Kakashi turns his regular chakra into lightning so saying Kakashi's chidori actually resembles lightning is like me saying they can use Kurama's chakra like their own chakra.
You're not making sense. PHYSICAL recomposition, the physical aspects of it changes. That's not the case with the Kyuubi's cloaks and shinobi's.
Physical recomposition changes the chakra's properties but not all of it, so you can turn your basic chakra to resemble fire, earth, or one of the other elements but is your chakra the same blue looking chakra? No but it's still chakra.
It changed some properties but not all to make it not chakra. In this aspect Naruto and medical ninjas skilled enough can change their chakra types to match another person.
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What do they call fire,earth, water, wind, lightning and yin yang chakra are called? Chakra types and what did Kurama say Naruto did? transformed his chakra to meet each person's type. Why would you say Kakashi's chidori actually resembles lightning then say it's not real lightning? That made no since, real lightning is not chakra nor can a ninja make it but what makes you think it wouldn't fit? Did Sasuke not only commanded real lightning but shape manipulated it all with his Chakra made lightning.
What? This sounds like you're proving my point, it resembles lighting but is still chakra. Physical recomposition wouldn't work with what Naruto is doing. It's like comparing real lighting to fake lighting. He would be imitating their chakra. That's not what he's doing. It says he's matching chakra types. Using your logic, you're saying he changed the physical properties sooooooo little, but was still able to physical recompose it perfectly so that it'd match. It says he's matching chakra types; I reiterate, using your argument of physical recomposition, then kyuubi's cloak should be identical. It wouldn't work if "not all properties were changed", it wouldn't work if it only half-matched. There's no logic in this argument. You've hit a wall here. I'm going to accentuate and expound so you get a better idea. Kakashi explains that to physically recompose, you have to make your chakraphysically resemble whatever it is you're aiming for. You keep hitting me with "chakra types", but you know just as much as I and everyone else in this thread that the concept of chakra type is too vague. I'm just saying what everyone's thinking, instead of trying to pretend that it's so explicitly stated somewhere in the manga. Furthermore, you act as if there's some type of proof to what you're saying. At most, it's an hypothesis. You're just hypothesizing that he's using physical recomposition. Your hypothesis is as good as anyone elses. One would think to match chakra types, the quality, attributes, and physical appearance would change to a considerable extent. We all know so little about the concept of chakra type and how one changes it. Just admit we have no idea how it works. "Wind type", 'Fire type", do you even even understand the concept aside from it being a "type"?? No. Because Kishi hasn't gone into detail about it.
In blood type, we know it's determined by the abscence or presence of antigens and antibodies within your plasma. In chakra type? We're all clueless. If "blood control" was defined as controlling the amount of blood some organs receive (the amount needed) or regulating it through the body (comparable to chakra-balance and producing the exact amount of chakra needed for a technique), could we really under that definition classify the ability to create or eliminate anitigens within the blood so that it'd match a type as "blood control", even though it's defined as regulating the amount of blood the organs receive? I feel like no matter how I put it, no one is going to understand or simply don't want to understand my thought pattern or what I'm trying to say. I simply think the concept of "chakra type" could be totally unrelated to chakra control.
I never actually thought that I will return to this thread next day, and will see these many number of logical replies.
I wasn't good with words there, I was talking about Naruto's ability to handle over chakra to the other people. Naruto just makes it suitable for other people by forming link with them. It isn't 'chakra control', the amount of chakra is handed over by Kurama, so I don't know how that becomes Naruto's chakra feat. I wasn't talking about molding your own chakra.
Kurama said he modified his chakra and gave it to Naruto, yes I agree, but my question is how does that become Naruto's chakra control feat?
It is Kurama's chakra you yourself said that, so why does Naruto has to build up the chakra? Kurama can handle it.:yeah:
Naruto has to make it compatible with other guy and give it to him,with the slap of hand, and Naruto has mastered that process, I agree but that isn't chakra control.
Yes I agree, but that isn't chaka control.
