[VS] Cracker vs Sanji / Zorro

[Punk Hazard]

Is wadasumi a pica level opponent answer that. All of you are going on just how big the opponent is. Zoro is constantly getting better portrayal by not losing in a terrible manner. He can atleast push an admiral ambushing him where as sanji gets caught by Doffy in lowest of possible difficulties. I don't get all the butthurt.

Lmfao he pushed Fujitora? Get outta here man, Fujitora spanked Zoro. If Sanji was fighting nothing but children, then he'd look like a god too. Zoro has consistently fought one of the weakest people in every arc since the New World. The only times Zoro and Sanji didn't fight people of similar level in the NW were Punk Hazard and Dressrosa, where Sanji clashed with the strongest enemies both times while Zoro clashed with some of the weakest, if not the weakest.

 

[Love Cook]

Not to mention you want people to just guess instead of using logic? Stop posting nonsense.

crooked math is not logic. Also every time as soon someone debunks one of your arguments you either sissy out of it or laugh it off.

You were wrong on so many topics that ere clearly shown in the manga.

The fight against Cracker made clear that in terms of raw power the ranking is as follows:

Luffy >>> Zoro >> Sanji

If you claim anything other than that you're wanking too hard.

 

[ToshiZO]

Lmao are you serious so pica was strong he was pure fodder just like wadasumi all he had was a devil fruit that made him big all he did was run the entire fight and when has zoro ever pushed an admiral zoro never even clashed with an admiral I hope your not talking about when fugitora buried him down low and he through one attack that was blocked how is that pushing an admiral. Sabo actually clashed with an admiral and held his own zoro has never clashed with an admiral and doflamingo would've done the same thing to zoro especially when he did it to luffy and the only way luffy broke free is only because he used gear 4 which zoro doesn't have so he would've been in the same situation as sanji even jozu was stopped by doflamingo unless you believe zoro can beat doflamingo one on one which we both no he can't not yet at least.

Pica is weak and yet when Sanji was matched up with someone with the same rank as Pica, he got his leg cracked.

Zoro gets a Vergo rank opponent and he makes him look like a fodder.

Basically what I'm seeing is "because Zoro is so strong, he should be penalized" a whole lot of whining this post is. It's not Zoro's fault he makes opponents that would give Sanji trouble look like turds infront of him, blame Oda for that.

crooked math is not logic. Also every time as soon someone debunks one of your arguments you either sissy out of it or laugh it off.

You were wrong on so many topics that ere clearly shown in the manga.

The fight against Cracker made clear that in terms of raw power the ranking is as follows:

Luffy >>> Zoro >> Sanji

If you claim anything other than that you're wanking too hard.

Stop chasing me around with trash posts like this to get attention please. This has nothing to do with anything. I suggest you reread this entire thread, go back to page 1 and look at my outlook on this fight. Stop summarizing nonsense.

 

[RJ22BIG]

Listen stop overcomplicating this with pretty words.

1 hit from G4 Luffy = shield broken every time.
the fact of the matter is any object Luffy made initial contact with, broke in 1 hit.


That's you thinking this, I explained my stance, you make no sense.

Ofcourse cause they're garbage.
Stop with this cringe worthy whining. I never assumed anyone is a fanboy. I said Zoro hate, like you are bothered by the character so you come at me with off topic stuff.
Just like you never bothered to even read my post?
Lmfao because I was the one that brought math in?

Not to mention you want people to just guess instead of using logic? Stop posting nonsense.


Except it can't withstand anything from Luffy's G4. Kong Gun broke everything it touched.

Btw can you post the panel of what you said in your last post? Something about Cracker not being chipped after a G4 attack? Sounds like another one of your made up lies to back your argument.


Yes because if you knew how to read youd know what I'm saying is G4 attacks >> Zoro attacks >>> G3 Luffy attacks.

If G3 Luffy attacks failed to put a scratch on Cracker, the same does not apply to stronger attacks. Common sense and logic, sometimes use it instead of being a linear tunnel vision poster.


