[NEWS] Conservative Influencer Charlie Kirk Shooting

[Caliburn]

It just has been confirmed that the conservative American Influencer Charlie Kirk has died after being shot in the neck at the University of Utah.

I've sporadically seen video fragments of him across social media, but it's a rather odd feeling when you then suddenly see that person appear in the headlines of mainstream news.

 

[The Big Boss]

Charlie Kirk Says Gun Deaths ‘Unfortunately’ Worth it to Keep 2nd Amendment.​

I don’t support his views at all.

 

[Yin]

Charlie Kirk Says Gun Deaths ‘Unfortunately’ Worth it to Keep 2nd Amendment.​

I don’t support his views at all.

Doesn't matter. A man died and death didn't fit the punishment of what you did and didn't agree with.

It's disgusting. Logically he died proving why the 2nd amendment should be upheld. There is danger all around us. And anything can happen at any moment.

Its disgusting that that is your only sentiments on the matter. Get real. They have far worse people deserving of getting shot dead in the streets where the punishment actually fits the crime but because he said things you simply didn't agree with, you're okay with him dying. Cool story. Makes sense.

 

[The Big Boss]

Doesn't matter. A man died and death didn't fit the punishment of what you did and didn't agree with.

It's disgusting. Logically he died proving why the 2nd amendment should be upheld. There is danger all around us. And anything can happen at any moment.

Its disgusting that that is your only sentiments on the matter. Get real. They have far worse people deserving of getting shot dead in the streets where the punishment actually fits the crime but because he said things you simply didn't agree with, you're okay with him dying. Cool story. Makes sense.

I said I don’t support his views and I also quoted him. That was it.

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[Yin]

I said I don’t support his views and I also quoted him. That was it.

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And I quoted your apparent lack of empathy and sympathy for a dead man. I didn't misconstrue anything.

 

[The Big Boss]

And I quoted your apparent lack of empathy and sympathy for a dead man. I didn't misconstrue anything.

I made no mention of his death.

 

[Yin]

I made no mention of his death.

Funny how you didn't when the focal point of the topic is literally his death but I digress. Not finna argue with someone like you.

 

[Hunty]

Funny how you didn't when the focal point of the topic is literally his death but I digress. Not finna argue with someone like you.

Well…

 

[Yin]

Well…

I'm already aware of this. I guess what this means to you guys is not feeling remorse. Because that is what it is being equated to and its disgusting, really. I'm not sure how the logic adds up here. "He died adhering to his beliefs. Therefore he deserved to die and I shouldn't be sad." That's flawed logic we are working with here but nothing new. Not surprised.

 

[Zise]

I'm already aware of this. I guess what this means to you guys is not feeling remorse. Because that is what it is being equated to and its disgusting, really. I'm not sure how the logic adds up here. "He died adhering to his beliefs. Therefore he deserved to die and I shouldn't be sad." That's flawed logic we are working with here but nothing new. Not surprised.

I think you are drawing your own conclusions about remorse or empathy with lack of context or information that they actually think this way.

Nobody should have to get killed for speaking their mind or debating topics... it's simply wrong and I don't think many people would disagree. Either way rest in peace.

 

[Yin]

I think you are drawing your own conclusions about remorse or empathy with lack of context or information that they actually think this way.

Nobody should have to get killed for speaking their mind or debating topics... it's simply wrong and I don't think many people would disagree. Either way rest in peace.

Nah. I'm literally speaking facts period point blank. I even outlined what I was pointing out. Conclusion? No. Factual answer with logical reasoning? Yes.

There's a reason you said what you said in that second portion the way you did and they didn't. No one here is dumb. Leaving an answer open for questioning on a topic like this in itself is a deceptive practice and rhetoric to mask other negative sentiments. That way they can dabble back and forth with "I said what I said" and "but I never said that". And I will call it out 10/10 times.

I don't believe in radicalization and that's partially what it reminds me of when it comes to actually discussing said topics. Staying silent and saying "well... He said this." is a huge problem. And it just won't fly with me. The guy was a God-fearing conservative with the best intentions for humanity as whole in mind whether anyone disagrees or not, not Hitler. Don't be a pos.

 

[Zise]

Nah. I'm literally speaking facts period point blank. I even outlined what I was pointing out. Conclusion? No. Factual answer with logical reasoning? Yes.

