Could itachi control his black flames like sasuke?
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"Itachi underestimated Sasuke on his genjutsu skills.
2. agreed he had to make it look real but not for Zetsu's sake. and nobody was fooled Itachi lost genjutsu battle.. accept it man.."
I have to disagree back wen itachi traped kakashi in it he said something like only an uchiha can beat dis (something like dat)
"Itachi underestimated Sasuke on his genjutsu skills.
2. agreed he had to make it look real but not for Zetsu's sake. and nobody was fooled Itachi lost genjutsu battle.. accept it man.."
I have to disagree back wen itachi traped kakashi in it he said something like only an uchiha can beat dis (something like dat)
No big and I do see what ur saying but at da same time "sasuke had nothing left" it was a plain to hold back therefore it would stand to reason he was holding back...u get what I'm sayin?
I didn't fail to realize what u're saying; I just don't agree.
Yes, Sasuke deserves credit for controlling the Amaterasu vs. Raikage and even keeping up with him but not anything in Itachi's battle as that was not a real battle. It was a made up scenario with the victor already chosen. It's like me playing chess and losing on purpose and then the opponent brags about how he beat me, it wasn't a real match. U dont have to agree with me. Like i said, i respect ur opinions and everyone else's here, it does not mean i will agree with everything they have to say.
And PositiveEmotions... It's a debate, not an argument. I dont see how knowing each other face to face would make a difference. We're different people, it's human nature to have different perspectives. If everyone agreed with each other, forums like these would not exist.
Yes, Sasuke deserves credit for controlling the Amaterasu vs. Raikage and even keeping up with him but not anything in Itachi's battle as that was not a real battle. It was a made up scenario with the victor already chosen. It's like me playing chess and losing on purpose and then the opponent brags about how he beat me, it wasn't a real match. U dont have to agree with me. Like i said, i respect ur opinions and everyone else's here, it does not mean i will agree with everything they have to say.
And PositiveEmotions... It's a debate, not an argument. I dont see how knowing each other face to face would make a difference. We're different people, it's human nature to have different perspectives. If everyone agreed with each other, forums like these would not exist.
PositiveEmotions
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ya no shit dude lol but still tho if this was a fight it would be stupid i mean an argument its ok i guess but a online fist fight like this " :flaw: " thats not cool lol
NarutoVsGoku
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yea i do.. look like i stated.. doing Sasuno, Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi, deflecting thunderbolts and sealing 8 headed giant snake monsters takes its toll on a dying man.. Itachi was in a weaken state planned to lose but had to give his all. he had to push Sasuke to his limit and seal Oro. notice after the whole fight he dropped dead.. yea he planned to die and lose but someone cant willfullingly drop dead..
dats like playing chess planning to lose .... and just dropping dead.. lol
lol ok ill admit i was argueing wit 1 person but he was acting like a douche.. Black Uchiha and Inception r cool tho
read wat i wrote to Black Uchiha cuz it applies to you too..
PositiveEmotions
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You know NarutoVsGoku you didn't had to quote the manga I have seen this fight over and over again... All I see in this post is just an Itachi hater who doesn't want to admit the truth.....
Let's see that one again though:
Now I don't exactly fit the heavy Itachi fan picture cause should that be the case I would have DISAGREED with your first post that I came accross COMPLETELY:
I never said You think Sasuke really won this fight against Itachi, I said I BET... BIG difference... Also when I said I did not had to ask for your opinion when you first snapped at me, I meant because your opinion was already there (So why would I ask you to repeat yourself when it's already there?!)
Now see you're the one misjudging my opinion there... I am an Itachi fan that is given, but I give him the credit he deserve (in my opinion).. I am being harsh on you cause of your Itachi hater, Sasuke lover attitude... not because I like Itachi.
Have you read my posts AT ALL ???? Let me bring out those point from my previous post:
At this point even Zetsu thought Itachi was loosing... at this precise point in the manga there are only 2 people that knew the outcome of the fight: Itachi and Tobi...
From this part of the quote which you wrote we see how even Zetsu thought Itachi was loosing... Remember Itachi was not a bad person he wanted to protect Konoha if other Akatsukis member knew Itachi really was a "spy" sort of he would not have been in the organisation and most likely killed by the other members. So my point is: Itachi was faking the outcome to make it look real... and if it looks real to a sharingan holder (Sasuke) then OF COURSE its gonna look real for Zetsu....
What this says is that Zetsu clearly falls for Itachi's acting.
Now you're saying Sasuke's good with genjutsu's (granted.) but Itachi's better... (also granted) You're also bringing points where it is clearly stated that people say how Itachi was better than Sasuke... and now you're saying Sasuke won the genjutsu's battle against Itachi... (far fetched but possible why not... ) huuuuuuu 1+2=4? Really just admit it already... If Itachi really had hitted Sasuke with Tsukoyomi he would not have been able to continue the fight, thus not being able to release Orochimaru for Itachi's breakfast...
Let's see that one again though:
Freaking priceless !!! :T_T: He is better, but he didn't let him win... but his better!!!!