Yes you already said this, "8." lol.


Sometimes I wonder why people like to jump into arguments if they aren't going to provide anything of worth. You really had to let it out though I understand.



Ok so defeating a giant means the feats are equal? Lmfao nice logic. "Look Luffy one shot a giant too guys, his feat should be praised the same way."

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Also Sanji might have sent Wadatsumi down but that's not comparable to Zoro sending Pica up. (Gravity much)

Use some of this energy, to pray Oda gives Sanji some feats instead of fabricating the manga.

Pica statue and wadasumi inflated are way bigger then luffy beating a giant and sanji sent wadasumi flying horizontally then wadasumi fell no lies its right in the panel so you really believe that that massively inflated wadasumi was smaller then the waste line that zoro cut really ???? Come on guy you can't really be serious and sanji one attack destroyed his entire body zoro cut pica he didn't destroy the entire statue and sanji did that without using armament hardening and his D.C. Was that great effecting a massive surface area so are you saying that sanji couldn't defeat pica because that's the only way zoro feat out ways sanji's if you believe sanji couldn't defeat pica is that the case ????

 

[ToshiZO]

Pica statue and wadasumi inflated are way bigger then luffy beating a giant and sanji sent wadasumi flying horizontally then wadasumi fell no lies its right in the panel so you really believe that that massively inflated wadasumi was smaller then the waste line that zoro cut really ???? Come on guy you can't really be serious and sanji one attack destroyed his entire body zoro cut pica he didn't destroy the entire statue and sanji did that without using armament hardening and his D.C. Was that great effecting a massive surface area so are you saying that sanji couldn't defeat pica because that's the only way zoro feat out ways sanji's if you believe sanji couldn't defeat pica is that the case ????

Ofcourse Sanji couldn't beat Pica, is that supposed to be a question lol? Not with the feats he's shown.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Pica statue and wadasumi inflated are way bigger then luffy beating a giant and sanji sent wadasumi flying horizontally then wadasumi fell no lies its right in the panel so you really believe that that massively inflated wadasumi was smaller then the waste line that zoro cut really ???? Come on guy you can't really be serious and sanji one attack destroyed his entire body zoro cut pica he didn't destroy the entire statue and sanji did that without using armament hardening and his D.C. Was that great effecting a massive surface area so are you saying that sanji couldn't defeat pica because that's the only way zoro feat out ways sanji's if you believe sanji couldn't defeat pica is that the case ????

Give it up, man. If Sanji set the entire earth on fire with a sneeze, he'd say Pica was still bigger.

 

[RJ22BIG]

Pica is weak and yet when Sanji was matched up with someone with the same rank as Pica, he got his leg cracked.

Zoro gets a Vergo rank opponent and he makes him look like a fodder.

Basically what I'm seeing is "because Zoro is so strong, he should be penalized" a whole lot of whining this post is. It's not Zoro's fault he makes opponents that would give Sanji trouble look like turds infront of him, blame Oda for that.

lmao where has it been stated that Vergo and pica are on the same level pica trebol and diamante are all fodder they have shown nothing to be on par with vergo he was a tank a vice admiral who fights on a regular doesn't even live in dresrosa vergo cracked the bone of an injured sanji who cares but don't say stupid stuff like vergo and pica were on the same level the only reason vergo lost is because of laws devil fruit his armament Haki was on a crazy high level.

 

[ToshiZO]

lmao where has it been stated that Vergo and pica are on the same level pica trebol and diamante are all fodder they have shown nothing to be on par with vergo he was a tank a vice admiral who fights on a regular doesn't even live in dresrosa vergo cracked the bone of an injured sanji who cares but don't say stupid stuff like vergo and pica were on the same level the only reason vergo lost is because of laws devil fruit his armament Haki was on a crazy high level.

Ok, so since Vergo and Pica are not on the same level. Tell me how Vergo defeats Pica. Go ahead.

 

[RJ22BIG]

Ofcourse Sanji couldn't beat Pica, is that supposed to be a question lol? Not with the feats he's shown.