There's a reason you said what you said in that second portion the way you did and they didn't. No one here is dumb. Leaving an answer open for questioning on a topic like this in itself is a deceptive practice and rhetoric to mask other negative sentiments. That way they can dabble back and forth with "I said what I said" and "but I never said that". And I will call it out 10/10 times.

I don't believe in radicalization and that's partially what it reminds me of when it comes to actually discussing said topics. Staying silent and saying "well... He said this." is a huge problem. And it just won't fly with me. The guy was a God-fearing conservative with the best intentions for humanity as whole in mind whether anyone disagrees or not, not Hitler. Don't be a pos.

Pretending that subjective thoughts are facts is a slippery slope, your opinion might be correct but currently there is no data to back it up in this thread. Either way I'm not gonna take this any further.

 

[Yin]

Pretending that subjective thoughts are facts is a slippery slope, your opinion might be correct but currently there is no data to back it up in this thread. Either way I'm not gonna take this any further.

Point out the subjective thoughts and point out my opinion and I will address them accordingly if you wish to continue.

Also "no data" doesnt mean deductive reasoning doesnt apply also when it comes to how someone portrays themselves "no data" can mean a whole lot actually. And it usually isn't positive. Everything already spoke for itself.

I think you reducing my clear-cut reasoning to "pretend" is very rude but I know you didn't mean it to upset me so I will try not to reason with you based off of that. But I think that was an unfair and very inaccurate assessment of the conversations that have taken place here

 

[Zise]

Point out the subjective thoughts and point out my opinion and I will address them accordingly if you wish to continue.

Also "no data" doesnt mean deductive reasoning doesnt apply also when it comes to how someone portrays themselves "no data" can mean a whole lot actually. And it usually isn't positive. Everything already spoke for itself.

I think you reducing my clear-cut reasoning to "pretend" is very rude but I know you didn't mean it to upset me so I will try not to reason with you based off of that. But I think that was an unfair and very inaccurate assessment of the conversations that have taken place here

Your subjective thoughts would be how you think that people think a certain way without ever mentioning anything regarding the matter. Nothing rude about that, and that was a fact. With your reasoning about no data can "mean a lot", in this particular case could then be assumed that everyone that has not responded to this thread lacks empathy and not feeling remorse which of course would be silly, I think you could agree with that. Just because someone doesn't agree with his political views doesn't mean that they don't feel empathy for him being shot and killed, but it also might. That's why I said your opinion might be correct. It is however still an opinion and opinions are subjective by nature. And I do think putting words in other peoples mouths are more rude than anything I've said in this thread, which also happens to be subjective as I'm sure you don't feel the same way.

 

[Yin]

Your subjective thoughts would be how you think that people think a certain way without ever mentioning anything regarding the matter. Nothing rude about that, and that was a fact. With your reasoning about no data can "mean a lot", in this particular case could then be assumed that everyone that has not responded to this thread lacks empathy and not feeling remorse which of course would be silly, I think you could agree with that. Just because someone doesn't agree with his political views doesn't mean that they don't feel empathy for him being shot and killed, but it also might. That's why I said your opinion might be correct. It is however still an opinion and opinions are subjective by nature. And I do think putting words in other peoples mouths are more rude than anything I've said in this thread, which also happens to be subjective as I'm sure you don't feel the same way.

I think you're confusing observation with opinion and based on what I observed is how I come to a conclusion. Nothing I have stated was an opinion. "This is whwt I observed" is not an opinon. I'm not putting words in anyone's mouths as I haven't said anyone said anything they haven't said on top of the fact that in my previous post I blatantly stated this, which you quoted, and I quote "no data can mean a lot". It is literally the lack thereof. So saying that I put words in anyone's mouth which I haven't is more pretend, the very defintion of it, than what you said was pretend on my end.

Any example I gave wasn't a literal example of what they said it was the stemming action attached to it which is why I said to begin with not saying anything says a lot. Not to be confused with anything anyone said or didn't say. Let's also not confuse that.

The example of people not responding to this thread pales in comparison to what I have already stated. That is called a strawman argument. And I wouldn't go that low.

You still didn't point out any opinions I have made because I didn't make any.

