Could itachi control his black flames like sasuke?

[Stampy]

Of course, his brother did everything for him. Yes that part of extinguishing is something we will just stick with but Zetsu not syaing he extinguished Amaterasu really kinda awakens questions about this.

I agree with the specialization but what I think is that the ability to specialize choose for itself. As we know Itachi was always a genjutsu user so chakra was built for genjutsu purpose which is why he had that as his strongest ability and it was deadly. We go to Sasuke he was mainly trained around ninjutsu which is why his Amaterasu was specialized and able to change shapes. It's how Uchiha are some are best with genjutsu and some are with ninjutsu.

Yup but I didn't say his bro did everything for him my point is:
Just before Sasuke got Itachi's eyes transplanted that Itachi was still better than Sasuke, not in Amateresu mastery but as a whole. Sasuke probably did perfected Amateresu on his own cause like you said he was more proned to do so because of his fighting style.
Now Sasuke will most likely surpass Itachi, but only cause he will have EMS.

 

[ssanimo]

you could easily argue that the only reason sasuke manipulated the fire was the fact that his susano was immature and couldn't handle the job

itachi is better at everything and yea, im sure if he could extinguish the flames on sasuke.......then he could change their shape as well

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

You know NarutoVsGoku you didn't had to quote the manga I have seen this fight over and over again... All I see in this post is just an Itachi hater who doesn't want to admit the truth.....


I never said You think Sasuke really won this fight against Itachi, I said I BET... BIG difference... Also when I said I did not had to ask for your opinion when you first snapped at me, I meant because your opinion was already there (So why would I ask you to repeat yourself when it's already there?!)



Now see you're the one misjudging my opinion there... I am an Itachi fan that is given, but I give him the credit he deserve (in my opinion).. I am being harsh on you cause of your Itachi hater, Sasuke lover attitude... not because I like Itachi.



Have you read my posts AT ALL ???? Let me bring out those point from my previous post:


At this point even Zetsu thought Itachi was loosing... at this precise point in the manga there are only 2 people that knew the outcome of the fight: Itachi and Tobi...




From this part of the quote which you wrote we see how even Zetsu thought Itachi was loosing... Remember Itachi was not a bad person he wanted to protect Konoha if other Akatsukis member knew Itachi really was a "spy" sort of he would not have been in the organisation and most likely killed by the other members. So my point is: Itachi was faking the outcome to make it look real... and if it looks real to a sharingan holder (Sasuke) then OF COURSE its gonna look real for Zetsu....



What this says is that Zetsu clearly falls for Itachi's acting.



Now you're saying Sasuke's good with genjutsu's (granted.) but Itachi's better... (also granted) You're also bringing points where it is clearly stated that people say how Itachi was better than Sasuke... and now you're saying Sasuke won the genjutsu's battle against Itachi... (far fetched but possible why not... ) huuuuuuu 1+2=4? Really just admit it already... If Itachi really had hitted Sasuke with Tsukoyomi he would not have been able to continue the fight, thus not being able to release Orochimaru for Itachi's breakfast...

Let's see that one again though:

Freaking priceless !!! :T_T: He is better, but he didn't let him win... but his better!!!!



All part of his plan to make Sasuke believe he is winning the fight.


An obvious one, but not to the simple minded Itachi hater/Sasuke fan: If Itachi had not for goal to die in the first place, he would have owned his lil bro... A decision from Itachi I presently regret.


Good then. We're in partial agreement


Itachi let Sasuke win, accept it it is said by Madara after the fight.


Once again, partial agreement. But the way you formulate your theses, it looks as though you think Itachi could not have won the battle... But let's say you agreed Itachi would have won should he had desired too.



You didn't said it, I DID, my opinion, he was deliberately not intending to kill Sasuke to let him win.
Now I don't exactly fit the heavy Itachi fan picture cause should that be the case I would have DISAGREED with your first post that I came accross COMPLETELY:

ok imma keep this one short. i provided proof in the manga that Itachi lost the genjutsu battle with Sasuke. Itachi tried to put Sasuke in Tsukiyomi and Sasuke defeated it. its in the links i provided. no matter how much you are in love with Itachi you cant deny the manga.