Well your officially a troll suffering from major fanboyism and your just talking nonsense sanji has off the charts D.C. one hit critical attack power and haki and your saying a fodder pika would beat him yea its official bye troll.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Pica is weak and yet when Sanji was matched up with someone with the same rank as Pica, he got his leg cracked.

Zoro gets a Vergo rank opponent and he makes him look like a fodder.

Basically what I'm seeing is "because Zoro is so strong, he should be penalized" a whole lot of whining this post is. It's not Zoro's fault he makes opponents that would give Sanji trouble look like turds infront of him, blame Oda for that.




Stop chasing me around with trash posts like this to get attention please. This has nothing to do with anything. I suggest you reread this entire thread, go back to page 1 and look at my outlook on this fight. Stop summarizing nonsense.

You are the one summarizing nonsense and want to get attention(All of the "LMAO!!!" post is evident of this).

Everyone's quick response was the same. "Zoro & Sanji gets destroyed as even G4 Luffy struggled." Your comment was pretty much the same as well but with two differences:
1-Zoro's DC blows Luffy & Sanji's feats out of the water
2-Zoro can break a Biscuit Soldier(what I debate against).

People brought up Watadsumi and instead of giving a counter argument, you respond with "LMAO! You can be serious!? I thought you were better than this...." and proceeded to utilize this tactic against every comment against you. The best thing you tried to comeback with was a walltext of mathematical deductions for a shonen manga.....

You clearly contradicted yourself by saying Zoro can break a biscuit soldier but attacks doesn't compare to G4. The Biscuit armor is capable of withstanding attacks from G4 and it took Luffy's 2nd best attack to destroy it, not to mention that Luffy's Kong Gun and the Soldier's CoA sword briefly clashed before Luffy overpowered it.

You are clearly saying Base Zoro is on par with G4 Luffy with that comment and that is what I was debating against but instead of counter arguing, you insult people's reading comprehension when even you don't know what you typed. Maybe if you don't contradict yourself, things would go smoother.

Zoro isn't breaking a biscuit armor when G2/G3 Luffy was a pest.

 

[RJ22BIG]

Ok, so since Vergo and Pica are not on the same level. Tell me how Vergo defeats Pica. Go ahead.

Superior armament haki duh wait because pica can get into a giant golem he would beat vergo lmao so by that knowledge pre mera mera sabo couldn't beat pica either right because he's a hand to hand fighter well sir I think you've officially lost it bud

 

[ToshiZO]

You are the one summarizing nonsense and want to get attention(All of the "LMAO!!!" post is evident of this).

Everyone's quick response was the same. "Zoro & Sanji gets destroyed as even G4 Luffy struggled." Your comment was pretty much the same as well but with two differences:
1-Zoro's DC blows Luffy & Sanji's feats out of the water
2-Zoro can break a Biscuit Soldier(what I debate against).

People brought up Watadsumi and instead of giving a counter argument, you respond with "LMAO! You can be serious!? I thought you were better than this...." and proceeded to utilize this tactic against every comment against you. The best thing you tried to comeback with was a walltext of mathematical deductions for a shonen manga.....

You clearly contradicted yourself by saying Zoro can break a biscuit soldier but attacks doesn't compare to G4. The Biscuit armor is capable of withstanding attacks from G4 and it took Luffy's 2nd best attack to destroy it, not to mention that Luffy's Kong Gun and the Soldier's CoA sword briefly clashed before Luffy overpowered it.

You are clearly saying Base Zoro is on par with G4 Luffy with that comment and that is what I was debating against but instead of counter arguing, you insult people's reading comprehension when even you don't know what you typed. Maybe if you don't contradict yourself, things would go smoother.

Zoro isn't breaking a biscuit armor when G2/G3 Luffy was a pest.

Just stop it already. I'm not gonna keep repeating the same thing.

G4 Luffy needs 1 hit to break through wherever he touches cracker. That....is....it.

Nowhere was it shown G4 was struggling to break the shields. Stop posting false information.