Yes she was, but that doesn't mean Sakura wasn't doing anything. We have seen she was healing shinobis as well as fighting(she was in Kakashi's division mind you), and top of that she was must have healed people when medical division didn't combine with them. So I don't see why you are comparing Sakura is shizune, better we should stay on topic.
That chakra control is basic chakra control, don't you think if Ebisu know it, every Jounin from Konoha, must know it, and they must have thought their students, so how does that make Naruto different from someone else??
Naruto was able to fight because he had Kurama chakra. Take out Kurama factor and tell Naruto to fight for 24-7, I doubt he will be able to. I amnot saying that Naruto is fodder, but more chakra=more feats. Stay on topic and that is chakra control feats, not chakra feats.
Sakura is like hermione granger. She became master of medical ninjutsu, how can you say that she hasn't improved? I exactly think opposite of this, she had improved exponentially. What makes you think Sakura took breaks btw??
Ya but we are talking about Sakura's chakra control vs Naruto's chakra control. This scan proves that 'X' is good football player, but doesn't prove that he is better than Ronaldo.
Understanding something=/= Mastering.
But, but, but Jiraiya removed it.
OK, but what about controlling your chakra for three years??
I can provide you scan where Kakashi did rasengan using one hand, does that make Kakashi's chakra control=Sakura's chakra control? Since Naruto is Naruto Uzumaki, his chakra reserves are higher, and hence he can afford to waste chakra unlike Sakura.
Already countered.
We will better leave it for Kishi, he has to decide definition of chakra control.
It is true that many of us are just using theories unless it's plan out stated in the manga, But let be ask you this, what type other than precise chakra control have Sakura been praised or said to use? Naruto has at least 2 chakra types that are extremely advanced chakra types which he learned and master in less than 2 months or so for each one separately and even combined both of these chakra control for a powerful S rank jutsu.
Since we haven't been told the specifics of Naruto's transferring skill, all we can base it on is that he dad Minato, a widely known, feared ninja and skilled, and mom Kushina have used and Kurama boost that Naruto was even better at it than they were and made it sound like a big feat which Kurama doesn't really do except with Naruto, Minato, Kushina, Sasuke and Shikaku.
"Having long since mastered chakra control and already experienced with manipulating large amounts of chakra, Naruto makes quick use of what Kurama gives him, mixing it with his own so that he can, in turn, share it with others.[73]" Was said about Naruto
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For Sakura, So after reading this, I have to agree that that was the Pinnacle of Sakura's chakra control, not chakra control in general. Why I say this? Because Tsunade is better than Sakura in chakra control so to say Sakura has the highest level of chakra control when Tsunade is obviously better and proves she is as soon as she joins the battle and healing Shikamaru. The Yin seal is Tsunade's pinnacle of chakra control as it is with Sakura's.
You're not making sense. PHYSICAL recomposition, the physical aspects of it changes. That's not the case with the Kyuubi's cloaks and shinobi's.
What? This sounds like you're proving my point, it resembles lighting but is still chakra. Physical recomposition wouldn't work with what Naruto is doing. It's like comparing real lighting to fake lighting. He would be imitating their chakra. That's not what he's doing. It says he's matching chakra types. Using your logic, you're saying he changed the physical properties sooooooo little, but was still able to physical recompose it perfectly so that it'd match. It says he's matching chakra types; I reiterate, using your argument of physical recomposition, then kyuubi's cloak should be identical. It wouldn't work if "not all properties were changed", it wouldn't work if it only half-matched. There's no logic in this argument. You've hit a wall here. I'm going to accentuate and expound so you get a better idea. Kakaki explains that to physically recompose, you have to make your chakraphysically resemble whatever it is you're aiming for. You keep hitting me with "chakra types", but you know just as much as I and everyone else in this thread that the concept of chakra type is too vague. I'm just saying what everyone's thinking, instead of trying to pretend that it's so explicitly stated somewhere in the manga. Furthermore, you act as if there's some type of proof to what you're saying. At most, it's an hypothesis. You're just hypothesizing that he's using physical recomposition. Your hypothesis is as good as anyone elses. One would think to match chakra types, the quality, attributes, and physical appearance would change to a considerable extent. We all know so little about the concept of chakra type and how one changes it. Just admit we have no idea how it works. "Wind type", 'Fire type", do you even even understand the concept aside from it being a "type"?? No. Because Kishi hasn't gone into detail about it.
