[VS] Cracker>Doflamingo

[LBeezy]

The power behind that attack is enough to knock out Doflamingo after red hawk, injection shot, gamma knife, jet stamp, counter shock, Kong Gun, Rhino Schneider, Culverin, Leo Bazooka yea. You don't have to believe it...but Oda put it in the manga.




Horrible analogy, Doflamingo simply survived the attack, doesn't mean he didn't take damage.

So did Leo Bazooka and every single G4 hit bar KKG do nothing to Doflamingo as well? Because he got up from those as well.

It's actually a decent analogy.. I never said he didnt take any damage. I'm simply saying that out of all the people in the OP verse Doflamingo is one who has an ability to help him with an attack like Gamma Knife.

I don't understand what you're asking with that last question, I'm sorry.. if you're asking if the other attacks didn't do damage? Then I'm guessing you're being sarcastic and already know the answer? I'm not sure.

Well then, with no offense intended, you're delusional on this matter. If they were at equal levels when Luffy was unable to beat Doffy 1v1 at DR then regardless what level it is if they are equal Luffy wouldn't be able to win. If Luffy can't beat him when they're both at 20 he can't beat him when they're both at 50 and he can't beat him when they're both at 100. You can deny it all you'd like but Luffy was in a better condition than Doffy when they began fighting 1 on 1(even if only marginally) and was still unable to finish him within his time limit. Nothing would change, the time limit would still expand before he could hit Doffy with an attack that would keep him down longer than Luffy's recoup time.

Law's Gamma Knife did a lot of damage and it's accurately reflected in the manga, you thinking it's overhyped is you trying to downplay it to justify the Luffy = Doffy damage received argument. GK ruptured an organ, Doffy only patched it he never fixed it so the entire fight the wound is reopening and being agitated.

No offense taken dude.. and no I'm not delusional.. Luffy > Doflamingo.
You guys love to bring up the point of "well if Doffy is at 20 and Luffy is at 20, than at 100 hes at 100 and he still stands back up." But it doesnt work like that. All Luffy needs is a little bit more time in G4 to put Doflamingo to sleep (which is shown in the manga. It's a fact not an opinion.) So if Luffy is at 100% in the fight he will have that extra haki/time span for G4 and defeat Doflamingo. It's so simple that I'm not sure how some of you guys don't see it.

I'm saying that Gamma Knife did damage, yes, but not as much as some people try to claim.. the major factor being is that Doflamingo WAS able to use strings inside of his body to help him. If it was someone else who got hit with GK then guarantee they would be in a much worse condition.

Yes an entire day of fighting people who he literally one shotted. Those punches from Bellamy can't compare to the Gama knife so lay this nonsense to rest.

It's not nonsense.. it doesn't matter how easy the fights were in your opinion.. Luffy still exerted Haki, decreasing his haki/time span for G4.. give Luffy all of that Haki, G4 is extended, Luffy lands final hit before G4 runs out, and it's Goodnight Doflamingo.. And GG..

 

[TRE MERCER]

It's not nonsense.. it doesn't matter how easy the fights were in your opinion.. Luffy still exerted Haki, decreasing his haki/time span for G4.. give Luffy all of that Haki, G4 is extended, Luffy lands final hit before G4 runs out, and it's Goodnight Doflamingo.. And GG..

Since when was it stated using Haki prior to G4 makes the time shorter? That is a completely baseless struggle argument. Luffy lands that final hit just to find out it was a clone he punched.

 

[Punk Hazard]

If we're removing all the exhaustion and damage Luffy got before King Kong Gun, then we have to do the same for Doflamingo. We have no idea if all the damage dealt by Luffy could knock out a 100% Doflamingo. That's pure conjecture and nothing in the series actually suggest that at the moment. The fact that Luffy said twice that Law did a substantial hit to Doflamingo and he wouldn't let it go to waste alludes the opposite, that without Gamma Knife, Luffy would have a much harder time bringing down Doflamingo even with Gear Fourth.

Also, whatever Haki Luffy expended before going Gear Fourth is negligible as it was never made an issue until he went Gear Fourth. Even then, the fact that he ate after the Colosseum, which has been shown to refill Luffy's stamina, should mean whatever Haki he lost was replenished. Luffy replenished enough Haki to go Gear Fourth again and pull off a monster of an attack like King Kong Gun in just ten minutes. The Haki he used in the Colosseum would have definitely been replenished due to all the time that passed between then and Gear Fourth, plus the fact that he ate.

