Investigation is still pending, but from what I've learned he hasn't voted in the last two presidential elections and neither was he a member of the Democrats nor the Republicans. Apparently, he did wrote messages on his bullets that lean more towards the left, but he also had an obsession with weapons, which tends to be more of a characteristic of the right.
It honestly just looks like someone that didn't fit in well with society and then suddenly saw an 'opportunity' as he had studied at that university.
Not really, alt-right, white supremacists and groypers do believe that the current right party isn't right enough. And violence from a violent side doesn't shock me whatsoever.
Not really, alt-right, white supremacists and groypers do believe that the current right party isn't right enough. And violence from a violent side doesn't shock me whatsoever.
That's not my impression at all. He had anti-fascist messaging on his bullet casings and his memes were left-wing coded.
A groyper, alt-righter, white nationalist, etc. would have killed him (Charlie) for being an ally of Israel, but there was zero antisemitic messaging found on him (the shooter). We know his parents were Republicans and Christians but that doesn't say anything about their son.
That's not my impression at all. He had anti-fascist messaging on his bullet casings and his memes were left-wing coded.
A groyper, alt-righter, white nationalist, etc. would have killed him (Charlie) for being an ally of Israel, but there was zero antisemitic messaging found on him (the shooter). We know his parents were Republicans and Christians but that doesn't say anything about their son.
I heard about the casings, helldiver memes, a furry meme (wild that this was read out on national TV btw) and the catch fascist one? Dude wasn't right for sure. I guess more stuff will come out eventually, like I said it was rumours and whispers. Though it does seem that a lot of Republicans are scrubbing their messages
I'm worried though, the double standard is glaring once again.
I heard about the casings, helldiver memes, a furry meme (wild that this was read out on national TV btw) and the catch fascist one? Dude wasn't right for sure. I guess more stuff will come out eventually, like I said it was rumours and whispers. Though it does seem that a lot of Republicans are scrubbing their messages
I'm worried though, the double standard is glaring once again.
The helldiver meme was used as an anti-fascist message so I would say that indicates a lean to the left, the "furry" meme was "notices bulge owo what's this", which can't really be attributed to furries, the left, or the right, because I've seen every political group on the internet shitpost in that manner before.
You can disagree with Kirk's views and see that shooting someone, especially in a school, is wrong. It's so shocking for him to be gunned down like him. He was so young and his life was cut short so violently out in the open day. It shows how life can be snuffed out so easily. The shooter is again a seemingly normal youngster who decided to throw his bright future away, just like Luigi Mangione. Just a tragic situation overall.
Doesn't matter. A man died and death didn't fit the punishment of what you did and didn't agree with.
It's disgusting. Logically he died proving why the 2nd amendment should be upheld. There is danger all around us. And anything can happen at any moment.
Its disgusting that that is your only sentiments on the matter. Get real. They have far worse people deserving of getting shot dead in the streets where the punishment actually fits the crime but because he said things you simply didn't agree with, you're okay with him dying. Cool story. Makes sense.
Charlie Kirk made his living stoking hatred and dehumanizing sociopolitical minority groups. Kirk's career was dedicated to influencing people to vote for politicians who implement policies that ensure people's access to food, healthcare, and shelter are as limited as can be without just straight up fully revoking those rights all for the sake of the elite class remaining obscenely rich.
Charlie Kirk's death is not an escalation into political violence, and yes he deserved it, because the politics he supported were already inherently violent. Every person in America that dies because they can't afford medicine or medical treatment or food or shelter is a victim of political violence.
Charlie sowed hate and violence his entire career, and it's inevitable that as people get more and more desperate under those conditions they will resort to violence themselves. This is a country that needed a war to end slavery, to pretend that there isn't a point where this is what it takes is naive.
Charlie Kirk completely wrong in pretty much everything he believed about transgender people. His beliefs that gender-affirming care and that the state of being trans were in of themselves harmful ignores that gender-affirming care has been extremely beneficial to the mental health of trans people while conversion therapy has continued to fail for decades at improving lives.
His belief that *** is a biological binary is factually wrong. *** being a binary is how you introduce children to the subject of biology. In reality, we see that *** does not exist as a natural binary. There are people who are otherwise male but are born with ovaries instead of testicles. There are people who are otherwise female, but their ovaries develop into testicles instead. There are hermaphrodites. There are people born with anomalies to their X and Y chromosomes that are inconsistent with the phenotypical expression of their ***. There are animals with the capacity to undergo anatomical transformation into the opposite ***. None of these would be possible if *** existed strictly as a binary in nature.
