Can BSM Naruto defeat Obito? (not jubito)

[Champ]

Obito wins

 

[Naijakid]

Yes any form of Obito get fodderize

 

[Minator93]

The Only Obito Naruto's beating is the Pre-MS Obito U_U

Obito's skill is something that Naruto has no answers for U_U

Uchiha Kaenjin = GG Naruto

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

We all know how SM works:

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This is very important: after entering SM, the atributes of the user get a serious power up(strength, durability, speed, etc)

Now, let's understand what happens in BSM. Naruto is in BM, and then, he enters sage mode. Kurama's chackra can sync perfectly with senjutsu chakra. Naruto enters BSM.
In this situation, it's easy to see that, for BSM, Naruto BM acts as a base form. What does this mean? It means that BSM is an amplified version of the BM, all the atributes were increased, as it is how the SM works.

SM was portrayed as a multiplier, increasing the user's atributes in proportions. In this case:

Naruto BSM/ Naruto BM= Naruto SM/ Naruto base form= X. X is the constant of multiplication of the SM, the multiplying factor of the SM.
So you multiply by X thr atributes of the base form, in this case, naruto BM is a base form to BSM.

As kurama's chakra managed to sync perfectly with the SM, being in BM doesn't prevent the multiplying factor to be applied.

Another thing people say is: "Ah, but kurama comes from juubi, so it's natural energy, so it doesn't increase the power". That's a mistake. The bijuu chakras clearly changed from when they were the juubi, and from when they were natural energy. Bijuu chakra=/= natural energy and =/= senjutsu chakra.
The proof is that naruto needed to enter SM to affect obito, even while in KCM and BM. And even juugo's sage chakra from his sage transformation, that is an incomplete SM, could do it. So, kurama's chakra is very different from senjutsu chakra and from natural energy.

That means that the multiplier is still aplied.

So, BSM is much more faster, stronger, powerfull, with better reflexes and improved sensor skills.

Adding sage mode to bm is like adding super saiyan 1 to super saiyan god. It's IRRELEVANT! Sm strength is nothing compared to bm strength chakra or ANYTHING. Sm only 1up on bm is sensing which bm already has. I don't need to read that wall of text to understand that. Let me explain this so you can understand better. Bm is already so much stronger than sm that the strength sm gives naruto is almost unchanged. If KURAMA went sage mode then there would be a real difference.

 

[Wolfus]

Adding sage mode to bm is like adding super saiyan 1 to super saiyan god. It's IRRELEVANT! Sm strength is nothing compared to bm strength chakra or ANYTHING. Sm only 1up on bm is sensing which bm already has. I don't need to read that wall of text to understand that. Let me explain this so you can understand better. Bm is already so much stronger than sm that the strength sm gives naruto is almost unchanged. If KURAMA went sage mode then there would be a real difference.

You're wrong.That doesn't make a difference. If you had read the "wall of text", you'd understand. When naruto enters SM in BM, naruto is in sync with all of kurama's chakra. BM acts like a base form to BSM. Naruto gathers natural energy to make the balance with all that chakra, his plus kurama's.
With this explained, and considering the multiplier effect of the SM:
Naruto BSM/ Naruto BM= Naruto SM/ Naruto base form= X. X is the constant of multiplication of the SM, the multiplying factor of the SM.
So you multiply by X thr atributes of the base form, in this case, naruto BM is a base form to BSM.

BSM is much more faster, stronger, powerfull, with better reflexes and improved sensor skills.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Juubi Jin Obito > BSM Naruto > Rinnegan Obito > BM Naruto > MS Obito > KCM Naruto.

BSM Naruto > Any Obito form except Juubi Jinchurki

What Naruto need to deal with Kamui are: foot speed, reaction time(The most important), Sensing/tracking ability and also enough powerfull attack to harm him. Now let's see why BSM Naruto reach these requirements while BM and KCM fail to do that.

BSM Naruto vs any non Jinchurki form Obito:

Foot speed: BSM Naruto
Reaction time: BSM Naruto
Sensing ability: BSM Naruto
Offensive attack to land blow on Obito: Frog Katas/combined with Chakra arms... or TBB enhanced with nature energy if Obito was caught off-guard.

BM Naruto lacks: Offensive attack to land blow on Obito and Reaction time

KCM Naruto: Offensive attack to land blow on Obito and Reaction time

Summary: BSM Naruto wins

 

[Da Best Ever]

1- I can barely understand you. So learn to type.

2- Almost took down by a rasengan. He has senju DNA, but that doesn't make him a tank.

3- Hell no. Tsunade, sakura, Naruto SM, raikages, all of these are physically stronger.

