[NEWS] Conservative Influencer Charlie Kirk Shooting

[-Blade-]

Charlie Kirk Says Gun Deaths ‘Unfortunately’ Worth it to Keep 2nd Amendment.​

I don’t support his views at all.

Yeah let's put the proper context to that quote...

"You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's drivel. But I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational."

Anyone that owns a firearm believes this whether they want to admit it or not.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Doesn't matter. A man died and death didn't fit the punishment of what you did and didn't agree with.

It's disgusting. Logically he died proving why the 2nd amendment should be upheld. There is danger all around us. And anything can happen at any moment.

Its disgusting that that is your only sentiments on the matter. Get real. They have far worse people deserving of getting shot dead in the streets where the punishment actually fits the crime but because he said things you simply didn't agree with, you're okay with him dying. Cool story. Makes sense.

He didn't deserve to get killed for his ideas, rest in peace, but don't you see the irony in this? His death may have been prevented and yet he intentionally got in the way of policies that could have prevented his death and the deaths of so many others. I think it's wrong to not extend empathy but I'm not surprised that people are not willing to.

 

[Yin]

He didn't deserve to get killed for his ideas, rest in peace, but don't you see the irony in this? His death may have been prevented and yet he intentionally got in the way of policies that could have prevented his death and the deaths of so many others. I think it's wrong to not extend empathy but I'm not surprised that people are not willing to.

I am surprised considering its usually the same people that are so "loving", "caring" and "accepting" who were againt his views. Which by default would make them hypocritical. Yeah okay. Death occurs no matter what. Literally There are stabbings and way more brutal murders in parts of the world where there is minimal access to guns if any at all. People think solely guns are the issue and they're not. People are the issue. I don't understand the sheer hatred. That is all. But I see what you're saying. Maybe I have too much good in my heart to just hate on people I don't agree with. Especially during their death. That's a very cold, evil and inhumane things and I'm none of those 3 things.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

I am surprised considering its usually the same people that are so "loving", "caring" and "accepting" who were againt his views. Which by default would make them hypocritical. Yeah okay. Death occurs no matter what. Literally There are stabbings and way more brutal murders in parts of the world where there is minimal access to guns if any at all. People think solely guns are the issue and they're not. People are the issue. I don't understand the sheer hatred. That is all. But I see what you're saying. Maybe I have too much good in my heart to just hate on people I don't agree with. Especially during their death.

If someone had a knife today and ran at Charlie, I think there is a much greater chance he'd still be alive. Banning guns doesn't solve murders absolutely but it would definitely reduce the numbers of them. Okay, maybe you can look at the people, and say "It's not the guns, it's the leftists who are evil and mentally ill", your definition of leftist would probably include millions of Americans, if so, why would you want them to have easy access to guns? You think if they're armed, and you're armed, then the solution is to fight it out and that will be the better outcome?

That's a very cold, evil and inhumane things and I'm none of those 3 things.

I respect that, sadly things are probably gonna get worse from here so I hope you can maintain that outlook.

 

[Yin]

If someone had a knife today and ran at Charlie, I think there is a much greater chance he'd still be alive. Banning guns doesn't solve murders absolutely but it would definitely reduce the numbers of them. Okay, maybe you can look at the people, and say "It's not the guns, it's the leftists who are evil and mentally ill", your definition of leftist would probably include millions of Americans, if so, why would you want them to have easy access to guns? You think if they're armed, and you're armed, then the solution is to fight it out and that will be the better outcome?

I respect that, sadly things are probably gonna get worse from here so I hope you can maintain that outlook.

I never mentioned leftist its just people on that side, coincidentally. Thats why I mentioned the whole loving and caring bs. None of that is loving OR caring but I digress. No I do not think mentally ill people should own guns but of course people on the left side should have them. I don't classify them all as mentally ill. Never have. Thats an unfair generalization as there is bad or "mentally ill" on both sides. I'll reiterate that this goes deeper than politics. Politics don't mean squat.