Zetsu was not fooled and Itachi didnt let him win. if you disagree than show evidence in the manga that says Itachi let Sasuke win the genjutsu battle. do not show me that he let him win the whole fight. show me specifically a quote or panel of Itachi lost the Genjutsu battle on purpose. OR.. show me a quote or panel, any proof that shows Itachi fooled Zetsu and Zetsu was wrong about who won the genjutsu battle.. show me where Itachi even knew Zetsu was even there..

im sure a smart person like you will find no problem finding proof that Itachi won the genjutsu battle or Zetsu was mistaken right?! if you cant provide any proof from the manga to support youre arguements like i had done than stfu.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

LoL and you snapped at me cause I said I bet you even think Sasuke did win against Itachi.... but reading your posts it REALLY feels like you do .... My opinion now I'm just saying...

i didnt snap.. but my reasons for not being so nice is because your a prick that feels like every non Itachi fanboy should be talked down to.. idk who you think you are but doubt you would be feeling all high and mighty to my face. "My opinion I'm just saying"

Yes it does but what me and everyone is saying is he didn't have to do all dat to take da w....as in itachi's limit while sick is still more den sasuke's limit healthy so for sasuke to win like itachi wanted he did moves to drag da fight out..to a) get oro out (witch he waxed no prob who can say dat) and b) to push him self passed da meds he took (witch is y he did not stop use'n da high level jutsu)

U follow me

see you kinda just proved my point. like you said Itachi dragged the fight, to get Oro out, to push himself past the meds.. Itachi had to push himself, give everything he could in his sicken dying state.. thats what caused him to drop dead.. like i said before if Itachi wasnt giving it his all than he wouldnt drop dead. yes he planned to lose but one cant plan to purposely drop dead.

yeah i should have put the no option differently since im asking if he could also shape it but the no is just about putting it out with his eye

yea i do agree though that Itachi could stop the flames like Sasuke but to manipulate them, combine them with Sasuno or to change its shape to spikes he did not prove that he could do and i highly doubt that he could on the simple fact that at the summit someone said Sasuke surpassed Itachi on amaterasu.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

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theirs the video go to 13th minute and you can see the whole scene of Amaterasu.

Zetsu states that Itachi stop Amaterasu so it seems that he extinguished it but the term that was used is 'stopped' and also Sasuke used a substitution. I'm a huge Itachi fan but what Sasuke can do with Amaterasu has passed what Itachi could do. Zetsu didn't seem amazed that Itachi extinguished Amaterasu, but throughtout the battle he notice the true powers of Uchiha Itachi and how strong he was. When Sasuke extinguished people were amzed to hear it becuase the black flame keeps buring till whatever its target was is turned into ashes. I'm not stating he couldn't stop it or extinguish it but I could say he most likely couldn't control it the way Sasuke could. The fatc we all hate to admit this but Sasuke will surpass Itachi. I wouldn't want him to get better than Itachi on genjutsu but with Itachi eyes now he maybe able to do that. Also in that battle when the black flames were lifted I'm pretty sure Itachi knew Sasuke used that Oro tech. because his goal was not to kill Sasuke. Once again I'm not saying he couldn't extinguish but I know he couldn't control ir or change shapes the way Sasuke did

well said!! finally a Itachi Fan whos reasonable

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

Agreed, but just to clarify, without Itachi's MSs, Sasuke would have been a blind teenager thus unable to surpass his bro which made his MS last WAY more longer than Sasuke.

I think we can all agree that Sasuke almost went blind before the transplant... He chose to specialize his amateresu which made it very strong. Itachi chose to specialize his Tsukoyomi. They took 2 different path, but I do believe itachi was able to extinguish, most likely not manipulate, but at least extinguish Amateresu.

if you agree than why continue to argue?

Sasuke didnt even want Itachi's eyes at first. and than he changed his mind cuz his only reason was to have every power he could to destroy Naruto and everything Naruto stood for.

Sasuke did almost go blind before the transplant but your almighty Itachi was half blind himself fighting his baby brother. Anybody with MS will feel the effects of going blind. we have seen this from Madara, Itachi and Sasuke.