4- Yeah, ok

5- Saying "lol, manga facts" only makes you look like an idiot. How about you used manga logic, huh? Obito has to touch naruto to warp him. Naruto can sense danger and evil and chakra, in a lvl that he could follow juubito's movement perfectly.
With this, he can avoid obito in the right time, as he has the speed do it, and then, while obito is vunerable, he can hit him in the right time.
It's called logic, give it a try.

ima bout start talking shit, i dtn have any spelling errors, its typing so its obvious eligible, im not putting periods and spacing paragraphs is that what your *****ing about...u need to quit trying to distract me or yourself because your the one who hasnt proved anything yet other than what sm does which is minor to the overall topic of this debate...and kcm naruto was able to sense evil and bm can as well since the source of that power comes from the same place( the kyuubi)...there's your logic

and manga facts are whats real even if we declare naruto or obito stronger than the other it still isnt a fact...what u need to realize is all were stating are opinions but u seem to think your opinion is a fact...lol bsm naruto still couldnt touch Juubuito so what are u saying..the point of this is naruto cant touch obito u saying naruto could follow his movements by being in bsm means nothing since naruto needed help help help to hit him...at the end of the day the best manga fact for this debate is every time naruto hit obito it was because he had help if u want to not believe that or ignore it then idk what to tell u, u are going to think what u want im not mad at that thats the individuality of a person, your entitles to your own beliefs but u are wrong in why u think naruto would win...all u just said was all naruto has to do is blah blah avoid obito blah blah and hit him at the right time...

oh yea sm doesnt give u the best reflexes...kcm naruto failed to be able to hit the 3rd raikage so he changed to sm when he got in sm his speed did not increase his reflexes increased and when his reflexes increased it was pure reflexes that allowed him to ultimate dodge and hit the raikage hand back into himself...my point is sm didnt make naruto the fastest shinobi it was kcm way back when naruto avoided A's attack and, sm increases reflexes along with strength as physical attributes go and my point again is sm isnt the best reflexes ms sasuke dodged A's attack while going blind the same way sm naruto dodged the 3rd raikage's attack...now sasuke has ems and not going blind he can do that easy now why i mentioned tha is because itachi has ms and his mission was to spy on akatsuki and ultimately protect the village well itachi knew of obito(madara he thought) since obito helped massacre the clan and even though his mission was to spy on akatsuki and protect the village he never ever once challenged obito( madara he thought) even though by your logic had the reflexes to avoid kamui...

 

[Da Best Ever]

You're wrong.That doesn't make a difference. If you had read the "wall of text", you'd understand. When naruto enters SM in BM, naruto is in sync with all of kurama's chakra. BM acts like a base form to BSM. Naruto gathers natural energy to make the balance with all that chakra, his plus kurama's.
With this explained, and considering the multiplier effect of the SM:
Naruto BSM/ Naruto BM= Naruto SM/ Naruto base form= X. X is the constant of multiplication of the SM, the multiplying factor of the SM.
So you multiply by X thr atributes of the base form, in this case, naruto BM is a base form to BSM.

BSM is much more faster, stronger, powerfull, with better reflexes and improved sensor skills.

im not arguing anything that sm has to offer im arguing how u use it to defeat obito which is wrong u still fail to acknowledge only a s/t user has ever hit by themselves...every form of obito that has faced naruto has only been hit by naruto via help from a s/t user manga fact your logic is not facts its an opinion so treat is as such an not try to make it a fact

 

[Da Best Ever]

damn im good.........

 

[Wolfus]

ima bout start talking shit, i dtn have any spelling errors, its typing so its obvious eligible, im not putting periods and spacing paragraphs is that what your *****ing about...u need to quit trying to distract me or yourself because your the one who hasnt proved anything yet other than what sm does which is minor to the overall topic of this debate...and kcm naruto was able to sense evil and bm can as well since the source of that power comes from the same place( the kyuubi)...there's your logic

and manga facts are whats real even if we declare naruto or obito stronger than the other it still isnt a fact...what u need to realize is all were stating are opinions but u seem to think your opinion is a fact...lol bsm naruto still couldnt touch Juubuito so what are u saying..the point of this is naruto cant touch obito u saying naruto could follow his movements by being in bsm means nothing since naruto needed help help help to hit him...at the end of the day the best manga fact for this debate is every time naruto hit obito it was because he had help if u want to not believe that or ignore it then idk what to tell u, u are going to think what u want im not mad at that thats the individuality of a person, your entitles to your own beliefs but u are wrong in why u think naruto would win...all u just said was all naruto has to do is blah blah avoid obito blah blah and hit him at the right time...

oh yea sm doesnt give u the best reflexes...kcm naruto failed to be able to hit the 3rd raikage so he changed to sm when he got in sm his speed did not increase his reflexes increased and when his reflexes increased it was pure reflexes that allowed him to ultimate dodge and hit the raikage hand back into himself...my point is sm didnt make naruto the fastest shinobi it was kcm way back when naruto avoided A's attack and, sm increases reflexes along with strength as physical attributes go and my point again is sm isnt the best reflexes ms sasuke dodged A's attack while going blind the same way sm naruto dodged the 3rd raikage's attack...now sasuke has ems and not going blind he can do that easy now why i mentioned tha is because itachi has ms and his mission was to spy on akatsuki and ultimately protect the village well itachi knew of obito(madara he thought) since obito helped massacre the clan and even though his mission was to spy on akatsuki and protect the village he never ever once challenged obito( madara he thought) even though by your logic had the reflexes to avoid kamui...