We have neurological basis for the trans experience as well. The brains of trans people often resemble the *** they identify as in terms of size and structure than it does the *** they were assigned at birth. When men have their penises amputated, they often experience phantom-limb syndrome where the brain "remembers" what stimuli to the penis is supposed to feel like and thus triggers a neurological response despite the organ no longer being present(if something hits you where your penis used to be, the brain can remember what this is supposed to feel like, and you'll feel a sensation of pain for example). Trans women who have had bottom surgery typically do no experience this. Both of these observations suggest that the trans experience has roots in the neurological make up of trans people
His belief that *** is a biological binary is factually wrong. *** being a binary is how you introduce children to the subject of biology. In reality, we see that *** does not exist as a natural binary. There are people who are otherwise male but are born with ovaries instead of testicles. There are people who are otherwise female, but their ovaries develop into testicles instead. There are hermaphrodites. There are people born with anomalies to their X and Y chromosomes that are inconsistent with the phenotypical expression of their ***.
You’re using a genetic disorder that affects roughly 0.018% of the population and of which individuals affected still lean more to one *** than the other to prove binary *** wrong? That’s like using a baby born without a limb to claim humans aren’t supposed to have four limbs……Male and female are still the two dominant categories, with rare variations.
There are animals with the capacity to undergo anatomical transformation into the opposite ***. None of these would be possible if *** existed strictly as a binary in nature.
Correct, there are certain species of animals that can switch ***, but they do so organically, and for a very specific biological function. The small percentage of animals that can do this do it to maximize reproductive success and they can reproduce as either male or female....the same cannot be applied to humans.
There are certain species of animals that can reproduce asexually, but that doesn’t mean we can apply this logic to humans either…unless you believe in Jesus.
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We have neurological basis for the trans experience as well. The brains of trans people often resemble the *** they identify as in terms of size and structure than it does the *** they were assigned at birth.
According to articles I’ve read – transgenders do not have a brain structure that resembles the gender that they identify as, but rather a unique “transgender brain.” It’s also important to point out that brain structure can be influenced by environmental factors, so you cannot definitively say this is a biological marker and more research on the topic is needed.
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When men have their penises amputated, they often experience phantom-limb syndrome where the brain "remembers" what stimuli to the penis is supposed to feel like and thus triggers a neurological response despite the organ no longer being present(if something hits you where your penis used to be, the brain can remember what this is supposed to feel like, and you'll feel a sensation of pain for example). Trans women who have had bottom surgery typically do no experience this. Both of these observations suggest that the trans experience has roots in the neurological make up of trans people
What percentage of trans women that have had bottom surgery do not experience phantom penis? Are you claiming this is universal? Can you source your claim? Because I looked into myself and concluded that about half of trans women do not experience it, but half do....so neurological factors alone don’t explain the trans experience.
I'm not saying your overall premise is wrong, but you could use some better examples. Now let me ask you a question: Do you think biological men should be allowed to compete with women in competitive sports???
Charlie Kirk made his living stoking hatred and dehumanizing sociopolitical minority groups. Kirk's career was dedicated to influencing people to vote for politicians who implement policies that ensure people's access to food, healthcare, and shelter are as limited as can be without just straight up fully revoking those rights all for the sake of the elite class remaining obscenely rich.
He didn't deserve to get killed for his ideas, rest in peace, but don't you see the irony in this? His death may have been prevented and yet he intentionally got in the way of policies that could have prevented his death and the deaths of so many others. I think it's wrong to not extend empathy but I'm not surprised that people are not willing to.
I change my position on this, I think saying "I don't think he should be killed but..." in any capacity is distasteful, and ultimately Charlie's death was an affront to free speech.
You are not affected so far. However, when I see them in even sports and other such women's sphere, pushing out women in the corner then my sympathy dies. I do understand the problem they face and we should be considerate and accommodating, but it should not be on cost of women.
And I'm aghast when I find a 4 year old is being prepped for transition already. He might as well be a test subject. The scope of abuse and exploitation is so high in such fields- and there are always some greedy doctors who would profit on this business, whether procedures were needed or not or whether it really works or not.
This topic simply keeps making me mad at both sides alternatively and I don't want to stress myself more.
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Indian subcontinent has recognized transgenders as third gender since ancient times. That's not to say picture is rosy. They faced discrimination too and things needed to improve much, but they were not persecuted like in the West. Not even in Islamic dynasties here- Middle East reacts differently from what I read in news. But Persian poetry and fiction used homosexual relationships as examples of moral and even spiritual love. Not talking about the book or scriptures but, Muslim culture- that came here seemed to treat homosexuality with indifference.
It was not until British law homosexuality became a crime. Now that section is abolished.
You are not affected so far. However, when I see them in even sports and other such women's sphere, pushing out women in the corner then my sympathy dies. I do understand the problem they face and we should be considerate and accommodating, but it should not be on cost of women.
And I'm aghast when I find a 4 year old is being prepped for transition already. He might as well be a test subject. The scope of abuse and exploitation is so high in such fields- and there are always some greedy doctors who would profit on this business, whether procedures were needed or not or whether it really works or not.