In blood type, we know it's determined by the abscence or presence of antigens and antibodies within your plasma. In chakra type? We're all clueless. If "blood control" was defined as controlling the amount of blood some organs receive (the amount needed) or regulating it through the body (comparable to chakra-balance and producing the exact amount of chakra needed for a technique), could we really under that definition classify the ability to create or eliminate anitigens within the blood so that it'd match a type as "blood control", even though it's defined as regulating the amount of blood the organs receive? I feel like no matter how I put it, no one is going to understand or simply don't want to understand my thought pattern or what I'm trying to say. I simply think the concept of "chakra type" could be totally unrelated to chakra control.
It is true that many of us are just using theories unless it's plan out stated in the manga, But let be ask you this, what type other than precise chakra control have Sakura been praised or said to use? Naruto has at least 2 chakra types that are extremely advanced chakra types which he learned and master in less than 2 months or so for each one separately and even combined both of these chakra control for a powerful S rank jutsu.
Since we haven't been told the specifics of Naruto's transferring skill, all we can base it on is that he dad Minato, a widely known, feared ninja and skilled, and mom Kushina have used and Kurama boost that Naruto was even better at it than they were and made it sound like a big feat which Kurama doesn't really do except with Naruto, Minato, Kushina, Sasuke and Shikaku.
"Having long since mastered chakra control and already experienced with manipulating large amounts of chakra, Naruto makes quick use of what Kurama gives him, mixing it with his own so that he can, in turn, share it with others.[73]" Was said about Naruto
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For Sakura, So after reading this, I have to agree that that was the Pinnacle of Sakura's chakra control, not chakra control in general. Why I say this? Because Tsunade is better than Sakura in chakra control so to say Sakura has the highest level of chakra control when Tsunade is obviously better and proves she is as soon as she joins the battle and healing Shikamaru. The Yin seal is Tsunade's pinnacle of chakra control as it is with Sakura's.
I'm glad you finally admitted this and saw my point that we don't really know what's going on with the manipulation of chakra types. Honestly, no satire intended. That was getting very exhausting, trying to get people to see the point I was making lol.
But let be ask you this, what type other than precise chakra control have Sakura been praised or said to use? Naruto has at least 2 chakra types that are extremely advanced chakra types which he learned and master in less than 2 months or so for each one separately and even combined both of these chakra control for a powerful S rank jutsu.
Logically speaking, extremely precise chakra > imprecise chakra control. This is why it's no problem for her to manifest
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, there's no need for physical recomposition. Translation, spatial recompostion is discharging chakra from the body. This is made clear in the first scan I linked as well, Kakashi says physically recomposing it to lighting, then discharging it to determine the scope and strength; other words the size of the discharged chakra. This discharging of chakra from the body is called spatial recomposition. If it didn't have any violent spin to it, it would be spatial recomposition with no effects whatsoever; thus physical recomposition would have been necessary so that it actually does something instead of just being showy. My point, Sakura has showed spatial recomposition and extremely precise chakra control. Granted, Naruto has showed a more advanced spatial recomposition. Even still, no one has even commented on how good of a chakra control feat the rasengan is. Kakashi can do it as well, yet I doubt if he can do what Sakura did, he was even amazed by it. Remeber, the basics of chakra control is focusing how much chakra is used up for a technique. The more precise you are, the better your chakra control overall. Extremely precise chakra control is advancing, there's no other way to advance. So, the statement "she's only good at extremely precise control" is bastardizing the concept of chakra control. If Naruto wasn't precise, a thumb-shaped chakra manifestation the size of texas could have discharged from his ass. Chakra control is ABOUT precision. And Sakura is extremely precise at it.