I will most certainly maintain that outlook without being stepped on. Hopefully that's not what was implied. It is my job to love everyone but not let evil outshine goodness. That is not my calling.

 

[Never]

I think the people of "that side" are mostly loving and caring or else they wouldn't be on that side, they also know empathy but can see the irony in what took place. They also are probably sick of the amount of people who aren't loving and caring having a huge platform and spreading hate.

What happened is disgusting and shouldn't have happened, he was a father of two kids; but he did advocate for his own demise all the way to the end. RIP. I am worried about the consequences this will have after, it's like poking a sleeping way more violent bear.

 

[Rohan]

Charlie Kirk Says Gun Deaths ‘Unfortunately’ Worth it to Keep 2nd Amendment.​

I don’t support his views at all.

He got what was coming for him.

 

[Caliburn]

Good, goooood...let the hate flow through you. We haven't a controversial debate in years.

Anyway, I doubt anything will change. In the current climate, it will just make both sides triple down on their own beliefs resulting in even more polarization.

That doesn't take away that there's a strong sense of irony present in all of this.

 

[Sinthorus]

It's fitting that a heated debate breaks out in a thread about a man who was assassinated who was famous for his debates.... Mad how the world works.

Like him or not, it's still a tragic end for a father of two and a husband.

 

[Lucidus]

It's fitting that a heated debate breaks out in a thread about a man who was assassinated who was famous for his debates.... Mad how the world works.

Like him or not, it's still a tragic end for a father of two and a husband.

Exactly right, I can't say I agree with him on anything, but to be thankful for someone's death just for giving their opinion is wild. This will just fan the flames further, it will solve nothing, and it will just cause certain people to struggle more from this point due to push back.

No one wins here.

Kids now need to grow up without a father, and a single mother now needs to support them. Its not something to be happy about

 

[Never]

Good, goooood...let the hate flow through you. We haven't a controversial debate in years.

Anyway, I doubt anything will change. In the current climate, it will just make both sides triple down on their own beliefs resulting in even more polarization.

That doesn't take away that there's a strong sense of irony present in all of this.

Well that's one thing at least as change would just tarnish his legacy after all.

I'm more worried about retaliatory attacks against other political figures/speakers. I mean two Dems were murdered not too long ago by a maga crazy and now the Republicans don't think it's funny anymore.

 

[Reborn]

My first post in years, how refreshing.

There is a bigger conversation I haven't been seeing in many places that I think needs attention. It is about the ramifications and backlash that this event could and potentially will have for the most vulnerable populations in the US. This was a clear, premeditated act of political violence against a prominent figure in the conservative movement. During a time and in an administration that is already pushing the rhetoric of rampant lawlessness as a way to justify increased militarization and the breaching of citizens' rights, this is gasoline on an already roaring fire.

While I do not have any empathy for this man, I extend it to a wife who lost a husband and children who lost a father. I don't think he deserved this, but will not pretend it isn't ironic. What the people "celebrating" and making memes are missing is that Kirk is now, quite literally a martyr for an already radical regime. My greatest concern in all of this is how Kirk's death will likely become another weapon to be used against US citizens. It is only 2025, we still have 3 more years.

 

[Caliburn]

Well that's one thing at least as change would just tarnish his legacy after all.

I'm more worried about retaliatory attacks against other political figures/speakers. I mean two Dems were murdered not too long ago by a maga crazy and now the Republicans don't think it's funny anymore.

Well, the root cause is that someone's in charge who has created this kind of environment and has been fueling it intentionally for nearly a decade. If you storm and sack the Capitol because you don't like the results of a democratic election and you can get away with it, then the lesson learned here is that if they can get away with that, why should others play nice?

My first post in years, how refreshing.

There is a bigger conversation I haven't been seeing in many places that I think needs attention. It is about the ramifications and backlash that this event could and potentially will have for the most vulnerable populations in the US. This was a clear, premeditated act of political violence against a prominent figure in the conservative movement. During a time and in an administration that is already pushing the rhetoric of rampant lawlessness as a way to justify increased militarization and the breaching of citizens' rights, this is gasoline on an already roaring fire.

