambe and that's pre time skip your really delusional both pica and wadasumi were fodder wouldn't be able to push the M3 even the slightest zoro's attack is no where on the level of Gear 4 that shows your beyond delusional so that attack would've defeated doflamingo because zoro cut stone yea your the troll bro and I'm just being honest smh
Are you kidding me, it was literally in the post you quoted. I'll wait he says. How about you do a better job reading.
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Here Luffy whips up 2 enormous plates all the way up to flower hill just with the impact of Doflamingo's body. Not even the real impact of the punch.
And the 'people have calculated' argument makes me throw up a little in my mouth. It's disgusting how you can present your made up facts just because you use the word, people have calculated it. There is no science to it, it's all guessing and bullshitting around. Has nothing to do with me being lazy. If I was lazy I wouldn't write a wall of text to debunk your stupid shit every time.
Tell me Einsteins second coming. What does Pica weigh ? Oh wait you have no clue, that's the first guess. Then we need to guess what type of stone, how much force it takes to cut that type of stone. Then we need to calculate how thick it is. How far up in the air the rock is being flung. My oh my a lot of guessing here. Meanwhile your fellow genius Bogard is still under the impression that Pica is 13.5 WTC Towers tall. So how about you start there and don't come up with a bat crazy number that even people
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And to top it off you're bashing Luffy for having a different attack style as if that is the reason Zoro is stronger. Like I said at least 2 times in this thread, Luffy uses blunt force and Zoro hs cutting attacks. To reproduce feats on the same scale require much more force.
Also you're trying to rewrite history or something here.
Did you forget that we all saw this fight and that Luffy whopped his ass with G4 ? Does that not count as something greater than Zoro's attack power ?
The only thing I said about Luffy's G4 is that it was enough to obliterate Pica's head, a series of that same attack would wreck that golem, and yes that golem will stand around to receive that attack instead of Cracker. Because the sneaky switcharoo from Pica to a yonkou commander was a little obvious bud. And you can't hold it against Luffy that he uses a Gatling attack, that is just part of the arsenal he has that in all gears and in base form. Otherwise we also need to divide Zoro's Asura by 9 and count the number of bullets Franky shot to come to the conclusion how strong 1 attack is.
But to say it one more time. The math is nonsense, they are your own numbers that are only made up by guesses which you take and present for facts. It's a bucket of bullshit. Wake-up call but this is fiction. People can't really cut down giant statues, so don't try to do math on it and try to compare it to a rubber man who can inflate himself. Might as well compare an orange to a car and calculate who would win in a game of chess.
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Told you guys. Zoro is gonna cut Jehovah in the next chapter then throw Heaven itself onto Big Mom while using the One Piece as clean-up tissue for when the fans face**** him.
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Dude claims Don Chinjao has more DC than Sanji and uses it to say Zoro>G2/G3 Luffy. So.....is Don Chinjao>Sanji by that logic? Chinjao fought equally with G2 Luffy and was one shotted by a G3 punch. If Toshio still think Chinjao? Sanji, then he shows extreme delusion cause he says Sani can get one shotted by G3. If he says Sanji>Chinjao, he admits that DC don't mean sh!t and his arguments loses even more weight.
Lmfao @Vandenreich.
"To show that Zoro's cutting feat isn't Godly" What a lame argument, if it can even be called that. You just brought up top tiers and tried to make that a point lmfao, as if having worse feats than top tiers means anything.
Ezabello and Chinjao's feats weren't even close to the scales Zoro's was, so huge fail in bringing them up, not to mention those two are specifically known for their DC. One was being hyped to KO a Yonkou with one punch (however false that may be), and another was levelling continents in his prime. So even if you want to call them weak, its certainly not in the DC department.
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Lmfao did you just show a G4 attack? Smfh and these people complain when I don't take them seriously.
"To show that Zoro's cutting feat isn't Godly" What a lame argument, if it can even be called that. You just brought up top tiers and tried to make that a point lmfao, as if having worse feats than top tiers means anything.
Ezabello and Chinjao's feats weren't even close to the scales Zoro's was, so huge fail in bringing them up, not to mention those two are specifically known for their DC. One was being hyped to KO a Yonkou with one punch (however false that may be), and another was levelling continents in his prime. So even if you want to call them weak, its certainly not in the DC department.
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Lmfao did you just show a G4 attack? Smfh and these people complain when I don't take them seriously.
Lmfao you are so off topic right now. It's like you're crying to me about levels of characters lmfao, why are you so hurt? Take your agenda somewhere else. We are talking about attack power right now. Not 1v1s, and how upset you are with Zoro's feat.
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You are hyping Zoro using brute strength+cutting to destroy stone. I was showing you that smashing stone is nothing to heart attack over as guys weaker than Zoro can destroy a good chunk of the golem and guys using like 5-10% of their full power eclipse Zoro's feats.
You are the one saying that Zoro can do a better job against Cracker than Luffy or at least destroy a biscuit soldier because he cut stone. Zoro doesn't compare to G4. End of story.
Lastly, why all the "YOU MAD!!!" comments? Run out of arguments so all you can do is claim people are stupid & upset? Ok.
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Bitch you're really getting annoying. first you ask me to show a Luffy attack that has the same destructive power as Zoro's move. I post 1 and you moan that it is G4, What is wrong with that ?
Also skipping the entire part where I ripped apart your a-hole about your made up math. You're a dodging little worm who only repeats himself and refuses to read. But I'm glad that at least 5 other people are ripping into your fairy tales.
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You can at least provide counter arguments instead of claiming everyone is just upset. Whatever is brought up, you just say its not an argument and overuse "LMAO" in an attempt to......do something I guess? It just makes you come off as desperate.
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Lmfao riker stop making yourself look like a clown, you didn't even reply to my post (clearly cause you had nothing to say), stop filling this thread with hypocrisy please.
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The sooner you bring up something relevant to the topic the better.
"Waahh stop hyping zoro" arguments aren't cutting it. That's all you are doing which has nothing to do with this thread.
I already broke your post down. You made stuff up, and you brought up top tiers. To do what exactly? To say Zoro isn't that strong? Cry me a river. Leave that stuff out of here, your input was not needed.
@Love Cook
I saw G4 posted and I stopped reading your post. You clearly aren't paying attention here. If you can't be bothered to properly follow what's being said, then I can't be bothered to read aswell.
@Vandereich
The sooner you bring up something relevant to the topic the better.
"Waahh stop hyping zoro" arguments aren't cutting it. That's all you are doing which has nothing to do with this thread.
I already broke your post down. You made stuff up, and you brought up top tiers. To do what exactly? To say Zoro isn't that strong? Cry me a river. Leave that stuff out of here, your input was not needed.
@Love Cook
I saw G4 posted and I stopped reading your post. You clearly aren't paying attention here. If you can't be bothered to properly follow what's being said, then I can't be bothered to read aswell.