We're still not even sure if Naruto is proficient of breaking genjutsu kai, well at least when he battled Itachi. This is something he struggled with even after learning the rasengan. He was good at using the precise amount of chakra for THAT technique. It's a bit weird that he could do rasengan or odama rasengan, but struggled with genjutsu kai. Genjutsu kai is stopping the chakra flow, and then applying a greater amount than the opponent is using to manipulate. This is a bit inconsistent. Again, Sakura could do this since part 1, even BEFORE she could precisely focus her chakra into her punches; which Kakashi praised. I think the infamous ABC logic may work in this case. If genjutsu kai < Precise chakra control (Sakura's feat of precise chakra control), then Sakura's chakra controlling (not even including the Yin Seal) could be >>>>>> rasengan. I mean the difficulty of it all. Now this logic may not be 100% correct, but it's something I want you to think about. The rasengan doesn't seem too impressive of a chakra control feat when Naruto struggled with genjutsu kai, something Sakura learned before becoming more adept at control. There's definitely inconsistencies, maybe Kishi can clear it up. Though for now, Sakura seems to be the most consistent. There's also probably a reason why no one complimented rasengan for chakra control.
Yeah, Naruto could physically recompose it. But looky here.
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Zetsu even says "than simply manipulating the nature of chakra." Sasuke seems to be above Naruto in that department. It's on a whole other level than the FRS. Would that alone make him better at chakra control? Please think about that.
It's the same with SM. Naruto had to learn to maintain a precise amount for THAT particular skill. The variable is, we don't know how precise he had to be. We're just guessing. On the the other hand, Sakura has been praised for being extremely precise. She's good at getting the right balance on the smallest of levels. Naruto was first using too much (I'm aware of all the reasons), he had to work to get the balance down to a smaller level. Impresice chakra control < precise chakra control < extremely precise chakra control. Remember, being more precise is the only way to move up the ladder in the chakra control department. Sakura's praise gives us an idea of what Kishi thinks.
SM is a great feat nonetheless. It's just that it's a techqniue Naruto had to hone his chakra control for, to what degree we do not know.
Since we haven't been told the specifics of Naruto's transferring skill, all we can base it on is that he dad Minato, a widely known, feared ninja and skilled, and mom Kushina have used and Kurama boost that Naruto was even better at it than they were and made it sound like a big feat which Kurama doesn't really do except with Naruto, Minato, Kushina, Sasuke and Shikaku.
No I'm pretty sure it is a big feat. It's just that we have no idea how they're doing it. For all we know, it could be like comparing strength to speed. "Oh Tsunade is strong, she's definitely faster than Minato." We could be sounding quite silly comparing all this. We're too ignorant of the mechanics.
"Having long since mastered chakra control and already experienced with manipulating large amounts of chakra, Naruto makes quick use of what Kurama gives him, mixing it with his own so that he can, in turn, share it with others.[73]" Was said about Naruto
I understand, but they're just interpreting the same scans as we are. More guesses. Only Kishi truly knows, and we're not going to find out until he release the databook. Now once they update after the 4th databook, then yes, I'll be more willing to agree with them.
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For Sakura, So after reading this, I have to agree that that was the Pinnacle of Sakura's chakra control, not chakra control in general. Why I say this? Because Tsunade is better than Sakura in chakra control so to say Sakura has the highest level of chakra control when Tsunade is obviously better and proves she is as soon as she joins the battle and healing Shikamaru. The Yin seal is Tsunade's pinnacle of chakra control as it is with Sakura's.
Tsunade healing Shikamaru right away may not have only been because of her huge chakra reserves, but Sakura already healed many before her arrival.
I'm not 100% sure that Tsunade is better at chakra control per se, Shizune's mention of Sakura being able to use remote healing as soon as she unlocked the Yin Seal greatly suggest it may have took Tsunade a while to use remote healing (no one even taught Sakura how to do it, she just did it). As for Tsunade's exclusive techniques, it could be that she has had more time to experiment. Repairing cells on a mitotic level may take a completely different quality of chakra than the medical chakra. I'm really not sure. It's not like I'm blown out of my mind over Tsundae being better than Sakura though. It's probably true.
In the end, Sakura's praise for her chakra control, along with being a med-nin (nins who actually specially in chakra control), plus the pinnacle of chakra control bit makes me believe KISHI is portraying her to be the best, at least above Naruto.
