Can Kisame defeat Itachi ?

[slaton02]

This is a fairly useless post... Let's begin cracking into it then.

1: Samehada doesn't like fire. True, but is still absorbed the fire. Without Any Damage. I've supplied this evidence in the previous post.

2: Samehada has never. What occured between Bee, Kisame, and Samehada was all apart of the plan to get Kisame close to Bee and Naruto. In fact, he has shown to even force the sword to do his

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3: As for Amaterasu, it obviously does or Ay and Obito wouldn't of reacted to it before being hit.

Debating with him is useless all he does is deny deny deny.

 

[Klad]

Wow , calm down guys . I didn't expect this thread to go this big Lol

 

[itachi4real]

-_- *should I tell him?.......yeah I will* sir the fire ball split CAUSE IT WAS ABSORBED lol the sides didn't get absorbed cause it was out of the absorbtion range. smh some people

Omg if the fireball was absorbed it would have disappeared what the hell are u talking about

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Lets discuss

Amaterasu

There might be a possibility that Amaterasu can be fed on by Kisame's sword, I'm not sure, but probably not. If itachi aims his Amaterasu on Kisame's body other than his sword, then Kisame has lost.

Round one: Itachi > Kisame

Tsukyomi/Genjutsu

Kisame doesn't excel at taijutsu like gai does, therefore it'll be unlikely for him to fight itachi by judging his movement based on itachi's body positioning and trajectory. In fact, if he even looks at Itachi's finger, he'll be in a Genjutsu. However Kisame's sword could probably bring him back from the genjutsu, not tsukuyomi. Therefore if kisame is looking at itachi chin below, he wont be able to tell if he's using amaterasu or anything like that.

Round 2: Itachi > Kisame.

Susano + Yata Mirror + Totsuka Blade

Kisame hasn't got anything in his arsenal capable of going through a susano ribcage, never mind Yata mirror. Totsuka blade is an overkill.

Round 3: Itachi > Kisame



I don't know why this has become a heated discussion, but based on feats and hype, Itachi godstomps Kisame, thus why Kisame has been seen as itachi's partner, not the other way around.​

 

[Curteth]

No. What? No. Kisame recognized Itachi was POWERFUL and a fight with him would be costly. It doesn't mean he thought Itachi was stronger. He realized Itachi was smarter, yes.

And, Kisame ALWAYS took the role of a tool or follower, even in Kirigakure. He was always following orders. That's his niche. He's not the leader type.

And, when did Kisame kill his previous partners..? As far as we know, Itachi was his first.

case it hasn't been stated/said already: his comrads were those he was chilling with before entering Akutski

 

[Europa]

Yeah that's if kisame realized his in a genjutsu.

And as for samehada disrupting kisame's chakra flow even then it doesnt make it a absolute counter.

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As you can see the highlighted word, POSSIBLE doesn't mean absolute so samehada may still not even work.

Hmm, interesting point. But as for the first part. Obviously Kisame can do this at the start of the battle. Having samehada drain minimal amounts and then cycle it back in. Not that hard.

As for the Genjutsu page you presented, well. At that point, who's to be able to clearly tell what Genjutsu Samehada could or couldn't break..? It'd come down to speculation.

 

[Europa]

case it hasn't been stated/said already: his comrads were those he was chilling with before entering Akutski

That was a mission, not because they were weaker than he.

 

[blazekev90]

Maybe in a paralysis genjutsu. A genjutsu that distorts reality like the one Diedara was in Kisame might not even know he's in a genjutsu to begin with until it's to late.

That was an inexperienced Deidara who knew nothing about genjutsu. Kisame on the othet hand is very aware of genjutsu and Itachi's tactics

 

[Stark]

Kisame already admitted inferiority

This .

 

[itachi4real]

Lets discuss

Amaterasu

There might be a possibility that Amaterasu can be fed on by Kisame's sword, I'm not sure, but probably not. If itachi aims his Amaterasu on Kisame's body other than his sword, then Kisame has lost.

Round one: Itachi > Kisame

Tsukyomi/Genjutsu

Kisame doesn't excel at taijutsu like gai does, therefore it'll be unlikely for him to fight itachi by judging his movement based on itachi's body positioning and trajectory. In fact, if he even looks at Itachi's finger, he'll be in a Genjutsu. However Kisame's sword could probably bring him back from the genjutsu, not tsukuyomi. Therefore if kisame is looking at itachi chin below, he wont be able to tell if he's using amaterasu or anything like that.

Round 2: Itachi > Kisame.

Susano + Yata Mirror + Totsuka Blade

Kisame hasn't got anything in his arsenal capable of going through a susano ribcage, never mind Yata mirror. Totsuka blade is an overkill.

Round 3: Itachi > Kisame



I don't know why this has become a heated discussion, but based on feats and hype, Itachi godstomps Kisame, thus why Kisame has been seen as itachi's partner, not the other way around.​

Exactly!!!!!!!!

 

[Disquiet]

You seem to miss the point. Is having the chakra torn from you not different from naturally having chakra depleted? And, once more. This can all occur prior to a genjutsu takes place. Kisame knows all about Itachi's talents in Genjutsu and would take the means to prevent falling in it.

