Chakra control: Explaining why Sakura was/is superior in this aspect.
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You are correct for the sig. She shouldn't have been nice to please you Naruto/Sasuke fanboys, and should've just stated:
Sakura >> Naruto and Sasuke in regards to chakra control.
Bijuu cloaks only appear due to Kurama's chakra.. Naruto has no feat in that. When Naruto shows the feat that he can transfer his non-bijuu chakra to someone.. then you should compare him to Sakura.. who does this casually.
Your best argument is rasengan.. which got literally shat on by the chakra control she uses for her punches. And that ain't even the end.. her taking that poison out of Kankuro's body while manipulating the chakra and being careful about it also shat on anything about Naruto in regards to his techniques.
Tsunade's chakra control >> Kakashi's... are you gonna says Kakashi >>> Tsunade because he can control lightening ?? rofl.
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Madara Uzumaki Uchiha
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The thing is, there are many things related to chakra that kishi hasnot gone into detail explaining.
If you say sakura has better chakra control, you need to specify exactly what that means because kishi was very vague in the manga, because as of now their are aspects of chakra that Naruto is better than sakura at. Whether you DECIDE TO LABEL IT UNDER CHAKRA CONTROL OR NOT ITS DEBATABLE.
It's been stated that Sakura has reached the "pinnacle of chakra control" and considering that, well of course Naruto cannot surpass her.- that's what pinnacle means. What we as readers have to try and understand is what falls under chakra control. - If we consider what has been blatantly stated by the manga, that chakra control boils down to simply precision + timing, than sakura and tsunade are obviously at the pinnacle because of how precise (cellular ) and timing (perfect) they are.
However the problem lies into how to classify things like nature transformation and shape transformation- and for Naruto combining the two. I would like to think that nature and shape transformation count as chakra control because in my opinion like the name implies chakra control should cover all areas that involve controlling ones chakra.-(Now, this has not been explicitly said but it should be obvious, that nature and shape manipulation are harder ( more advanced) than precision/timing because ninja learn chakra control first and then nature/space transformation. For example, I would say that Juubito has the best shown "control "because he has shown the best nature/shape manipulation in the manga. And in my opinion ( again considering that first ninja learn chakra control then nature/shape manipulation) it is more impressive to make a chakra change shape/nature.
CONCLUSION
So, when comparing Naruto to Sakura and their chakra control it really depends on how you want to classify their abilities. Technically, all we can prove ( using scanlations) is that chakra control is precision/timing, in that case Sakura has better control. However, if you want to be more precise you can simply say this:
Sakura is better at chakra control but Naruto is better at nature and shape manipulation.
Now to compare: How both characters control their Chakra
1) Sakura and tsunade are known as the best at chakra control
2) Naruto is the best at shape manipulation ( reached the pinnacle ) and arguably nature manipulation ( stated he was the best wind user in the SA) That's not even the most impressive part, Naruto combined the world's best shape manipulation and nature manipulation together.
Note: (Not counting Juubito cause he is a demi-god ) or (kekei genkei because we don't know enough about combining elements)
So if you want a technical definition you could argue that Sakura is tied for having the worlds best chakra control while Naruto has the best shape manipulation and nature manipulation.- So it all comes down to if you believe shape/nature manipulation is a part of " chakra control' or not.
If you say sakura has better chakra control, you need to specify exactly what that means because kishi was very vague in the manga, because as of now their are aspects of chakra that Naruto is better than sakura at. Whether you DECIDE TO LABEL IT UNDER CHAKRA CONTROL OR NOT ITS DEBATABLE.
It's been stated that Sakura has reached the "pinnacle of chakra control" and considering that, well of course Naruto cannot surpass her.- that's what pinnacle means. What we as readers have to try and understand is what falls under chakra control. - If we consider what has been blatantly stated by the manga, that chakra control boils down to simply precision + timing, than sakura and tsunade are obviously at the pinnacle because of how precise (cellular ) and timing (perfect) they are.