Anyways, I'm going to go check out a few threads, and go to bed.
I see what you're trying to do but bringing up part 1 or early Shinpuuden Sakura and comparing her skill to Current BSM Naruto is laughable U_U
Naruto mastered "Perfect Sage Mode" then obtained the "Bijju Mode" and then combined them. That's like the highest level there is. Even greats like Jiraya, Oro couldn't achieve perfect SM. Kabuto who Tsunade said was better than her was able to obtain SM but had to go through many modifications on his body.
Like it or not but Sakura only "was" better, she's nowhere near Naruto at this point. Heck she hasn't even surpassed Tsunade.
I considered that by explaining from the very beginning the chakra control, I won't have to throw at your face the "Pinnacle of Chakra Control" argument. Because in the end, that's a manga fact and it can't be argued. Unless, we're talking Sakura because apparently everything she does must be argued/undermined. I wonder why we don't argue other ninja's skills as well. Oh, wait, they're not Sakura.
Naruto mastered all those, yes, I never said he didn't, but you're missing the key-point here: how much it took him to master them. The difference between Naruto and Sakura are rather quite simple: yes, now both can control their chakra properly, but Naruto needs time to do it, while Sakura does it from the first try.
And who says that's the highest level there is? We're talking control here. What he's doing is very similar to Nature transformation, like for example Mokuton. Mix water and earth and you get the Mokuton. What we're talking here, at its very basic it's the control. What you're talking is combining the natures.
Like I said, at its very basic thing it has nothing to do.
As well, Kabuto, who Tsunade said that he had better reflexes than her in her younger ages, not better than her overall and plus she was retreated from the battlefield for ages, modified his body because that's what DSM requires. A strong body. But a strong body has nothing to do with chakra control, once again.
As for Sakura, she was and is. It's not like she is a version of iOS you can downgrade. Plus, surpassing Tsunade once again has nothing to do with chakra control.
I think you're very much confusing things for the sake of making an argument.
I understood this before for some extent but can't explain way you did ( i understand first but explain in simple way ) naruto can control large amount of chakra by learning through experience thus improve his chakra control . sakura have a very good chakra control she can use her chakra with right amount from word go .
So she got the seal. A lot of people including me predicted or suspected that she would.
It doesn't mean she has the best chakara control and will develops slug sage mode ( Which the manga has shown no prove that it exists in the first place.) And furthermore to even be able use sage mode you must already have naturally high chakara capacity. You can't save up for three years and expect to meet that requirement.
And it's not a waste of time for me If I make my point.
Lol, now it's a lot of people predicted? Yeah, right. When I first made that theory everybody had the same hostile reaction as here when it came to it, yet now supposedly everybody predicted that. Uhum. Sure, right.
Like it or not, chakra control is her thing and who says that she won't develop SSM? The same people who told me that she won't get the seal? Please.
And you're making the same mistake other people do/did in assuming all SM have the same requirements, when they don't.
You can't cure denial. These guys don't want to lose their 'cool points' by saying sakura is actually better than someone at something.
Anyway, good thread. Though it should be obvious, it isn't, and this thread won't change the stubborn's minds. They've already ingrained in their mind that sakura is chunnin/low jounin at best and she can't compete with naruto, sasuke or even tsunade, for that matter, at all.
God forbid Sakura is good at something! What's that? This is getting funny to the point of low-comprehension reading. Everyone is so wrapped-up in their personal views on her that they forget she's actually a ninja too and happens to specialize on some things like other happen to specialize on others.
As for the second part, well, guess who is staying side-by-side with Tsunade now? At the moment the only thing that puts Tsunade above Sakura is her self-regeneration. Otherwise, in terms of healing they're on part, if not, I might add, with Sakura being slightly above Tsunade. Not sure about this, I am waiting for the anime version, but there is a thing I noticed and I am waiting for the animation to see if my interpretation of the said panel is correct.