Duh Itachi chose to specialize in genjutsu just like Sasuke chose to specialize in ninjutst.. Duh they took 2 different paths your just repeating everything that MS Itachi said lol.. is that how you make yourself look smart? repeat others? Itachi was definently able to extinguish his own black flames but he never once manipulated them. if he did than provide when and where. when Sasuke had manipulated his it was stated that he had passed Itachi in amaterasu control. that infers that Itachi had never manipulated the black flames, at least not like Sasuke.

 

[jammersnaruto]

I'm new to this but i thank that Itachi wanted Sasuke to use what ever power he had an order to get ride of oro inside of Sasuke and he used the amaretsu in a vaste area an order to prevent oro to escape like the last white snake. So i thank that Itachi is capable of controlling amaretsu cause he was good and perfectly in controle with everything he was doing from long time ago.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

Yup but I didn't say his bro did everything for him my point is:
Just before Sasuke got Itachi's eyes transplanted that Itachi was still better than Sasuke, not in Amateresu mastery but as a whole. Sasuke probably did perfected Amateresu on his own cause like you said he was more proned to do so because of his fighting style.
Now Sasuke will most likely surpass Itachi, but only cause he will have EMS.

why are you going so hard to prove to everyone that Itachi is better than Sasuke?!? the question is could Itachi manipulate and extinguish the Amaterasu like Sasuke.. if you wanna talk about whos better than make your own thread about it. :flaw:

 

[Inception]

You guys are going to keep going at it. You won't be able to change each others' minds. Take it from my post and let it go. 22 Yes, 10 No. Majority wins right?

I didn't fail to realize what u're saying; I just don't agree.

Yes, Sasuke deserves credit for controlling the Amaterasu vs. Raikage and even keeping up with him but not anything in Itachi's battle as that was not a real battle. It was a made up scenario with the victor already chosen. It's like me playing chess and losing on purpose and then the opponent brags about how he beat me, it wasn't a real match. U dont have to agree with me. Like i said, i respect ur opinions and everyone else's here, it does not mean i will agree with everything they have to say.

 

[black uchiha]

@ naruto vs goku......lol u think ur still missing da point yes I said da things u listed but dis is were I think I lost u at...y did he take da meds in da 1st place? to prolong his life otherwise he would "drop dead"...right...now he wants to implement his plain to "die by sasuke hand"...da w go to sasuke but he did not really win da fight and proof of dat is in da fact dat sasuke used his most powerful move (at da time)...and had nothing left...

Now he may had to give his all to push his self pass his meds but he did not need to push him self to best sasuke ...cause I think we can all agree dat if da plain was to kill him, itachi would take him out no prob right

 

[ReLax -]

Ok as we all know Itachi let Sasuke win the battle. All Itachi did was push Sasuke to a limit so Oro could reveal himself thru the curse. It's true Itachi went all out but still didn't try to kill Sasuke. I agree with the person that said Sasuke did break out of Itachi genjutsu but its not that big of a deal because lets not forget that Sasuke has a sharingan also and the curse mark, he struggled a lot but eventually got out of it. One thing is just maybe Itachi was not using that strong of a genjutsu but Sasuke still broke out and don't forget he knows a little about Itachi's genjutsu because Sasuke has been caught in before. At this point ofcourse Itachi was tougher since he was fighting a normal sharingan user while he had MS. Its like normal Naruto VS Sage Naruto who would win? obviously Sage Naurto.

So overall Itachi went all out but keeping in mind he was NOT trying kill Sasuke. He had to make Sasuke go all out so Oro could reveal himself. That doesn't mean that Sasuke was a better genjutsu user than Itachi. Itachi is dead now no point in arguing about it as much as anyone hates to say it Sasuke will surpass Itachi now. He has his eye now so his genjutsu may get better not saying he will be better than Itachi (genjutsu wise) but he will pass Itachi level same as Madara's. It's just the way its gotta be.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

@ naruto vs goku......lol u think ur still missing da point yes I said da things u listed but dis is were I think I lost u at...y did he take da meds in da 1st place? to prolong his life otherwise he would "drop dead"...right...now he wants to implement his plain to "die by sasuke hand"...da w go to sasuke but he did not really win da fight and proof of dat is in da fact dat sasuke used his most powerful move (at da time)...and had nothing left...