However the problem lies into how to classify things like nature transformation and shape transformation- and for Naruto combining the two. I would like to think that nature and shape transformation count as chakra control because in my opinion like the name implies chakra control should cover all areas that involve controlling ones chakra.-(Now, this has not been explicitly said but it should be obvious, that nature and shape manipulation are harder ( more advanced) than precision/timing because ninja learn chakra control first and then nature/space transformation. For example, I would say that Juubito has the best shown "control "because he has shown the best nature/shape manipulation in the manga. And in my opinion ( again considering that first ninja learn chakra control then nature/shape manipulation) it is more impressive to make a chakra change shape/nature.
CONCLUSION
So, when comparing Naruto to Sakura and their chakra control it really depends on how you want to classify their abilities. Technically, all we can prove ( using scanlations) is that chakra control is precision/timing, in that case Sakura has better control. However, if you want to be more precise you can simply say this:
Sakura is better at chakra control but Naruto is better at nature and shape manipulation.
Now to compare: How both characters control their Chakra
1) Sakura and tsunade are known as the best at chakra control
2) Naruto is the best at shape manipulation ( reached the pinnacle ) and arguably nature manipulation ( stated he was the best wind user in the SA) That's not even the most impressive part, Naruto combined the world's best shape manipulation and nature manipulation together.
Note: (Not counting Juubito cause he is a demi-god ) or (kekei genkei because we don't know enough about combining elements)
So if you want a technical definition you could argue that Sakura is tied for having the worlds best chakra control while Naruto has the best shape manipulation and nature manipulation.- So it all comes down to if you believe shape/nature manipulation is a part of " chakra control' or not.
KingHashirama
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You have couple of things confused.
Sakura doesn't do nature manipulation, because she doesn't have to nor was she trained in it. As for Transformation.. you have to transform your chakra to give it to others.. Sakura did it with Darui casually... Naruto can do it on a higher level due to it being the Bijuu's chakra.. but can he do it with his base chakra?
Shape manipulation.. i hope you know that shape manipulation doesn't = making circles.. Sakura manipulating the shape of the antidote in the below picture is shape manipulation.. Naruto can't do that with an antidote/liquid..
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Difference between Sakura and Naruto/Sasuke is the boys need to train.. Sakura doesn't.
I mean with the logic Naruto wankers use for this.. Sasuke controlling Susanoo (pure chakra) automatically puts him above Naruto.
He is giving away chakra that can be given away like that..
Chatte compared the situations wrong. Naruto giving away chakra = Tsunade giving chakra to onoki, Sakura giving chakra to Darui.....
Also, Sakura gives away her own chakra.. Naruto has only shown to give away Kurama's chakra.
For the Katsuyu situation.. that something on a whole another level than anything Naruto has done in regards to supporting. She is actually healing people through katsuyu, controlling the her chakra in katsuyu for how much the each injury needs. Naruto is not even close in that regards.
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My point exactly, that event occur way after receiving the power of Kurama, genius...
Why don't you go try proving Naruto performed 2 Natural-chakra Rasengans, without clones while he was inside Gamabunta's mouth??
Oh wait, i already proved you wrong...
LOL!!! You are so right!!!
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As I said before, Naruto did rasengan without clones the first time he mastered Rasengan
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. He chose to use clones because they made it easier and faster to make the rasengan and he could use the clone as a distraction.Don't have to be a fan of Naruto or Sasuke to believe Naruto has better chakra control. Kurama said he modified his chakra then handied to Naruto and Cei, a Sensor said it was Kurama then said no it's Naruto's.
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So Naruto was handing out his chakra that he would transform to suit other types. Transforming chakra is what Physical recomposition is except you're changing it to match a person's chakra. Kurama said he'll explain how to do it to Naruto
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and he compared Naruto to Minato and Kushina, both who weren't perfect Jinchuurikis. Clearly Naruto's base doesn't have enough chakra to power up the alliance so why would he do it with his own? And what would be the differences of knowing how to change chakra using a modified chakra that was made to resemble yours and using your regular amount? Kurama even said it's the same method Minato used.How did the rasengan argument get shat on by the control Sakura use for her punch when Kakashi only said she couldn't do it without precise chakra control yet called base rasengan extremely advance chakra control. Tsunade even said the FRS was " an impossibly fine attack that causes damage on a cellular level..."