While I do not have any empathy for this man, I extend it to a wife who lost a husband and children who lost a father. I don't think he deserved this, but will not pretend it isn't ironic. What the people "celebrating" and making memes are missing is that Kirk is now, quite literally a martyr for an already radical regime. My greatest concern in all of this is how Kirk's death will likely become another weapon to be used against US citizens. It is only 2025, we still have 3 more years.

You should change your name to Reanimated.

It's still not clear who shot him and what the exact motivations were, which will have a huge impact on how this incident will be perceived. In the end though something like this was bound to happen sooner or later.

If you learn that acting virtuous will get you nothing, and that others who play dirty can get away with it, why should you hold back? Especially in a social media dominated landscape where digital chaos spreads faster than any kind of roaring fire.

 

[Lucidus]

My first post in years, how refreshing.

There is a bigger conversation I haven't been seeing in many places that I think needs attention. It is about the ramifications and backlash that this event could and potentially will have for the most vulnerable populations in the US. This was a clear, premeditated act of political violence against a prominent figure in the conservative movement. During a time and in an administration that is already pushing the rhetoric of rampant lawlessness as a way to justify increased militarization and the breaching of citizens' rights, this is gasoline on an already roaring fire.

While I do not have any empathy for this man, I extend it to a wife who lost a husband and children who lost a father. I don't think he deserved this, but will not pretend it isn't ironic. What the people "celebrating" and making memes are missing is that Kirk is now, quite literally a martyr for an already radical regime. My greatest concern in all of this is how Kirk's death will likely become another weapon to be used against US citizens. It is only 2025, we still have 3 more years.

This is exactly what I was touching on. This will create an even greater push back to a minority already greatly struggling.

Tragic in all senses of the word.

 

[Reborn]

You should change your name to Reanimated.

Idk, I might go back in the ground after this.

In all seriousness, this guy is a martyr now. No matter what details come out there are going to be people on the far right who stick with the narrative that this was a violent act by liberal/leftists. I heard someone say earlier that he is more useful to the conservative cause now than he was alive. The fact this is getting more coverage than another school shooting that happened on the same day is truly the most tragic part of all this.

 

[Caliburn]

It seems they caught the perpetrator.

 

[Mudo]

My first post in years, how refreshing.

There is a bigger conversation I haven't been seeing in many places that I think needs attention. It is about the ramifications and backlash that this event could and potentially will have for the most vulnerable populations in the US. This was a clear, premeditated act of political violence against a prominent figure in the conservative movement. During a time and in an administration that is already pushing the rhetoric of rampant lawlessness as a way to justify increased militarization and the breaching of citizens' rights, this is gasoline on an already roaring fire.

While I do not have any empathy for this man, I extend it to a wife who lost a husband and children who lost a father. I don't think he deserved this, but will not pretend it isn't ironic. What the people "celebrating" and making memes are missing is that Kirk is now, quite literally a martyr for an already radical regime. My greatest concern in all of this is how Kirk's death will likely become another weapon to be used against US citizens. It is only 2025, we still have 3 more years.

I was saying the other day to a friend that it's hard to believe all of this has really only happened in the first year. For the longest time I've stayed out of politics but the current administration has made it impossible not be concerned with the direction things are heading.

I also read that Ben Shapiro cancelled all of his college campus dates and I don’t blame him.

I won’t be holding my breath for any significant gun control reform to come of this, especially when the school shootings aren’t sparking any change.

 

[Never]

Looks like the shooter was right wing himself (of course).

 

[Lucidus]

It seems they caught the perpetrator.

Looks like the shooter was right wing himself (of course).

I would love to know exactly what the motive was behind it. If it hasn't been said already anyways

 

[Never]

I would love to know exactly what the motive was behind it. If it hasn't been said already anyways

This is rumours, but apparently he believed Kirk wasn't conservative enough. Which is crazy IF true.