No I understand it perfectly. "Torn", that's not what's happening. His chakra would just be getting drained through the chakra system, no different from when executing a jutsu or having sharingan activated.

It doesn't matter if he sets it up before. It's no different than natural depletion. It wouldn't prevent Itachi from casting a genutsu on him.

 

[slaton02]

But he wasnt hit with tsukuyomi...if he was hit with tsukuyomi bee would be done....now its just like u said samehada is a living creature soooo tell me how does he absorb ama when its not chakra??

I believe it was, Bee was in a whole different world floating(red and black). normal genjutsu doesn't do that, like the one on Danzo he was still in the real world but seen Itachi in front of him(no red an black) like other genjutsu. what happen to bee it was Tsukuyomi. Yes it is and even if it wasn't Kisame's sensing ablitly would let him know it's coming like Obito and he do waterwall encampment.

 

[Europa]

No I understand it perfectly. "Torn", that's not what's happening. His chakra would just be getting drained through the chakra system, no different from when executing a jutsu or having sharingan activated.

It doesn't matter if he sets it up before. It's no different than natural depletion. It wouldn't prevent Itachi from casting a genutsu on him.

And the process of returning the chakra back to Kisame wouldn't that break him free? Or, all in all prevent Kisame from falling in one if a process were to be continuous.

 

[itachi4real]

I believe it was, Bee was in a whole different world floating(red and black). normal genjutsu doesn't do that, like the one on Danzo he was still in the real world but seen Itachi in front of him(no red an black) like other genjutsu. what happen to bee it was Tsukuyomi. Yes it is and even if it wasn't Kisame's sensing ablitly would let him know it's coming like Obito and he do waterwall encampment.

If it was dont u think bee would have suffered some kind of damage/pain just like how sasuke was against itachi?

 

[HNIC]

Just to put this out there....Amaterasu can't burn through water, let alone chakra enhanced water.

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Here Kisame performs a jutsu arguably faster than the initial amaterasu, considering its prep. This also alone Kisame to to perform jutsu protected from amaterasu

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[Itachi Edo]

[video=youtube;7GuOLqb_UqM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GuOLqb_UqM[/video]

Peep the end. Itachi didn't even have to look at him directly and he could have scored the kill.

 

[slaton02]

Lets discuss

Amaterasu

There might be a possibility that Amaterasu can be fed on by Kisame's sword, I'm not sure, but probably not. If itachi aims his Amaterasu on Kisame's body other than his sword, then Kisame has lost.

Round one: Itachi > Kisame

Tsukyomi/Genjutsu

Kisame doesn't excel at taijutsu like gai does, therefore it'll be unlikely for him to fight itachi by judging his movement based on itachi's body positioning and trajectory. In fact, if he even looks at Itachi's finger, he'll be in a Genjutsu. However Kisame's sword could probably bring him back from the genjutsu, not tsukuyomi. Therefore if kisame is looking at itachi chin below, he wont be able to tell if he's using amaterasu or anything like that.

Round 2: Itachi > Kisame.

Susano + Yata Mirror + Totsuka Blade

Kisame hasn't got anything in his arsenal capable of going through a susano ribcage, never mind Yata mirror. Totsuka blade is an overkill.

Round 3: Itachi > Kisame



I don't know why this has become a heated discussion, but based on feats and hype, Itachi godstomps Kisame, thus why Kisame has been seen as itachi's partner, not the other way around.​

BS we have already counterd those, not once has anyone countered Kisame's. How does Itachi deal with 1000 sharks? Waterdome? GSB? Sharkdance? and let's not for get Itachi dies after 4 MS moves and with Kisame absorbing his chakra it's even less.

case it hasn't been stated/said already: his comrads were those he was chilling with before entering Akutski

That was a mission+ we are talking about his akatsuki teammates

 

[Exaar]

Susano + Yata Mirror + Totsuka Blade

Kisame hasn't got anything in his arsenal capable of going through a susano ribcage, never mind Yata mirror. Totsuka blade is an overkill.

Round 3: Itachi > Kisame



I don't know why this has become a heated discussion, but based on feats and hype, Itachi godstomps Kisame, thus why Kisame has been seen as itachi's partner, not the other way around.​

Actually he does. Susanoo is nothing more than a manifestation of the users chakra.

Samehada can eat through susanoo, Samehada fused with kisame can eat through susanoo, Giant shark bullet absorbs susanoo and uses it to power up the shark bullet.

If kisame traps itachi in his giant waterdome itachi is done for. Amaterasu/Tsukuyomi nor susanoo will work well while he is underwater.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Personally I believe he could put Itachi in critical condition.

 

[slaton02]

If it was dont u think bee would have suffered some kind of damage/pain just like how sasuke was against itachi?

He broke it almost instantly so no

Just to put this out there....Amaterasu can't burn through water, let alone chakra enhanced water.

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Here Kisame performs a jutsu arguably faster than the initial amaterasu, considering its prep. This also alone Kisame to to perform jutsu protected from amaterasu

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Thanks for getting a page I been saying this but they just deny deny deny.