1- Naruto in BSM can sense evil and danger better. The one who didn't prove anything is you.

2- Bla bla bla. You know what makes the difference? Arguments, evidence, logic. Opinions are not fact. For a debate, you use logic, you gather evidence, proof and logic to back up your idea, and that's what put you closer to being correct. You were disproved, however, you'rel still repeating the same thing.

3- I'm nto gonna post it again.. I already proved that SM improves everything. If you can't accept it, then don't reply, unless you disprove me.

 

[Wolfus]

im not arguing anything that sm has to offer im arguing how u use it to defeat obito which is wrong u still fail to acknowledge only a s/t user has ever hit by themselves...every form of obito that has faced naruto has only been hit by naruto via help from a s/t user manga fact your logic is not facts its an opinion so treat is as such an not try to make it a fact

No, it's not. Differently from you, I backed up my idea with logic, evidences and arguments, You didn't.
I already explained how the sensor skills and the improved speed will help naruto in defeating obito. You didn't counter it. You just stated the same random BS alread disprove. So, get arguments or shut up, kid.

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

No, the wood dragon turned into many trees, then he and bee could break loose out of the wood.

Wood dragon solos naruto it ate his bijuu mode and then went for from killer bee until it could not consume any more chakra.

 

[Drakengard]

Can we at least agree that if he absorbs a clone, it's game over for Obito?

 

[Da Best Ever]

Jiraya had incomplete SM. thats why. In SM, naruto speed increased. You didn't disprove me.

no the only difference was jiraiya couldnt go into the form himself he needed the elder toad sages to help him, once in that mode there is no difference in ability, had there been an increase in foot speed naruto would have never been captured by deva pain but instead he was and needed the aid of intel/3 giant toads/2 toad sages/tsunade/hinata/kyubbi to save his life

and u didnt disprove what i said either about only s/t users have hit obito unaided...

 

[Da Best Ever]

Can we at least agree that if he absorbs a clone, it's game over for Obito?

yea but obito is smart enough to knw not to absorb any jutsu from bsm naruto...he is arguably one of the smartest shinobi ever and most strategical and manipulating and he knws about every jutsu he has come in contact with and if he has not seen it he has knowledge of it

 

[Wolfus]

no the only difference was jiraiya couldnt go into the form himself he needed the elder toad sages to help him, once in that mode there is no difference in ability, had there been an increase in foot speed naruto would have never been captured by deva pain but instead he was and needed the aid of intel/3 giant toads/2 toad sages/tsunade/hinata/kyubbi to save his life

and u didnt disprove what i said either about only s/t users have hit obito unaided...

Yeah, it a makes a diffence. Learn to learn the manga. Or even read the scan I posted. The frog states that everything gets a major power up.
In SM, he was much faster than in his base form, and much more stronger. Learn to read the manga, kid.

 

[Wolfus]

Wood dragon solos naruto it ate his bijuu mode and then went for from killer bee until it could not consume any more chakra.

His bijuu mode was compressed, but the wood dragon had turned into a tree, and then easily destroyed.

 

[Da Best Ever]

No, it's not. Differently from you, I backed up my idea with logic, evidences and arguments, You didn't.
I already explained how the sensor skills and the improved speed will help naruto in defeating obito. You didn't counter it. You just stated the same random BS alread disprove. So, get arguments or shut up, kid.

logic, evidence, arguments, where??? im looking....u have your logic which is an opinion(that u think is a fact), your evidence only comes from how sm works which is minor to this debate, and im probably older than u...and all u said was sm does this and that u didnt disprove anything in fact i never even said anything but s/t is the only thing that has hit obito any form u still cant counter even that the slightest bit, your so full of yourself u cant even admit that your just typing opinions...

 

[Wolfus]

logic, evidence, arguments, where??? im looking....u have your logic which is an opinion(that u think is a fact), your evidence only comes from how sm works which is minor to this debate, and im probably older than u...and all u said was sm does this and that u didnt disprove anything in fact i never even said anything but s/t is the only thing that has hit obito any form u still cant counter even that the slightest bit, your so full of yourself u cant even admit that your just typing opinions...

Yeah, I gave evidence, you idiot. Learn to read my posts. I explained, more than once, more than twice, how the SM mechanism can help naruto winning the battle.
I explained perfectly how naruto would use the speed, the reflex, the sensor skills,a nd the clones to win the battle.

I explained it, I gathered evidence for it, I used logic.

And what did you do? All you said is "ah, kamui is s/t, obito can be beat by only another s/t, mabga fact, ahhh, so retarted, manga fact". You're the one using your opinion as fact, or better yet, as a "manga fact, duhhhhh, so retarted".
You didn't even counter my explanation, which I'm not posting again.

 

[Bronze]

Obito will always be stronger than Nardo.