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. Also included that it probably takes the wind chakra and use shape manipulation to change it to countless small blades that attack all the cells in the body
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, it's something even her healing can't heal
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. Both Yin seal and FRS are S ranked and both tanks high chakra control but this was FRS at about 50% the power
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Naruto's base rasengan was called extremely advanced spatial recomposition/shape manipulation so wouldn't that make all of Naruto's more powerful Rasengans even more advance? FRS at about 50% was said to make countless small blades by using shape manipulations on the wind chakra to attack each cell in the body, that's a cellular attack and it's completely chakra control. What do you think FRS at 100% chakra control is like? or the Oodama chou FRS?
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That's chakra control at a cellular level.You seem to forget that Naruto learned to use his chakra precisely in part 1. Or do you not know what the walking on water was meant for (
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Pa toad stated that it was near impossible to learn how to keep spiritual, physical and natural energy all balanced
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. Shikaku even said Naruto was on another level while in SM and he was the smartest ninja alive at that time (until he died) so why would anyone compare Naruto's chakra control to hers when she's not even the best in the world, Neji and Tsunade shown more impressive chakra control or can you name anyone other than Neji to open all chakra points, can increase or decrease a ninja's chakra flow and used his chakra control to break out of Kisame's water prison.REad my about replies for what I think about Rasengans and it's variations.
Not going to get too much into this again, bit nice thread Chatte. Everyone's jumping the gun, their definition of chakra control may very well not be Kishi's. We have to realize that the quality of chakra did not change, hell it didn't even transform. All of the Shinobi's are utilizing the Kyuubi's cloak. Naruto changes the chakra type so that it matches the recipients. How does he do this? I don't know. Does it fit Kishi's definition chakra control? It's not all that clear. The chakra itself didn't lose any of its properties, it's the same... chakra...
Sakura actually change the properties of her own chakra to produce medical chakra.
Naruto somehow makes that same chakra compatible with others. Excellent feat nonetheless.
Sakura actually change the properties of her own chakra to produce medical chakra.
Naruto somehow makes that same chakra compatible with others. Excellent feat nonetheless.
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KingHashirama
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It does not matter who was handing out the chakra.. the issue is who the chakra belongs to, and the type of chakra. Bijuu chakra is different from Human chakra... especially the 9-tails. Take out Kurama, Naruto can't do it with his own chakra.. hence why you can't compare it to Sakura who does something more complicated with her own chakra. Also the difference is that you guys have overrated the technique Naruto used by saying he did it for the whole alliance. Not to mention that he gave out the chakra freely.. no timing or amount was shown. He was simply giving out chakra.. how can you take that feat as chakra control and compare it to a feat where exact amount of chakra is needed..?
The Rasengan argument got shat on when NO ONE commented that Naruto now has awesome chakra control, nor did anyone comment on Rasengan fitting BOTH criteria of chakra control (The amount and timing). Notice that Naruto had to repeatedly train for that technique.. he isn't the only one who can do a technique like that.. Kabuto can do Chakra salpals.. Sasuke can do Chidori, Asuma can transfer chakra to the Kunais. The difference is that Naruto can't focus his chakra on his feet anytime he wants and make himself faster.. Nor has he shown to control the amount of chakra he gives away. You are saying 1 technique makes him superior to others in chakra control.. when chakra control is not about a single technique.
Also, sakura can focus ALL of her chakra to 1 point of the body.. Naruto can't...
FRS does cellular level damage.. it doesn't mean you control chakra itself at an cellular level.... damn man.
If you believe walking on water = precise chakra control perfection.. then i suggest rereading the manga about chakra control. And how even unnamed shinobi we are really weak can walk on water..
With SM he got the balance down, after training hard as hell.. while Sakura already has it down as a Natural talent. Only problem is she hasn't learned how to attain Nature energy. Its the same scenario again.. if Sakura and Naruto both learned it.. Sakura would be the one who would get it down first. Shikaku commented in regards to power....