This topic simply keeps making me mad at both sides alternatively and I don't want to stress myself more.
Note:
Indian subcontinent has recognized transgenders as third gender since ancient times. That's not to say picture is rosy. They faced discrimination too and things needed to improve much, but they were not persecuted like in the West. Not even in Islamic dynasties here- Middle East reacts differently from what I read in news. But Persian poetry and fiction used homosexual relationships as examples of moral and even spiritual love. Not talking about the book or scriptures but, Muslim culture- that came here seemed to treat homosexuality with indifference.
It was not until British law homosexuality became a crime. Now that section is abolished.
Charlie Kirk made his living stoking hatred and dehumanizing sociopolitical minority groups. Kirk's career was dedicated to influencing people to vote for politicians who implement policies that ensure people's access to food, healthcare, and shelter are as limited as can be without just straight up fully revoking those rights all for the sake of the elite class remaining obscenely rich.
Charlie Kirk's death is not an escalation into political violence, and yes he deserved it, because the politics he supported were already inherently violent. Every person in America that dies because they can't afford medicine or medical treatment or food or shelter is a victim of political violence.
Charlie sowed hate and violence his entire career, and it's inevitable that as people get more and more desperate under those conditions they will resort to violence themselves. This is a country that needed a war to end slavery, to pretend that there isn't a point where this is what it takes is naive.
Rot in hell, Charlie Kirk, wish it was sooner
Charlie Kirk completely wrong in pretty much everything he believed about transgender people. His beliefs that gender-affirming care and that the state of being trans were in of themselves harmful ignores that gender-affirming care has been extremely beneficial to the mental health of trans people while conversion therapy has continued to fail for decades at improving lives.
His belief that *** is a biological binary is factually wrong. *** being a binary is how you introduce children to the subject of biology. In reality, we see that *** does not exist as a natural binary. There are people who are otherwise male but are born with ovaries instead of testicles. There are people who are otherwise female, but their ovaries develop into testicles instead. There are hermaphrodites. There are people born with anomalies to their X and Y chromosomes that are inconsistent with the phenotypical expression of their ***. There are animals with the capacity to undergo anatomical transformation into the opposite ***. None of these would be possible if *** existed strictly as a binary in nature.
We have neurological basis for the trans experience as well. The brains of trans people often resemble the *** they identify as in terms of size and structure than it does the *** they were assigned at birth. When men have their penises amputated, they often experience phantom-limb syndrome where the brain "remembers" what stimuli to the penis is supposed to feel like and thus triggers a neurological response despite the organ no longer being present(if something hits you where your penis used to be, the brain can remember what this is supposed to feel like, and you'll feel a sensation of pain for example). Trans women who have had bottom surgery typically do no experience this. Both of these observations suggest that the trans experience has roots in the neurological make up of trans people
You’re using a genetic disorder that affects roughly 0.018% of the population and of which individuals affected still lean more to one *** than the other to prove binary *** wrong? That’s like using a baby born without a limb to claim humans aren’t supposed to have four limbs……Male and female are still the two dominant categories, with rare variations.
You misunderstood me. It's not a matter of "humans are supposed to," the reality is that it happens. Using your analogy of a baby being born with a limb missing, my point would be that this means that it is possible for humans to be born with fewer than four limbs, and therefore humans having four limbs is not the only way it occurs in nature.
The state of being transgender follows the same principle. You can say people are supposed to be either male or female, but nature varies from that binary and therefore that binary doesn't strictly exist in nature.
Correct, there are certain species of animals that can switch ***, but they do so organically, and for a very specific biological function. The small percentage of animals that can do this do it to maximize reproductive success and they can reproduce as either male or female....the same cannot be applied to humans.
This doesn't make the experience of being trans invalid. Pointing out that there are animals that switch their *** just establishes that the idea that altering your *** is affront to nature is incorrect.
According to articles I’ve read – transgenders do not have a brain structure that resembles the gender that they identify as, but rather a unique “transgender brain.” It’s also important to point out that brain structure can be influenced by environmental factors, so you cannot definitively say this is a biological marker and more research on the topic is needed.
"Their results, published in 2013, showed that even before treatment the brain structures of the trans people were more similar in some respects to the brains of their experienced gender than those of their natal gender."
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"They found that the adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded much like peers of their experienced gender. The results were less clear with the prepubertal children."
Which is what I pointed out. Their brain structures tend to be closer to their identified *** than their natal ***.
What percentage of trans women that have had bottom surgery do not experience phantom penis? Are you claiming this is universal? Can you source your claim? Because I looked into myself and concluded that about half of trans women do not experience it, but half do....so neurological factors alone don’t explain the trans experience.
I didn't say neurological factors alone explains the trans experience. I said the fact that we can observe neurological correlations with being trans suggests that the experience has a root in neurology.