Now he may had to give his all to push his self pass his meds but he did not need to push him self to best sasuke ...cause I think we can all agree dat if da plain was to kill him, itachi would take him out no prob right

um honestly idk.. like everyone says we dont know his full or true power.. Itachi could be extremely lot stronger than Sasuke or maybe he beats him just barely but Madara said had he been serious Sasuke would have surely lost..

if Itachi had to push himself past the meds hes doing that to stay alive to fight Sasuke. all his efforts are into fighting Sasuke. and like i said idk if it would be no prob.. im sure Sasuke would put up a really good fight but yea Itachi would beat em..

 

[KingKarasu]

i think Itachi can control amaterasu completely because itachi mastered his MS

 

[KingKarasu]

i believe that Itachi has mastered his MS

 

[Inception]

people don't understand the difference between "not trying" and "going all out"... they are opposites so please stop using them in the same sentence; oxymoron.

Get back to topic, KingKarasu just said Itachi should be able to as he mastered MS, I agree.

 

[ReLax -]

people don't understand the difference between "not trying" and "going all out"... they are opposites so please stop using them in the same sentence; oxymoron.

Get back to topic, KingKarasu just said Itachi should be able to as he mastered MS, I agree.

Well you see first off Itachi went all out with all his MS Techs. obviously he had to go all out because of making Sasuke worried (also to strengthen him) and to get Oro to reveal himself. We all know Itachi's disease killed him at the end but why? most likely because he was using the MS to much. In the battle he also kept in mind he wasn't going to kill Sasuke. It's like you fighting your bro/friend but you just want to knock him out not kill you will use all your strength but not try to kill. That's what Itachi did.

I know what you mean by "not trying" and "going all out" shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence. It's jusy easier to explain that way sometimes

 

[PositiveEmotions]

ok i wonder if itachi really killed his clan because remember he loved his clan jst as much as the leaf either madara was controlling him or something but i dought very much that the 3rd hokage had anythin to do with the killings of the uchiha clan itachi did everythin he could to save both but couldnt so yea also he was able to control the ms like nothing because his blood line its stronger than sasuke and sasuke trained for 3 years to beat itachi and yet still was not able to beat him bc we all know itachi allowed himself to be beaten for the sake of sasuke

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

Well you see first off Itachi went all out with all his MS Techs. obviously he had to go all out because of making Sasuke worried (also to strengthen him) and to get Oro to reveal himself. We all know Itachi's disease killed him at the end but why? most likely because he was using the MS to much. In the battle he also kept in mind he wasn't going to kill Sasuke. It's like you fighting your bro/friend but you just want to knock him out not kill you will use all your strength but not try to kill. That's what Itachi did.

I know what you mean by "not trying" and "going all out" shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence. It's jusy easier to explain that way sometimes

once again thank you.. this is what i've been trying to explain the whole time to some people but they're not getting it..

 

[Stampy]

ok imma keep this one short. i provided proof in the manga that Itachi lost the genjutsu battle with Sasuke. Itachi tried to put Sasuke in Tsukiyomi and Sasuke defeated it. its in the links i provided. no matter how much you are in love with Itachi you cant deny the manga.

Zetsu was not fooled and Itachi didnt let him win. if you disagree than show evidence in the manga that says Itachi let Sasuke win the genjutsu battle. do not show me that he let him win the whole fight. show me specifically a quote or panel of Itachi lost the Genjutsu battle on purpose. OR.. show me a quote or panel, any proof that shows Itachi fooled Zetsu and Zetsu was wrong about who won the genjutsu battle.. show me where Itachi even knew Zetsu was even there..

im sure a smart person like you will find no problem finding proof that Itachi won the genjutsu battle or Zetsu was mistaken right?! if you cant provide any proof from the manga to support youre arguements like i had done than stfu.