As for Naruto and Sasuke's compete argument. People always think that because Naruto and Sasuke display more visually-appealing jutsus, they are the kings of kings. Not to say that they aren't powerful, God forbid, but there's more to a ninja than those flashy jutsus. But like someone cares about that.
You act as if Sakura is perfect in chakra control. Yes she can use the yin seal. Yes she was taught to focus chakra into her hands by tsunade. Yes Kakashi praises her for chakra control. But she's not perfect.
I don't act as if she is perfect. The manga states it so for me and you and everyone. Yes, she can do all that and all those wouldn't be able to be done without perfect chakra control.
A lot of the stuff you bring up is chakra control feats from part 1, of walking on trees. This honestly does show chakra control ability, but Naruto practice and has surpasssed Sakura in chakra control through his training. Also notice how Kakashi says she is better at chakra control "right now". That doesn't mean it's not able to change, it isn't set in stone.
A lot of stuff I bring is from part 1 because that's when the principles of chakra control were explained, otherwise I would've been throwing back at you the Byakugo seal and I'd say deal with it. But no, I made it even more clear so that can people understand.
So, tell me, how can one surpass perfection? Kakashi has praised over time Sakura's chakra control. That was just a part of the others. Seems like you totally don't take the other statements into account. Chakra control isn't now or then, it's there to stay when you learn it.
And by your logic, Sakura's one sat in stone since well, uhm, Byakugo.
You point out that picture of Tsunade saying you need to have every aspect of chakra control refined to perfection, yet somehow Sakura can't do a direct chakra transfer? Tsunade can. Naruto can.
Her knowing the yin seal and not direct chakra transfer (when she studied under Tsunade for the whole of the timeskip) really shows how hard direct chakra transfer must be. And Naruto gave that chakra out to all the ninjas in the alliance.Naruto's also able to transfer chakra unconciously through a link (as shown when he does so to shikamaru). This is the same sort of thing Sakura does with katsuyu, except naruto can do both the remote and direct version. Since she can't do this technique that tsunade and Naruto can, it shows that Sakura isn't as skilled as Naruto at learning techniques, even ones requiring precise chakra control. It also shows her chakra control isn't perfect, like Tsunade said. Also who is to say transforming chakra isn't chakra control? If you can't transform your chakra to meet someone elses needs, you obviously can't control it well enough to do so.
Naruto also learned the direct chakra transfer version on the battlefield when he needed to, when Sakura needed to save Shikamaru she wasn't able to learn it like naruto was. Really shows the skill Naruto has really.
Yes, he learned it on the battlefield, at his 2nd try, Sakura did it at his first try. So yes, he is skilled, but once again, Sakura 'took' him in this matter.
You also bring up the TBB. Naruto is the first person ever to hold a TBB in the palm of his hand, and is essentially developing the technique. He clearly says he learns from experience, which is one reason why he masters is it on the battelfield (another reason is because the kyuubi becomes friendly, and doesn't restrict him at all anymore). After the kyuubi becomes friendly and stops disturbing his chakra (however large or small that disturbance may be) it definitely allows him for better chakra control.
You realize that what you refute here has nothing to do with the OP? Yes, he did master TBB, but how long it took him to do the exact ratios? Seems like this part is left outside on purpose or it's just me? Yes, he learns from experience, nowhere did I say he didn't, but it all comes down back to chakra control. He first needs to try multiple times until he gets the proper ratios. Which comes down to chakra control.
I would also like to bring up the rasengan. Tsunade believed that only Minato and Jaraiya could even learn the rasengan. That's how hard the technique is to learn. Yet Naruto was able to perform rasengan in about 1 months time of training. Jaraiya also makes a specific remark to how Naruto burned his hand by concentrating so much chakra into one spot (which happens to be about the size of the yin seal, and shows precise chakra control).
I don't remember Tsunade saying that, I am not saying she didn't say that, however. But, it's interesting you brought this.
First of all, Naruto learned Rasengan in one week. Remember the bet between him and Tsunade? Plus the 2 days before, totally took him about 1 week and 2 days.