I'm not saying your overall premise is wrong, but you could use some better examples. Now let me ask you a question: Do you think biological men should be allowed to compete with women in competitive sports???
I don't see it as any different than letting Lebron play basketball with people he has naturally longer arms than. We've seen trans athletes be outperformed by their cis counterparts time and time again, and trans athletes also under hormonal therapy that alters the physical state of their bodies; they have to be tested when competing to verify that their hormonal levels are within a certain threshold of their cis counterparts.
And I'm aghast when I find a 4 year old is being prepped for transition already. He might as well be a test subject. The scope of abuse and exploitation is so high in such fields- and there are always some greedy doctors who would profit on this business, whether procedures were needed or not or whether it really works or not.
What four year olds are you talking about? Gender affirming surgery and hormone treatment are preceded by extensive psychological and medical evaluation with the patient to ensure that's the best course forward for their condition.
Children generally do not get approved for that level of affirming care aside from very rare cases where those extensive evaluations conclude the child's dysphoria is so severe that the child harming themselves is an immediate concern.
I see I am the minority here. (No pun intended since I am Mexican). But I was a huge fan of Charlies. I liked the message he held and appreciated the sincerity he gave.
Kind of a poor forum for a remembrance post. I think a political site or a personal page could have been best. A spot for Roleplay & Entertainment where the whole survival of the site is comradery may not have been the best choice. lol
From my understanding that is inaccurate. But the political beliefs the shooter may or may not have had is not really the issue here. the "Of Course" mention at the end was un-needed.
The suggestion that conservatives are more likely to commit a violent crime over a non-conservative is a terrible Bias. People that commit these atrocities are not well. And blaming a political party for any 1-person's action is just a heinous misuse of judgement.
Both parties have people in them that do atrocious stuff. So anyone that is talking in this forum and is pointing fingers at the other party are not helping anything.
Instead of trying to lay blame on others you actually talk to your friends talk about specific policies. Try to understand why that person likes that policy or not. And do some research together using source material. NOT Social Media or Biased Articles.
Then maybe at the end you do not agree but can understand why those around you take those stances.
This is just my opinion not common I know. But working together solves more than pride & prejudice creating a divide.
You are not affected so far. However, when I see them in even sports and other such women's sphere, pushing out women in the corner then my sympathy dies. I do understand the problem they face and we should be considerate and accommodating, but it should not be on cost of women.
And I'm aghast when I find a 4 year old is being prepped for transition already. He might as well be a test subject. The scope of abuse and exploitation is so high in such fields- and there are always some greedy doctors who would profit on this business, whether procedures were needed or not or whether it really works or not.
This topic simply keeps making me mad at both sides alternatively and I don't want to stress myself more.
Note:
Indian subcontinent has recognized transgenders as third gender since ancient times. That's not to say picture is rosy. They faced discrimination too and things needed to improve much, but they were not persecuted like in the West. Not even in Islamic dynasties here- Middle East reacts differently from what I read in news. But Persian poetry and fiction used homosexual relationships as examples of moral and even spiritual love. Not talking about the book or scriptures but, Muslim culture- that came here seemed to treat homosexuality with indifference.
It was not until British law homosexuality became a crime. Now that section is abolished.
Towards your note there, I agree with your post in its entirety but I believe you are misinformed. LGBT groups are not persecuted in America at all. They have gathering, parades, they have an entire month dedicated to them, so on and so forth. No one in this country is persecuted for anything. Black slaves were persecuted in America and thats as far as that goes. People in the LGBTQ+ community have freedom like anyone else. If anything its the opposite. They're allowed to marry, people get fired from jobs due to "hate speech" used against certain groups, etc. They are far from persecuted. There's a lot of people who don't agree with them pushing their beliefs onto children and what have you but thats less persecution and more of what parents are allowed to pick what is and isnt around THEIR children. They're not a snuffed out minority or anything. Youre allowed to be gay and proud here. And there is nothing wrong with that but yeah saying theyre persecuted here is inaccurate.
Towards your note there, I agree with your post in its entirety but I believe you are misinformed. LGBT groups are not persecuted in America at all. They have gathering, parades, they have an entire month dedicated to them, so on and so forth. No one in this country is persecuted for anything. Black slaves were persecuted in America and thats as far as that goes. People in the LGBTQ+ community have freedom like anyone else. If anything its the opposite. They're allowed to marry, people get fired from jobs due to "hate speech" used against certain groups, etc. They are far from persecuted. There's a lot of people who don't agree with them pushing their beliefs onto children and what have you but thats less persecution and more of what parents are allowed to pick what is and isnt around THEIR children. They're not a snuffed out minority or anything. Youre allowed to be gay and proud here. And there is nothing wrong with that but yeah saying theyre persecuted here is inaccurate.