"You are clearly saying Base Zoro is on par with G4 Luffy with that comment "

^Stop with this nonsense already. Can you still not read, I highlighted stuff for you, even coloured it in different colours and everything for someone like you to understand.

G4 Kong Gun does not equal the minimum level of attack needed to break through Crackers biscuit shield, and armour. There is a huge gap between G2/g3 and G4 attacks. Zoro's strongest attack is easily stronger than Luffy's best prior to G4, but weaker than Luffy's G4.

If you quote me again posting the exact same thing after I've explained it 3 times in a row to you now, I'm ignoring it.

Superior armament haki duh wait because pica can get into a giant golem he would beat vergo lmao so by that knowledge pre mera mera sabo couldn't beat pica either right because he's a hand to hand fighter well sir I think you've officially lost it bud

It is to be assumed pre mera sabo has a lot more that he hasn't shown. How much panel time did he have? The same assumption does not apply to Vergo who is finished in this story.

And please elaborate, how does superior armament haki (which you just guessed, both showed FBH the same way), mean Vergo beats Pica? Please do tell.

Well your officially a troll suffering from major fanboyism and your just talking nonsense sanji has off the charts D.C. one hit critical attack power and haki and your saying a fodder pika would beat him yea its official bye troll.

Please explain how Sanji beats him with current feats or don't bother posting at all.

 

[RJ22BIG]

Just stop it already. I'm not gonna keep repeating the same thing.

G4 Luffy needs 1 hit to break through wherever he touches cracker. That....is....it.

Nowhere was it shown G4 was struggling to break the shields. Stop posting false information.

"You are clearly saying Base Zoro is on par with G4 Luffy with that comment "

^Stop with this nonsense already. Can you still not read, I highlighted stuff for you, even coloured it in different colours and everything for someone like you to understand.

G4 Kong Gun does not equal the minimum level of attack needed to break through Crackers biscuit shield, and armour. There is a huge gap between G2/g3 and G4 attacks. Zoro's strongest attack is easily stronger than Luffy's best prior to G4, but weaker than Luffy's G4.

If you quote me again posting the exact same thing after I've explained it 3 times in a row to you now, I'm ignoring it.





It is to be assumed pre mera sabo has a lot more that he hasn't shown. How much panel time did he have? The same assumption does not apply to Vergo who is finished in this story.

And please elaborate, how does superior armament haki (which you just guessed, both showed FBH the same way), mean Vergo beats Pica? Please do tell.

Full body Haki doesn't mean it's strong zoro didn't use fully body Haki nor has luffy sanji or doflamingo but I guess that means pica and vergo's Haki are on the same level or strong then the people I named cracker didn't shown full body and luffy stated he never came across anything like crackers Haki. Vergo was shown to be a tank without armament hardening when he did use it no one could touch him vergo made smoker look like he was the same smoker pre time skip. Pica has no Haki feats at all and we know how you love feats but a guy with no Haki feats is equal to a armament Haki monster please explain that to me ?

 

[ToshiZO]

Full body Haki doesn't mean it's strong zoro didn't use fully body Haki nor has luffy sanji or doflamingo but I guess that means pica and vergo's Haki are on the same level or strong then the people I named cracker didn't shown full body and luffy stated he never came across anything like crackers Haki. Vergo was shown to be a tank without armament hardening when he did use it no one could touch him vergo made smoker look like he was the same smoker pre time skip. Pica has no Haki feats at all and we know how you love feats but a guy with no Haki feats is equal to a armament Haki monster please explain that to me ?

Ok understood, so now explain how Vergo's armament haki allows him to defeat Golem Pica (Which was the main point but you went after what I said in brackets).

 

[RJ22BIG]

Ok understood, so now explain how Vergo's armament haki allows him to defeat Golem Pica (Which was the main point but you went after what I said in brackets).