Sorry Neji does not have the best chakra control.. if believe shutting of chakra points = best chakra control then you are highly mistaken. That is something his clan has spent training in.. but again Neji can't focus all of his chakra into 1 punch anytime he wants... When you show a scan of all of Neji's feats credited to Chakra control.. we'll talk about it more.
THERE IS ONLY 1 THING IN THE WHOLE MANGA, that is said to require perfect chakra control, and that is medical ninjutsu.
Changing your chakra falls under Physical recomposition which Kakashi describes as him making his chakra resemble electricity well Naruto makes his chakra resemble a person's chakra.
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. Kurama said Naruto's transform the chakra to meet each person's type, transform means to change so how would it's properties not change or at least some of it's properties. Kurama said it's the same method Minato used so I don't see how it would not be the same. Changing chakra is chakra control as I explained about physical recomposition which is what Tsunade and other medic ninjas use as well. Naruto is able to do this by being taught it from Kurama who said he'll explain it to him later back when he gave chakra to Kurama. Kurama said it much harder for humans to do give chakra than Bijuus, I saw it a few days ago and if you want the page i can go re-read. He then compares the same method Naruto is useing to Minato's who is not a jinchuuriki.
No it doesn't. You have no proof of what you're even saying to me. I see the Kyuubi's cloak, which resembles normal chakra as much as a fly resembles a hornet. Kakashi's chidori actually remembles lighting. Kyuubi's cloak didn't change in appearance whatsoever. So no, it's not physical recomposition.
Look at it with your own eyes, xxSAGExx, and tell me that kyuubi cloak resembles normal chakra. It's not physical recomposition. Not to mention it wouldn't even make sense if he was using that method, making it "resemble" their chakra. That's not real lighting, so it wouldn't be their real chakra types. Logically speaking, it wouldn't fit. He's doing something else. Exactly what? Kishi will explain it in the 4th databook I hope.
My point is we don't have a blue's clue as to what Naruto is doing to match chakra types. I imagine it's difficult, yes.
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Kurama changed his chakra into Naruto's this is why Cei, a sensory type first said Kurama's then changed it to Naruto's (
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). This is the same chakra that Orochimaru group sensed and Orochimaru said it bothers Sasuke a little, Sasuke has no reason to be bothered by sensing Kurama's chakra but being able to sense Naruto's chakra from that far would
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.Many threads have been saying Yin seal makes Sakura better, isn't that a single technique? But I didn't just use 1, I used 1 that was called extremely advanced and then asked what do you think it's much stronger variations is like. In other threads I even said Naruto is better than Sakura in some aspects of chakra control while she is in others but they see it chakra control as 1 thing only. Naruto's shape manipulations, physical recomposition and chakra transference while Sakura is better with her precision and what she can do with that precision because we say more of Naruto's skills in those chakra skills which were said or shown to be extremely advanced chakra control. Only type of chakra control is all I remember being mentioned when Sakura gets praised and that's precise chakra control.
Neji can control the flow of chakra using the chakra points in his own body or in others, he used this to break out of Kisame's water prison. He also made a small chakra blade he use to cut that sound 4 webs
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. Neji said he can emit chakra from any chakra opening
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. I think his precision in using his gentle fist and able to use it any any part of his body is impressive, the most talented of his clan. You made SM seem like it's that easy, Kabuto shown better chakra control (not including Yin seal) when he extended his healing chakra to heal Sakura and healed himself without using hand signs or a seal. Kabuto didn't make learning SM easy, only said that it's a power that only can be obtained thru training. Pa toad even said learning to balance it is near impossible, he said that in general and not said unless you're a medical ninja or genjutsu type who have great chakra control.
How can you really rate medical ninjas who are said to have perfect chakra control? Perfect means you can't go higher because perfect is the best. What's better than Perfect? So saying all medical ninjas have perfect chakra control is like saying Tsunade chakra control is equal to Sakura, Ino, Shizune, Kabuto, Cei and others. Unless you add in skill and say Tsunade more more skilled in using her chakra control. But again, you can say Sakura is more skilled in precision while Naruto is more skilled in Spatial recomposition, physical recomposition and chakra transference.