And yes, Naruto burned his hands by concentrating so much chakra in one spot because he concentrated more chakra than it was necessary. And yes, he did concentrated in one spot. But he did this for one week, week with interruptions. Whereas Sakura, had to do the exact same thing for 3 years. Indeed it speaks volumes about the chakra control they both have.
This shows that if Naruto wanted to learn the yin seal, and Tsunade was willing to teach him, he probably could. It also shows the chakra control required to perfect rasengan since Tsunade thought only two people could possibly learn it. Kakashi also later states that Rasengan is the pinnacle of spatial chakra control. Naruto mastered the most powerful spatial chakra control technique, while a genin (damn what a chakra control beast).
I, personally, don't remember if it's said to be the pinnacle of spatial chakra control, however, I am not saying it isn't. But this furthermore implies, by the similarities between Byakugo seal and Rasengan that in this aspect, the fact that Sakura was able to do for 3 years the thing that Naruto does with his rasengan, speaks volumes.
As for Naruto learning the Byakugo seal, we can't say that since we haven't seen him up until now if he's capable of controlling his chakra in this kind of manner. Think only at the fact that Sakura did this separately from her fights and her healing throughout the series and for a moment, imagine the amount of concentration necessary for that and think if Naruto can do it. Yes, on limited periods of time he does have a good chakra control, but I wonder how he'd manage to do this for 3 years straight while also, at the same time, concentrating his chakra into an exact point.
Later Naruto adds Nature transformation to the rasengan. Which is another form of chakra control. Yes he does it a quicker way by using the large amount of chakra he has, but Kakashi clearly states that Naruto was progressing faster than he thought possible. Naruto gets so good at using his chakra nature of wind he is able to cut a waterfall.
Yes, he does and I never said he didn't. But it all lies into chakra control. He managed to do it, and yes, faster than Kakashi had imagined, but if he would've been that better than Sakura, he should've done it on his first try. That's the difference people don't get between Sakura and Naruto. Yes, his chakra control greatly improved over the years, but the difference is that she has the upper hand on him, as she is able to do techniques from her first try, while with Naruto, it takes him practice.
It's rather a fundamental thing and easy to discern.
Lets also bring sage mode into account here. In order to make chakra your physical and spiritual energy into chakra. In order to make chakra as a sage your balance between Natural, spiritual, and physical energy must be almost perfect. Naruto however perfects the sagemode technique, unlike jaraiya. Naruto masters sage mode in a matter of days (time isn't exactly clear, but it is rather short). Then he learned to apply sage mode chakra to his techniques which is a form of chakra control, later on in the war he found out he could apply it to nearly all of his techniques. Learning sagemode and perfecting it in itself shows a clear control over chakra, yes chakra. Not just natural energy, but chakra. I say chakra because Sage mode chakra is special, another person can not just be handed sage mode chakra, as they will turn into a frog (shown when pein turns into a stone frog). This shows you must be controlling natural chakra near perfectly in order to perform sage mode (and Naruto learned it so fast too)
If you have read properly the OP, you would've noticed the slight difference I addressed in terms of chakra control, really, I don't feel like explaining myself, once again. Let me know if I need to paste it to you once again.
Naruto also quite litterally controls his chakra in bm or any of his other kyuubi chakra modes to a great extente. He controls it so precisely he is able to stack the tip of a pyramid on top of the tip of another pyramid, which is pretty damned impressive. Yes sakura doesn't have the ability to do this because she doesn't have as much chakra as Naruto, but I doubt she would learn as quickly as Naruto did. Naruto is shown to be able to be able to learn extremely advanced techniques really quickly, while we haven't seen Sakura display the same feat.
But this has nothing to do with having as much chakra. It has to do with what you're able to do with chakra. Period.
We haven't seen Sakura display the same feat? Then what do you call using Remote Healing Technique from the first try?
Naruto is better than Sakura in chakra control now, he has been growing over the years and has grown and surpassed her from when Kakashi first said she was the best.
Regardless, the more I think about it The juubito is still the best person at chakra controlling we have seen. Juubito solos.
Edit: If you need pics for anything regarding my post, just ask I will gladly provide.
Last but not least, as I already said, your arguments are pretty much refuted by the manga itself and by what I already wrote to you in the first paragraphs.
