[VS] Cracker>Doflamingo

[A v i]

Jack's hype is way higher than Cracker's, and I am not even sure if he's superior to Mingo. It's a bit too early to conform anything. It does seem like Cracker's physically superior to him though.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You need to calm down with this "every character shown from now on > Doflamingo" routine.

Let it play out. You're acting like we got some confirmation. Doflamingo has his own hype, now its time for others, obviously others will get their hype, but until something concrete is shown, no point in making premature assumptions.

Exactly. We can get a ton of characters that are stronger than Dofi, and that's cool, but jumping guns isn't pretty dumb

 

[TheLegend0713]

Well, based on Luffy's learning curve, if he and Doffy went at it one more time, from 100% each, Luffy would slaughter him, or at least, if history repeats itself. Same things happened with Crocodile and Rob Lucci. I'll freely admit that's like comparing a nerf battle to WWII, but every time Luffy would face someone again, he's already that much better.

I think Cracker's got no chance in hell. More arms? Go ahead, you still have a cracker for a shield. I feel like every other character in the series with a massive bounty has a similar vibe to them. Luffy, Law, Zoro, each other Supernova, Doffy, Whitebeard, Ace. They all have a sort of battle-tested determination, and Cracker seems screwed on that aspect. He just looks like a minion to someone far more important, and he's gonna get sent flying by Luffy.

Also, is it just me, or are people starting to get bored of no Zoro and/or Law and/or everyone else? I'd want to see those two and Luffy take on all of Big Mom's crew, and the Shogun of Wano, with no assistance and/or hinderances.

 

[Love Cook]

Also, is it just me, or are people starting to get bored of no Zoro and/or Law and/or everyone else? I'd want to see those two and Luffy take on all of Big Mom's crew, and the Shogun of Wano, with no assistance and/or hinderances.

Yeah dream on, maybe fo write a fanfic about a parallel universe where Luffy and Zoro can beat a yonkou crew with no assistance.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

I knew people would make these threads......SMH Luffy hasn't even started the fight YET...what I mean by that is, I don't think he will fight cracker just yet...it is too early in the arc for him to go all out...
but let give this a try.....
If we are comparing doffy to commander of a yonko, let's not forget when he made Jozu his fuucking puppet.....

Spoiler

 

[JDtheAlchemist]

inb4 Luffy beats Cracker with 1 Grizzly Magnum...

 

[chopstickchakra]

Doflamingo and co.*

It was never a 1v1 from the start of Dressrosa.

So given Luffy at full strength and health vs a Doflamingo at full strength and health... I say Luffy would win.

IMO of course..

Why would you think that though when as you said they were both weakened? It wasn't a weakened Luffy vs a healthy Doffy they were in similar states. You can argue Doffy had more damage but there's absolutely no justifiable reasoning to argue Luffy was more hurt than Doffy so at best they were equal damage. If they were at equal stages of fatigue and damage and Luffy still couldn't get the win what would change if they were both at 100%? Luffy would get more G4 time(we don't know how much though) but Doffy would have a huge chunk of his stamina back.

Eventually Doffy will be surpassed in hype and portrayal but that doesn't mean it's going to happen on every new character intro'd with some clout. Also when did ABC logic start applying. Luffy beat Enel easy, Luffy struggled with Foxy, Foxy can beat Enel is essentially the logic happening with all these attempts to detract from Doffy's standing in OP; Luffy had as hard a time with Moriah as Doffy Moriah = Doffy confirmed, please. Just because Luffy has a harder time with an opponent doesn't necessarily mean that opponent can beat a previous opponent of Luffy's.

 

[MadaraReturns]

This page has 666 views and 66 replies, did the bankers buy this site too?! But anyways I read the manga especially for your thread, he looks beast man, the intro was how a person with +/-900m bounty should be introduced.. Except for the crackers and talking shit

 

[loj]

Eh? You haven't seen a thing of Crackers power and you are already comparing him to Doffy :|

 

[LBeezy]

Why would you think that though when as you said they were both weakened? It wasn't a weakened Luffy vs a healthy Doffy they were in similar states. You can argue Doffy had more damage but there's absolutely no justifiable reasoning to argue Luffy was more hurt than Doffy so at best they were equal damage. If they were at equal stages of fatigue and damage and Luffy still couldn't get the win what would change if they were both at 100%? Luffy would get more G4 time(we don't know how much though) but Doffy would have a huge chunk of his stamina back.