There is also the fact that nothing suggests using Haki for momentary attacks drain energy at any substantial level. Gear Fourth draining Luffy so much could very well be from the fact that it's sustained. Luffy had that mode sustained for almost an hour. Doflamingo noted that Luffy was using his Haki to control his body on an advanced level(it was what allowed him to contract and propel his body), meaning Luffy was CONSTANTLY using his Haki during that hour-long period. Simply coating his hand or leg in Haki for a quick punch or two isn't gonna be anywhere near substantial with this in mind.

 

[JDtheAlchemist]

Im creating scenarios didn't happen because im saying that if it was a 1 on 1 which it wasn't then Doflamingo would have been able to do the things i said. Your acting like im saying he did these things in the manga. Luffy using his rubber band properties to rubber band DD is only possible if he's in Gear 4 but in the time it take him to get to G4 Doflamingo will already have had clones on the Battlefield. @BOLD how is Doflamingo using clones to trick Luffy a dumb scenario? It's logical and sets up for an easy way to outlast G4. Your just saying random things like Luffy rubber bands DD to a wall without even providing how he'll do it. You clearly can't debate so just quit.

Lol this coming from the guy who likes to make up "could be" scenarios instead of using manga facts.. Try again when you learn to debate correctly cuz this is a waste of time.

 

[ToshiZO]

It's actually a decent analogy.. I never said he didnt take any damage. I'm simply saying that out of all the people in the OP verse Doflamingo is one who has an ability to help him with an attack like Gamma Knife.

I don't understand what you're asking with that last question, I'm sorry.. if you're asking if the other attacks didn't do damage? Then I'm guessing you're being sarcastic and already know the answer? I'm not sure.



No offense taken dude.. and no I'm not delusional.. Luffy > Doflamingo.
You guys love to bring up the point of "well if Doffy is at 20 and Luffy is at 20, than at 100 hes at 100 and he still stands back up." But it doesnt work like that. All Luffy needs is a little bit more time in G4 to put Doflamingo to sleep (which is shown in the manga. It's a fact not an opinion.) So if Luffy is at 100% in the fight he will have that extra haki/time span for G4 and defeat Doflamingo. It's so simple that I'm not sure how some of you guys don't see it.

I'm saying that Gamma Knife did damage, yes, but not as much as some people try to claim.. the major factor being is that Doflamingo WAS able to use strings inside of his body to help him. If it was someone else who got hit with GK then guarantee they would be in a much worse condition.

Obviously it'll help him. The only thing it helps him with is surviving, other people get hit they die. So what? You wanted Doflamingo to die and then fight Luffy for Gamma Knife to have a huge impact?

Doflamingo took all g4 attacks (bar 1) and hopped back up the same way after he took Gamma Knife, it doesn't mean it was rendered useless, it was only rendered useless in the sense that it failed to kill Doflamingo but so did every other attack.

Lol this coming from the guy who likes to make up "could be" scenarios instead of using manga facts.. Try again when you learn to debate correctly cuz this is a waste of time.

The only one going against the manga is you, when you say 1v1. Going by your logic if Luffy could have beaten Doflamingo 1v1 it would have happened in the manga, since it didn't, you're no different from Tre Mercer, in that you are making what if scenarios.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lol this coming from the guy who likes to make up "could be" scenarios instead of using manga facts.. Try again when you learn to debate correctly cuz this is a waste of time.

For the most part, he's right. Doflamingo has no reason to wait for Luffy to go Gear Fourth. Luffy in Gear 2 BARELY managed to avoid an Overheat, and even then it still sliced into him. While Luffy is inflating his arm, Doflamingo can easily launch a high-speed Overheat into his chest cavity or neck area instead of just waiting for him to fully inflate like last time.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Lol this coming from the guy who likes to make up "could be" scenarios instead of using manga facts.. Try again when you learn to debate correctly cuz this is a waste of time.