Okay all vergo has to do is knock pica out of his golem with great enough observation Haki he would be able to pen point where pica is in the statue vergo can use sky walk so he can chase pica down and once he knocks him out of the golem it's basically he same scenario as zoro had one on one Haki vs Haki I may not be a brilliant writer like oda but at least it makes sense and is a plossible situation

 

[ToshiZO]

Okay all vergo has to do is knock pica out of his golem with great enough observation Haki he would be able to pen point where pica is in the statue vergo can use sky walk so he can chase pica down and once he knocks him out of the golem it's basically he same scenario as zoro had one on one Haki vs Haki I may not be a brilliant writer like oda but at least it makes sense and is a plossible situation

No it's not Pica will just keep moving. You know how big that thing is? You think he won't be able to move when Vergo is taking his sweet time trying to run to him?

Zoro had massive ranged attacks and even he had a tough time catching Pica with attacks, but somehow Vergo will run to Pica and Pica will just stand there and allow it.

Vergo will be going up and down an island sized giant before Pica can instantly move out of the way. No, not happening.

 

[RJ22BIG]

No it's not Pica will just keep moving. You know how big that thing is? You think he won't be able to move when Vergo is taking his sweet time trying to run to him?

Zoro had massive ranged attacks and even he had a tough time catching Pica with attacks, but somehow Vergo will run to Pica and Pica will just stand there and allow it.

Vergo will be going up and down an island sized giant before Pica can instantly move out of the way. No, not happening.

Lol you gotta be kidding me a sky walking vergo can't keep up with a giant golem pica. So question for you pre devil fruit sabo is basically the same fighter as vergo hand to hand combat Haki beast which fights with a staff so from what you have seen from sabo he couldn't even beat pica in his giant golem form ???? I just really wanna see how far your gonna go with this nonsense

From the feats sabo has shown which are the same vergo showed which is great Haki can he beat pica ?

 

[ToshiZO]

Lol you gotta be kidding me a sky walking vergo can't keep up with a giant golem pica. So question for you pre devil fruit sabo is basically the same fighter as vergo hand to hand combat Haki beast which fights with a staff so from what you have seen from sabo he couldn't even beat pica in his giant golem form ???? I just really wanna see how far your gonna go with this nonsense

You need to have the DC to isolate Pica or some sort of range at the least. Vergo has neither stop bringing up featless Sabo to save your argument.

Vergo is not landing anything on Pica, absolutely nothing. Lmfao your best argument is Vergo will play whack a mole and eventually hit Pica (which will somehow magically make him come out of the golem). That's how I know there is no argument to be made here.

 

[RJ22BIG]

You need to have the DC to isolate Pica or some sort of range at the least. Vergo has neither stop bringing up featless Sabo to save your argument.

Vergo is not landing anything on Pica, absolutely nothing. Lmfao your best argument is Vergo will play whack a mole and eventually hit Pica (which will somehow magically make him come out of the golem). That's how I know there is no argument to be made here.

Yet again sabo isn't feat less he shown to fight in the same way as vergo sabo cracked the skull of a vice admiral by squeezing it his Haki broke Jesus berguess Haki in the tournament both him and vergo are Haki monsters same kind of feat it's really simple yes or no from what sabo has shown can he beat giant golem pica come on I've never seen Ben Beckmann fight but he looks like a hand to hand fighter him and lucky ro but I know either one of them can beat pica no matter how big his golem is im wondering what you think will happen so please enlighten me my friend ????

 

[ToshiZO]

Yet again sabo isn't feat less he shown to fight in the same way as vergo sabo cracked the skull of a vice admiral by squeezing it his Haki broke Jesus berguess Haki in the tournament both him and vergo are Haki monsters same kind of feat it's really simple yes or no from what sabo has shown can he beat giant golem pica come on I've never seen Ben Beckmann fight but he looks like a hand to hand fighter him and lucky ro but I know either one of them can beat pica no matter how big his golem is im wondering what you think will happen so please enlighten me my friend ????

Again stop shifting the argument to featless characters, I don't care what you think Ben Beckman has. Vergo has shown all he had to show, his time is over in this manga.

If you don't know how Vergo beats Pica, just say so. No need to beat around the bush.