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What does everyone think about Naruto gaining telepethy vai kyubi chakra??
- Is that chaka cotnrol??
-Also, when naruto read obito's mind, was that chakra control?
- Is that chaka cotnrol??
-Also, when naruto read obito's mind, was that chakra control?
Kakashi turns his regular chakra into lightning so saying Kakashi's chidori actually resembles lightning is like me saying they can use Kurama's chakra like their own chakra. Physical recomposition changes the chakra's properties but not all of it, so you can turn your basic chakra to resemble fire, earth, or one of the other elements but is your chakra the same blue looking chakra? No but it's still chakra. It changed some properties but not all to make it not chakra. In this aspect Naruto and medical ninjas skilled enough can change their chakra types to match another person.
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What do they call fire,earth, water, wind, lightning and yin yang chakra are called? Chakra types and what did Kurama say Naruto did? transformed his chakra to meet each person's type. Why would you say Kakashi's chidori actually resembles lightning then say it's not real lightning? That made no since, real lightning is not chakra nor can a ninja make it but what makes you think it wouldn't fit? Did Sasuke not only commanded real lightning but shape manipulated it all with his Chakra made lightning.
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I never actually thought that I will return to this thread next day, and will see these many number of logical replies.
Naruto has to make it compatible with other guy and give it to him,with the slap of hand, and Naruto has mastered that process, I agree but that isn't chakra control.
Ya but we are talking about Sakura's chakra control vs Naruto's chakra control. This scan proves that 'X' is good football player, but doesn't prove that he is better than Ronaldo.
We will better leave it for Kishi, he has to decide definition of chakra control.
I wasn't good with words there, I was talking about Naruto's ability to handle over chakra to the other people. Naruto just makes it suitable for other people by forming link with them. It isn't 'chakra control', the amount of chakra is handed over by Kurama, so I don't know how that becomes Naruto's chakra feat. I wasn't talking about molding your own chakra.
Kurama said he modified his chakra and gave it to Naruto, yes I agree, but my question is how does that become Naruto's chakra control feat?
It is Kurama's chakra you yourself said that, so why does Naruto has to build up the chakra? Kurama can handle it.:yeah:
Naruto has to make it compatible with other guy and give it to him,with the slap of hand, and Naruto has mastered that process, I agree but that isn't chakra control.
Yes I agree, but that isn't chaka control.
Yes she was, but that doesn't mean Sakura wasn't doing anything. We have seen she was healing shinobis as well as fighting(she was in Kakashi's division mind you), and top of that she was must have healed people when medical division didn't combine with them. So I don't see why you are comparing Sakura is shizune, better we should stay on topic.
That chakra control is basic chakra control, don't you think if Ebisu know it, every Jounin from Konoha, must know it, and they must have thought their students, so how does that make Naruto different from someone else??
Naruto was able to fight because he had Kurama chakra. Take out Kurama factor and tell Naruto to fight for 24-7, I doubt he will be able to. I amnot saying that Naruto is fodder, but more chakra=more feats. Stay on topic and that is chakra control feats, not chakra feats.
Sakura is like hermione granger. She became master of medical ninjutsu, how can you say that she hasn't improved? I exactly think opposite of this, she had improved exponentially. What makes you think Sakura took breaks btw??
Ya but we are talking about Sakura's chakra control vs Naruto's chakra control. This scan proves that 'X' is good football player, but doesn't prove that he is better than Ronaldo.
Understanding something=/= Mastering.
But, but, but Jiraiya removed it.
OK, but what about controlling your chakra for three years??
I can provide you scan where Kakashi did rasengan using one hand, does that make Kakashi's chakra control=Sakura's chakra control? Since Naruto is Naruto Uzumaki, his chakra reserves are higher, and hence he can afford to waste chakra unlike Sakura.
Already countered.
We will better leave it for Kishi, he has to decide definition of chakra control.
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