And no. I agree. Putting words in other people's mouths is rude. That's why I didn't do it. But you did.

 

[Hunty]

I hate to break it to you, @Yin, but a majority of the users on this site are considered Liberal or Democrats. This isn't the best site to have Republican views on, in my personal opinion opinion. Most of the staff are also from Europe, which makes them automatically liberals.

 

[Yin]

I hate to break it to you, @Yin, but a majority of the users on this site are considered Liberal or Democrats. This isn't the best site to have Republican views on, in my personal opinion opinion. Most of the staff are also from Europe, which makes them automatically liberals.

I understand that. I don't have republican views. I believe both (all) parties are equally flawed fundamentally. I lost hope in politics a long time ago as no one in a position of power cares about the people and when we try to get someone in a position of power that are for the people... Well... History has told the tale of what happens.

I don't believe in politics I believe in people themselves. If thats right I go right if its left I go left. But politics is just a silly game of power.

I feel like I expressed it well but maybe I am being misunderstood in the position I am coming from.

 

[Zise]

I think you're confusing observation with opinion and based on what I observed is how I come to a conclusion. Nothing I have stated was an opinion. "This is whwt I observed" is not an opinon. I'm not putting words in anyone's mouths as I haven't said anyone said anything they haven't said on top of the fact that in my previous post I blatantly stated this, which you quoted, and I quote "no data can mean a lot". It is literally the lack thereof. So saying that I put words in anyone's mouth which I haven't is more pretend, the very defintion of it, than what you said was pretend on my end.

Any example I gave wasn't a literal example of what they said it was the stemming action attached to it which is why I said to begin with not saying anything says a lot. Not to be confused with anything anyone said or didn't say. Let's also not confuse that.

The example of people not responding to this thread pales in comparison to what I have already stated. That is called a strawman argument. And I wouldn't go that low.

You still didn't point out any opinions I have made because I didn't make any.

And no. I agree. Putting words in other people's mouths is rude. That's why I didn't do it. But you did.

We observed the same thread, and objectively speaking there is not enough data to draw the conclusions you have that is what makes it... just an opinion by definition. Just because you feel a certain way doesn't make it true.

And to clarify, you said "I guess what this means to you guys is not feeling remorse. Because that is what it is being equated to and its disgusting, really." This is what I mean with putting words in other peoples mouths, nobody said anything for you to draw this conclusion.

As a thought experiment in an aspect A can be better than B, B can be better than C and C can be better than A. This is a non-transitive relationship, it doesn't follow a traditional order but it's possible... just think of the game rock paper scissors. It's very common to fall in a trap thinking that because you observed A is better than B and B is better than C therefor A must be better than C, as that would be a more natural order. E.g 3 > 2 > 1.

And when it comes to observing the lack of data I can give another example. Just because some nutjob doesn't believe the world is round, doesn't automatically make them believe the world is flat. They could simply believe it's a cube. Would that be considered an opinion or a fact though?

Either way we are not going to agree with each other and that's ok. Enough derailing of this thread anyway.

 

[Yin]

We observed the same thread, and objectively speaking there is not enough data to draw the conclusions you have that is what makes it... just an opinion by definition. Just because you feel a certain way doesn't make it true.

And to clarify, you said "I guess what this means to you guys is not feeling remorse. Because that is what it is being equated to and its disgusting, really." This is what I mean with putting words in other peoples mouths, nobody said anything for you to draw this conclusion.

As a thought experiment in an aspect A can be better than B, B can be better than C and C can be better than A. This is a non-transitive relationship, it doesn't follow a traditional order but it's possible... just think of the game rock paper scissors. It's very common to fall in a trap thinking that because you observed A is better than B and B is better than C therefor A must be better than C, as that would be a more natural order. E.g 3 > 2 > 1.

And when it comes to observing the lack of data I can give another example. Just because some nutjob doesn't believe the world is round, doesn't automatically make them believe the world is flat. They could simply believe it's a cube. Would that be considered an opinion or a fact though?

Either way we are not going to agree with each other and that's ok. Enough derailing of this thread anyway.

I covered all this already. I'm willing to digress. No hard feelings.

 

[Zise]

I just read that they released the suspect that they arrested earlier. The guy that did it surely can't get away with it.