Yea you are completely retarded. You say Luffy can beat DD in a 1v1 then you get mad when i explain how the battle would go if it was a 1 on 1 L0l. Going against the manga? In the Manga Luffy had help

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[JDtheAlchemist]

Yea you are completely retarded. You say Luffy can beat DD in a 1v1 then you get mad when i explain how the battle would go if it was a 1 on 1 L0l. Going against the manga? In the Manga Luffy had help

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Go back and read literally ANY of my posts and maybe you'll get why I don't play that made up s**t

But when I make up a scenario based on what a character "could" do, it's outlandish and immediately dismissed by you.

LOL get real, learn 2 debate, have a nice night

 

[TRE MERCER]

Go back and read literally ANY of my posts and maybe you'll get why I don't play that made up s**t

But when I make up a scenario based on what a character "could" do, it's outlandish and immediately dismissed by you.

LOL get real, learn 2 debate, have a nice night

L0l answer this question how can Luffy and Doflamingo fight 1 on 1 while both being healthy and rested and new scenarios not be brought up?

 

[LBeezy]

Since when was it stated using Haki prior to G4 makes the time shorter? That is a completely baseless struggle argument. Luffy lands that final hit just to find out it was a clone he punched.

Read the manga.

Yea you are completely retarded. You say Luffy can beat DD in a 1v1 then you get mad when i explain how the battle would go if it was a 1 on 1 L0l. Going against the manga? In the Manga Luffy had help

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In the manga Doflamingo had help.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Read the manga.



In the manga Doflamingo had help.

There is one fundamental difference. If Luffy didn't have his help, he'd have died. Dofi without his help would accomplish what they did by just using Awakening.

 

[LBeezy]

There is one fundamental difference. If Luffy didn't have his help, he'd have died. Dofi without his help would accomplish what they did by just using Awakening.

Doflamingo had help and still lost though... lol

 

[TRE MERCER]

Read the manga.



In the manga Doflamingo had help.

Did Doflamingo literally have people carring him on his back from death that was going to happen? Nope. Trebol was hardly any help seeing as DD got hit with Redhawk and Gama-Knife. Luffy help was absolutely needed or he was going to die completely different.

Doflamingo had help and still lost thought... lol

Even if we take away help and make it a 1 on 1 Luffy gets creamed simple and plain.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Doflamingo had help and still lost though... lol

Doflamingo lost because of Luffy's help. Remove Luffy's help, and he'd have died. Remove Dofi's help, and he'd still have the same chances of winning.

If Luffy didn't have the Colosseum fighters, Doflamingo would have murdered him during the ten minutes that he couldn't move. Remove Trebol and Bellamy, and Doflamingo can compensate for that with Awakening.

Luffy has NOTHING to compensate for the lack of Law and the fighters.

 

[LBeezy]

Did Doflamingo literally have people carring him on his back from death that was going to happen? Nope. Trebol was hardly any help seeing as DD got hit with Redhawk and Gama-Knife. Luffy help was absolutely needed or he was going to die completely different.

Even if we take away help and make it a 1 on 1 Luffy gets creamed simple and plain.

If we make it 1 on 1 with Doflamingo and Luffy both at 100% full health and stamina, then Luffy wins extreme diff.

 

[Punk Hazard]

If we make it 1 on 1 with Doflamingo and Luffy both at 100% full health and stamina, then Luffy wins extreme diff.

What would actually happen is Luffy's Gear 4 would run out and Doflamingo would kill him while he was immobile.

 

[TRE MERCER]

If we make it 1 on 1 with Doflamingo and Luffy both at 100% full health and stamina, then Luffy wins extreme diff.

Basically what Riker said. Plus this time Doflamingo can use clones while he's in his awakening mode which means Luffy wouldn't even know what Doflamingo to hit.

 

[LBeezy]

What would actually happen is Luffy's Gear 4 would run out and Doflamingo would kill him while he was immobile.

Manga shows otherwise bro.

Basically what Riker said. Plus this time Doflamingo can use clones while he's in his awakening mode which means Luffy wouldn't even know what Doflamingo to hit.

Solution: hit them all :sdo3:

 

[Punk Hazard]

Manga shows otherwise bro.



Solution: hit them all :sdo3:

Manga shows that Luffy by himself cannot defeat Doflamingo.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Solution: hit them all :sdo3:

That's what DD will want and by the time he's done doing that G4 will have exhausted it's time and DD will reap Luffy's tired body.