I don't like spending time chasing quotes sorry but since you agreed that Madara did told Sasuke Itachi let him win then hear my reasoning (yet again) about Sasuke not winning in a genjutsu battle against Itachi:
If Itachi had hitted sasuke with his best tsukoyomi, then Sasuke would have been knocked out in seconds... how do I know now that Itachi did not use a full blown tsukoyomi? EVERY TIME Itachi used it we all witnessed severe color changes during that special genjutsu... we witnessed no such things during the Sasuke Itachi fight... Someone said though maybe Itachi used a "weak" genjutsu against sasuke, and that he broke out of it, then yes in that case I believe Sasuke beat that specific genjutsu battle. But keep in mind though that should Itachi have wanted to... and really used the real tsukoyomi on Sasuke.... he would have been knocked out unconscious and Itachi would not have been able to seal Oro-dude. Please don't come back at this argument with yet another "It is said in the manga Sasuke won..." you know I speak the truth here... and quoting more panels would not be counter proof of anything.

Now when you said how did Itachi could fool Zetsu not knowing he was there... I just want to laugh at your face.... WHAT DIFFERENCE could it have POSSIBLY made if he had know zetsu was there?! When you act to make one person IN THE ROOM believe one side of a story, do you actually tell the others not consered also in the room: HEY I M FAKING IT don't think less of me thank you... Also let me requote that momment in my post which you obviously didn't read:

From this part of the quote which you wrote we see how even Zetsu thought Itachi was loosing... Remember Itachi was not a bad person he wanted to protect Konoha if other Akatsukis member knew Itachi really was a "spy" sort of he would not have been in the organisation and most likely killed by the other members. So my point is: Itachi was faking the outcome to make it look real... and if it looks real to a sharingan holder (Sasuke) then OF COURSE its gonna look real for Zetsu....

Take time to actually understand this part really cause you're just coming back with the same arguments over and over again which I already countered... Just like I never countered them...

 

[Stampy]

i didnt snap.. but my reasons for not being so nice is because your a prick that feels like every non Itachi fanboy should be talked down to.. idk who you think you are but doubt you would be feeling all high and mighty to my face. "My opinion I'm just saying"

Not at all, just those that repeat themselves over and over dismissing other peoples arguments because they can't face the truth, which they distord...

if you agree than why continue to argue

I continued to argue cause there was a slight part that needed clarification from my point of view. Don't play stupid with me I'm sure you knew what I was arguing about, and the funny part is, it actually was an argument towards Sasuke's favor.

Sasuke didnt even want Itachi's eyes at first. and than he changed his mind cuz his only reason was to have every power he could to destroy Naruto and everything Naruto stood for.

Sasuke did almost go blind before the transplant but your almighty Itachi was half blind himself fighting his baby brother. Anybody with MS will feel the effects of going blind. we have seen this from Madara, Itachi and Sasuke.

Yeah Sasuke was too stupid to know any better, its only when he almost became blind that he realized he would need more power, and also... not getting blind!!!
Now you say "my" almighty Itachi was half blind himself (more than that I think he was just about blind then) but he was like 10 years older... My point here was not that Itachi did not went blind (because I admit it too he DID went blind just before he died) but that he went blind after YEARS of Mangekyou Sharingan use.. YEARS. Sasuke went almost blind in a matter of MONTHS if not week (no i'll stick with months)... You see where I'm getting at there?
So Itachi acquired a great power. But Sasuke going blind at 16 still not being stronger than Itachi at his prime... how could he possibly become stronger without Itachi's eyes? Do you now see where I was getting at with this?

Duh Itachi chose to specialize in genjutsu just like Sasuke chose to specialize in ninjutst.. Duh they took 2 different paths your just repeating everything that MS Itachi said lol.. is that how you make yourself look smart? repeat others? Itachi was definently able to extinguish his own black flames but he never once manipulated them. if he did than provide when and where. when Sasuke had manipulated his it was stated that he had passed Itachi in amaterasu control. that infers that Itachi had never manipulated the black flames, at least not like Sasuke.

Not repeating, developping and further explaining his very interesting theory.
and I NEVER said Itachi could control the flames, I said he most likely could put them out, not control it...
My argument there was Itachi has a very strong genjutsu which Sasuke can not reproduce, and Sasuke has a very powerfull mastery of Amateresu which Itachi could not reproduce as well.
Not everything I say goes in Itachi's favor learn to read, it will save me some time.