As for Juubito, hmm, never actually studied him but I do remember he was taught a lot of things by Madara and we don't exactly know how much it took him. However, what I will give you is that, indeed, he seemed to keep himself in one piece when the Juubi was about to take him. Oh, well, the power of will.
As for your LE I don't need the pictures as I pretty much remember everything you said there.
Lol I love how they twist manga facts to go against everything you said, notice how Sakura technically did the same thing Naruto did providing chakra to the alliance + healing and notice how she still have an abundance of chakra left. I think that is due to chakra control too.
That seems to be a trend in the fandom.
As for your other part, it is due to chakra control, because as explained by Ibisu, she uses the exact same amount, allowing her to conserve her stamina, which means,she doesn't waste any chakra more than necessary for a particular jutsu.
This has nothing to do with Katsuyu since Katsuyu uses the chakra from its summoner, aka either Tsunade or Sakura.
So no, it's not thanks to Katsuyu is thanks to Sakura herself.
I was actually going to make explanation thread about same thing, but as my exams are going on, I postponed that idea, but glad to know that you did it.
I am going to add just few points here, that I feel you missed out:
1. Difference between chakra moulding(transformation) and chakra control.
Many people think that Naruto's chakra control is better than Sakura's and they present this scan,
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But this isn't chakra control, but basically it is 'chakra molding', or making your chakra compatible with everyone.
On top of that, this scan doesn't say that his chakra control is better than Sakura's. I hope Kakashi's explanation regarding chakra control cleared it out.
2. The most basic thing that many people tend to forget is Sakura's chakra feats during shinobi world war. Sakura basically has less amount of chakra reserves as compared to Naruto/Sasuke, but we can't simply deny that she did a lot of things throughout the war despite of low chakra reserves.(I am talking about her chakra feats before Byakuguo). So that itself proves that she lost very few amount of chakra, and hence has high chakra control, because unlike Naruto she can't afford to lose chakra.
Good luck with your exams! ^_^
As for what you said, I already explained it how it's similar in Nature, what Naruto did there and what Sakura did when used Remote Healing Technique. But apparently Kakashi's explanation over the years doesn't suffice. Should we question Kakashi's intelligence now?
And yes, in this war, Sakura has consumed a considerable amount of chakra, but it seems people forget this, for what reason? Beat me, I don't know. And all that outside the Byakugo since the only time she used the Byakugo chakra was when she summoned Katsuyu along Tsunade.
Everything else was made from her base chakra, outside Byakugo.
Naruto has surpassed her in chakra control.
There is no debating this.
The sheer volume and the fact that he can pass it on with a simple tap while tuning it to there needs is unmatched.
Besides that sakura doesn't even know the final stage of the strength of a hundred seal nor does she know creatoin rebirth so she has a long way to go
So what about the sheer volume of Sakura's chakra when healed the SA? Or should we ignore that?!
As for your second statement, you forget that the manga is not done yet and the fact that Sozo Saisei and Byakugo no Jutsu have to do with the big amount a shinobi needs to mould chakra in one second, that's the thing. That's why it is viewed as the pinnacle of medical jutsus. But we can't say she doesn't know them since by this logic, she wouldn't have known Remote Healing technique, yet there she was, performing it flawlessly for the first time.
Wow, did you really just said that? Sakura is just concentrating there, that's all. If she were to be exerting more effort, why doesn't she look tired? yet no drops of sweat... Really, twisting things to this extent?
In their base mode, Sasuke and Sakura were borderline equal. "Hand seals=chakra control", at least in the databook and both had a four, with Naruto far behind.
Personally now though:
Naruto bsm>Byakugyou Sakura=>Naruto bm>Ems Sasuke>Sm Naruto>Base Sasuke>Base Sakura>Base Naruto
But the fact that naruto balanced Sm and Bm together puts him at the top, feats wise anyway. In chakra control at least.
As far as I remember hand seals = / = chakra control. Hand seals was referring to how many seals a ninja knows.
As for the other part, honestly, once again, I don't feel like repeating myself again.