Eventually Doffy will be surpassed in hype and portrayal but that doesn't mean it's going to happen on every new character intro'd with some clout. Also when did ABC logic start applying. Luffy beat Enel easy, Luffy struggled with Foxy, Foxy can beat Enel is essentially the logic happening with all these attempts to detract from Doffy's standing in OP; Luffy had as hard a time with Moriah as Doffy Moriah = Doffy confirmed, please. Just because Luffy has a harder time with an opponent doesn't necessarily mean that opponent can beat a previous opponent of Luffy's.

It's exactly what you think.. I personally believe, that Luffy with full health and stamina will be able to defeat Doflamingo.. I also feel as though the damage Law's Gamma Knife did, is overrated here on the Base..

 

[Punk Hazard]

IIT: Bellamy=Law's strongest attack and can bring Doflamingo close to death; Bellamy and Trebol>Dofi's Awakening and Gear Fourth.

 

[LBeezy]

Gear 4th > Doflamingo with his Awakened DF and anything he has in his arsenal

 

[Punk Hazard]

Gear 4th > Doflamingo with his Awakened DF and anything he has in his arsenal

Literally no way of knowing this currently because Doflamingo never fought G4 at his max capacity.

 

[ToshiZO]

Gear 4th > Doflamingo with his Awakened DF and anything he has in his arsenal

Gear 4th is one limited mode of Luffy's. Gear 4th can be above Roger himself, it doesn't mean anything if your opponent can outlast it, which Doflamingo canonically did while heavily injured.

 

[LBeezy]

Literally no way of knowing this currently because Doflamingo never fought G4 at his max capacity.

G4 wasn't at it's max capacity either...

 

[LBeezy]

Gear 4th is one limited mode of Luffy's. Gear 4th can be above Roger himself, it doesn't mean anything if your opponent can outlast it, which Doflamingo canonically did while heavily injured.

I hear what you're saying.. and I understand, cause you do make sense..

But why do you not think Gear 4th would last longer if Luffy is at 100% health and stamina?

 

[ToshiZO]

I hear what you're saying.. and I understand, cause you do make sense..

But why do you not think Gear 4th would last longer if Luffy is at 100% health and stamina?

Even if you believe Luffy can last longer, then the same would have to hold true for Doflamingo, even equalizing their damage (which isn't realistic to begin with Doflamingo was more handicapped, but giving you the benefit of the doubt, lets say they received the same handicap).

If a 70% Doflamingo outlasted a 70% Luffy, then a 100% Doflamingo outlasts a 100% Luffy.

 

[JDtheAlchemist]

To anybody going on about "Doflamingo outlasting Gear 4th" ... Luffy didn't use King Kong Gun the first time, you simpletons :| You know, that attack that OHKO'd him neg diff (in manga)??? Remember??? Still think he'd outlast Boundman if Luffy used it the first time around? Cuz like.. He wouldn't, and you're kidding yourself if you say otherwise.

Luffy > Doflamingo

That's it.

 

[LBeezy]

Even if you believe Luffy can last longer, then the same would have to hold true for Doflamingo, even equalizing their damage (which isn't realistic to begin with Doflamingo was more handicapped, but giving you the benefit of the doubt, lets say they received the same handicap).

If a 70% Doflamingo outlasted a 70% Luffy, then a 100% Doflamingo outlasts a 100% Luffy.

The amount of damage G4th did to Doflamingo will be the same, if not more though.. you see, I think we may be debating two different things tbh..

I'm not debating about how much better either of their defense is going to be based on no damage received..

I'm only speaking on how much better G4th will be.. powerwise and time wise..

If we do talk about defense, like I said, I feel like Doflamingo's damage received is overrated by some.

I don't think he was in THAT bad of shape when the G4 onslaught began..


But regardless of my opinion on that, even if he can last longer, that doesn't change the fact that the last attack Luffy did will still put Doffy to sleep 10 out of 10 times.

 

[ToshiZO]

The amount of damage G4th did to Doflamingo will be the same, if not more though.. you see, I think we may be debating two different things tbh..

I'm not debating about how much better either of their defense is going to be based on no damage received..

I'm only speaking on how much better G4th will be.. powerwise and time wise..

If we do talk about defense, like I said, I feel like Doflamingo's damage received is overrated by some.

I don't think he was in THAT bad of shape when the G4 onslaught began..


But regardless of my opinion on that, even if he can last longer, that doesn't change the fact that the last attack Luffy did will still put Doffy to sleep 10 out of 10 times.

Then you are simply not staying consistent with the argument. If you want to give G4 more strength, then you have to give Doflamingo more strength defense wise which once again evens it out.

And nothing indicates King Kong Gun alone is enough to take down Doflamingo, by that time Doflamingo had eaten countless powerful attacks.

To make your arguments you have to do more assuming, to make mine I am using significantly less assumptions and more of what was actually shown. If you follow a simple Occam's razor, then you have no argument.