All part of his plan to make Sasuke believe he is winning the fight.
An obvious one, but not to the simple minded Itachi hater/Sasuke fan: If Itachi had not for goal to die in the first place, he would have owned his lil bro... A decision from Itachi I presently regret.
Good then. We're in partial agreement
Itachi let Sasuke win, accept it it is said by Madara after the fight.
Once again, partial agreement. But the way you formulate your theses, it looks as though you think Itachi could not have won the battle... But let's say you agreed Itachi would have won should he had desired too.
You didn't said it, I DID, my opinion, he was deliberately not intending to kill Sasuke to let him win.
Now I don't exactly fit the heavy Itachi fan picture cause should that be the case I would have DISAGREED with your first post that I came accross COMPLETELY:
black uchiha
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Yes it does but what me and everyone is saying is he didn't have to do all dat to take da w....as in itachi's limit while sick is still more den sasuke's limit healthy so for sasuke to win like itachi wanted he did moves to drag da fight out..to a) get oro out (witch he waxed no prob who can say dat) and b) to push him self passed da meds he took (witch is y he did not stop use'n da high level jutsu)
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Professor Sarutobi
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yeah i should have put the no option differently since im asking if he could also shape it but the no is just about putting it out with his eye
darknesscreater
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itachi can control the black flames, he is better at genjutsu than sasuke, how cud sasuke control the flames, but not itachi?
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infinetrinnegan
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zetsu and madara sead that sasuke can control the flames of amunterasu but they never sead that itachio cant...so i think he could just not as good as sasuke
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theirs the video go to 13th minute and you can see the whole scene of Amaterasu.
Zetsu states that Itachi stop Amaterasu so it seems that he extinguished it but the term that was used is 'stopped' and also Sasuke used a substitution. I'm a huge Itachi fan but what Sasuke can do with Amaterasu has passed what Itachi could do. Zetsu didn't seem amazed that Itachi extinguished Amaterasu, but throughtout the battle he notice the true powers of Uchiha Itachi and how strong he was. When Sasuke extinguished people were amzed to hear it becuase the black flame keeps buring till whatever its target was is turned into ashes. I'm not stating he couldn't stop it or extinguish it but I could say he most likely couldn't control it the way Sasuke could. The fatc we all hate to admit this but Sasuke will surpass Itachi. I wouldn't want him to get better than Itachi on genjutsu but with Itachi eyes now he maybe able to do that. Also in that battle when the black flames were lifted I'm pretty sure Itachi knew Sasuke used that Oro tech. because his goal was not to kill Sasuke. Once again I'm not saying he couldn't extinguish but I know he couldn't control ir or change shapes the way Sasuke did
Saiyan Kammy
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itachi could kill sasuke in seconds if he wanted to. dont you guys get it itachi was not fighting seriously. he didnt show what he was fully capable with amaretsu. sasuke only broke threw itachis tsukyomi because because itachi was ill and he let him break threw it. itachis tsukyomi is virtually imposiible to break out of but he let him. itachis has a stronger tskuyomi than sasuke because he can control the length and time making it terribly deadly. itachis sussano is stronger than sasukes sussano because itachi has the legendary spiritual items the Totsuka Sword and the Yata mirror. now amaretsu, i read what someone put which was someone said at the 5 kage summit that sasuke is more skillfull than itachi. you are wrong read the chapter again, what he actually said was is sasuke even skillfull than itachi? he didnt say that he was more skillfull than itachi, it just was a question. if itachi used his full extent powers of amaretsu and tskuyomi, sasuke would be finished in mere seconds, and that was not itachis objective because he wanted to get that orochimaru out of him by pushing sasuke to his limits and he wanted to die from his bro. you guys just wait untill you see the true power of this genius in the war with his scarlet eyes destroying evrey path he sets his eyes too, then you will wonder why madara uchiha feared this guy.
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Agreed, but just to clarify, without Itachi's MSs, Sasuke would have been a blind teenager thus unable to surpass his bro which made his MS last WAY more longer than Sasuke.
I think we can all agree that Sasuke almost went blind before the transplant... He chose to specialize his amateresu which made it very strong. Itachi chose to specialize his Tsukoyomi. They took 2 different path, but I do believe itachi was able to extinguish, most likely not manipulate, but at least extinguish Amateresu.
Saiyan Kammy
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mate he is a genius why would he not perfect amaretsu. also itachi gave sasuke his powers of amaretsu. Itachi was a master of all the Uchiha clan's techniques, along with the Sharingan, and had great prowess with all of the three main types of jutsu.
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Of course, his brother did everything for him. Yes that part of extinguishing is something we will just stick with but Zetsu not syaing he extinguished Amaterasu really kinda awakens questions about this.
I agree with the specialization but what I think is that the ability to specialize choose for itself. As we know Itachi was always a genjutsu user so chakra was built for genjutsu purpose which is why he had that as his strongest ability and it was deadly. We go to Sasuke he was mainly trained around ninjutsu which is why his Amaterasu was specialized and able to change shapes. It's how Uchiha are some are best with genjutsu and some are with ninjutsu.