I'm talking about the cloak mode. Both are different sensing. Cloak has emotion sensing and sage mode has danger sensing.pretty sure he just wanted to cut narutos arms and legs off kabuto wanted naruto as a bargain chip.
yes but cloak mode is more of a tank while the sage mode is more evasive. thats the reason why naruto sage mode was able to deal with raikage rather than the cloak mode. cloak mode got stomped. in terms or speed cloak mode yes when traveling/make big as$ rasangans but in battle where you need to make quick counters you use sage mode. sage mode is perfect for taijutsuI'm talking about the cloak mode. Both are different sensing. Cloak has emotion sensing and sage mode has danger sensing.
Not really. They were starting to catch up during the last part of their confrontation, even though that was with their avatars rather than base, so I'm not sure if the same thing applies to this thread, but the point still is that they couldn't get in a single hit on him until the very last blow.Yea true. But few panels later BSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke was matching his speed and movements with ease.
Yea but it's always like that in Naruto for some reason. Naruto vs Raikage. Bee vs Raikage. Naruto/Sauce vs Obito. Edo kages vs both Juubi jins etc. Tho agreed.Not really. They were starting to catch up during the last part of their confrontation, even though that was with their avatars rather than base, so I'm not sure if the same thing applies to this thread, but the point still is that they couldn't get in a single hit on him until the very last blow.
Yeah, I can see your point. This kind of stuff can be pretty inconsistent at times.Yea but it's always like that in Naruto for some reason. Naruto vs Raikage. Bee vs Raikage. Naruto/Sauce vs Obito. Edo kages vs both Juubi jins etc. Tho agreed.
That's the stupid thing though.Only Taijutsu? No Ninjutsu, No Dojutsu, No Transformation?
Base Naruto with Shadow Clones = Base Sasuke > Base Naruto without Shadow Clones
Not just speed but most other attributes actually. The way kishi wrote it is to keep them equal. Which means Sasuke's base stats have to pretty much match Cloaked Naruto stats or at least come close.I think Sasuke's base speed is better than Naruto's considering he doesn't have modes and what-not.
Before that, their bases were very similar, eerily so. Like you can't expect base Naruto to match out Sasuke who is in a 24/7 state of being in his most powerful form. Whilst Naruto has multiple forms to increase his power.
If we are talking RSM Naruto v. Rinnegan Sasuke, then they are neck and neck. I'm not going to go into sematics in terms of shadow clones, setups, Genjutsu, etc.
They should be roughly about the same.
This is nice and all, but what some people seem to ignore is the fact that Frog Kata is basically Shadow clones replacement on steroids. (Refer to Pain fight)Not just speed but most other attributes actually. The way kishi wrote it is to keep them equal. Which means Sasuke's base stats have to pretty much match Cloaked Naruto stats or at least come close.
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No ninjutsu allowed means no shadow clones. From skimming through the pages, it seems people believe that Naruto is physically that much stronger and more durable than Sasuke and would overpower him. This is simply not true and you need to go rewatch the boruto movie. As per above, Sasuke base stats are made to pretty much match Naruto's cloaked stats or how would they be equals.
You can see below for reference. Speed, neck and neck, strength, neck and neck, durability same. Not sure how much durable naruto is supposed to be if a sword is piercing him in cloak form almost same as normal anyways.
Refer to below fight. Sasuke strength feats. He actually showed more impressive strength feats than Naruto in this fight, but i'll let y'all judge.
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Anyways, the argument is simple. Naruto's taijutsu since forever is shadow clone heavy. Remove that against Sasuke, who doesn't have any similar limitations to his taijutsu and obviously Sasuke wins.
Holy shit, is that BASE Naruto and Rinnegan/EMS Sasuke going at it???Can naruto even touch sasuke in a taijutsu fight.
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Sasuke was warming up his punching bag.Holy shit, is that BASE Naruto and Rinnegan/EMS Sasuke going at it???
And yet Sasuke can't put him down?!?! XDXD
Reminds me of how much of a tank Naruto is.Sasuke was warming up his punching bag.
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and yetSasuke was warming up his punching bag.
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