This is very important: after entering SM, the atributes of the user get a serious power up(strength, durability, speed, etc)
Now, let's understand what happens in BSM. Naruto is in BM, and then, he enters sage mode. Kurama's chackra can sync perfectly with senjutsu chakra. Naruto enters BSM.
In this situation, it's easy to see that, for BSM, Naruto BM acts as a base form. What does this mean? It means that BSM is an amplified version of the BM, all the atributes were increased, as it is how the SM works.
SM was portrayed as a multiplier, increasing the user's atributes in proportions. In this case:
Naruto BSM/ Naruto BM= Naruto SM/ Naruto base form= X. X is the constant of multiplication of the SM, the multiplying factor of the SM.
So you multiply by X thr atributes of the base form, in this case, naruto BM is a base form to BSM.
As kurama's chakra managed to sync perfectly with the SM, being in BM doesn't prevent the multiplying factor to be applied.
Another thing people say is: "Ah, but kurama comes from juubi, so it's natural energy, so it doesn't increase the power". That's a mistake. The bijuu chakras clearly changed from when they were the juubi, and from when they were natural energy. Bijuu chakra=/= natural energy and =/= senjutsu chakra.
The proof is that naruto needed to enter SM to affect obito, even while in KCM and BM. And even juugo's sage chakra from his sage transformation, that is an incomplete SM, could do it. So, kurama's chakra is very different from senjutsu chakra and from natural energy.
That means that the multiplier is still aplied.
So, BSM is much more faster, stronger, powerfull, with better reflexes and improved sensor skills.
no sm user had great foot speed, jiriaya was slow as hell in sm only his relfexes were enhanced other than his strength out of all the physical attributes...he need sm to hit Juubtio not rinnegan obito their is a big difference(juubito cant use kamui) and u made that reference for what reason??? because last i checked even while in BSM naruto still need help to touch obito and what helped him??? a s/t jutsu which is instant and as long as naruto doesnt have a s/t jutsu he cant touch obito...manga proof is that all s/t users are the only ones to ever hit obito unaided naruto doesnt fall into that group...like i said i knw u want everyone to believe naruto could win this but he cant
No people are ignorant bsm is almost literally just bijuu mode with better sensing it has no feats to suggest otherwise. If the frog kata was useable against juubito he would have used it when he nearly hit him with his tail. Obito solos pretty much anyone 1v1. Speed doesn't matter against kamui. Sensing doesn't matter either neither does narutos physical attacks. What narutards don't understand is that there is multiple ways of fighting someone faster than you especially when you have a defensive advantage. Naruto can keep bsm up for about 8 minutes obito does not have to go for the kill immediately he can just stall until nardo runs out of chakra. Kamuis five minute rule only is applicable if he is using it CONSTANTLY. Obito can just wait until nardo runs out and then he is easy pickings for a one shot.
its obvious u would like everyone to believe naruto could win but that aint happening...and using clones to help u say??? if naruto thought clones would help him beat obito then he would have been used them no amount of clones are going to beat obito...and sm doesnt increase speed it increases perception making your reflexes greater and bm naruto was already the fastest shinobi in history next to minato but yet he still couldnt hit obito on his own and now he has that increased reflexes still wont be able to hit obito...and u saying naruto can sense evil is irrelevant because naruto could already do that in kcm earlier in the war if sensing obito was possible then naruto would have done that along time ago...and kamui is a s/t jutsu he erases his existence completely(which is just more like going to the other dimension but to everyone else he is gone) and not only can he not be sensed but when he has warped back to reality it is instant and no amount of reflexes would help naruto avoid being warped right at his face...this is a bad match up for naruto and for most shinobi and naruto has all this explosive power and obito has none, which is a testament to skill over jutsu
Bold is wrong, and I just proved why. If you're gonna reply, at least try to keep it logical, and speak english correctly.
Ok, 1 - Clones are helpful. Why? Because a BM clone was standing up to obito while naruto and bee were fighting madara. All BM, KCM and SM clones are very fast and powerful, so they are useful for atacking, for distracting, and to help in combos. This is logic in battle.
2- Sensory skills help a lot. In SM, naruto can sense danger. In KCM and BM, he can sense evil. No he has it combined, with much more speed and reflex. He can sense the right time when obito is about to catch him, and hit him right there, as he would be vunerable. He could even have clones to assist him with that, as I said earlier.
Obito has to touch naruto to warp him, which is obvious for those that, unlike you, paid attention to the manga. Again, naruto has a counter for it, as displayed in iten 2.
3- Power. Obito is not very resistant. Some rasengans can take him down, or a mini bijuu dama, which BM naruto could instantly do.
Its the other way actually, 1 vs 1 Obito doesn't stand a chance. Only way he stands a chance is if he has his lil edo army with him. Though Naruto can then call on shinobi from his side to help out. So Naruto in the end is superior.
Its the other way actually, 1 vs 1 Obito doesn't stand a chance. Only way he stands a chance is if he has his lil edo army with him. Though Naruto can then call on shinobi from his side to help out. So Naruto in the end is superior.
u are absolutely right with the categories but u failed to put s/t jutsu in that...only s/t users have ever hit obito(any form) naruto in bsm faced juubito who was much slower than a s/t jutsu and still needed help to hit obito by an s/t user
and damn near every high level shinboi has obito beat in those categories and if u believe what just typed then u believe
no sm user had great foot speed, jiriaya was slow as hell in sm only his relfexes were enhanced other than his strength out of all the physical attributes...he need sm to hit Juubtio not rinnegan obito their is a big difference(juubito cant use kamui) and u made that reference for what reason??? because last i checked even while in BSM naruto still need help to touch obito and what helped him??? a s/t jutsu which is instant and as long as naruto doesnt have a s/t jutsu he cant touch obito...manga proof is that all s/t users are the only ones to ever hit obito unaided naruto doesnt fall into that group...like i said i knw u want everyone to believe naruto could win this but he cant
u are absolutely right with the categories but u failed to put s/t jutsu in that...only s/t users have ever hit obito(any form) naruto in bsm faced juubito who was much slower than a s/t jutsu and still needed help to hit obito by an s/t user
and damn near every high level shinboi has obito beat in those categories and if u believe what just typed then u believe
Its the other way actually, 1 vs 1 Obito doesn't stand a chance. Only way he stands a chance is if he has his lil edo army with him. Though Naruto can then call on shinobi from his side to help out. So Naruto in the end is superior.
Offense: I agree. Naruto Busts mountains. But to Obito, its useless, Kamui right through his attacks.
Defense: Obito> Naruto. Obito has been hit and has been able to recover fast from it (Kakashi's hits, Naruto's headbut and rasengan) When we see Naruto take hits like that, he takes a lil while to get back on his feet.
Chakra: After summoning the Gedo Mazo, controlling multiple Bijuu and Jinchuuriki, using Kamui and other jutsu, and physically combating Naruto, Kakashi, Gai, Killerbee/8tails, Controlling the Juubi, he didnt show a single sign of tiredness, or fatigue. I say Obito's chakra is more than Naruto's.
Brute Power: I agree, but in the face of Kamui, it is meaningless, as Obito has shown countless times.
Bigger Arsenal: Obito's arsenal is enough to overpower and get around Naruto's. Kamui pretty much solos most of Naruto's attacks, and his largescale fireballs do the job. Not to mention if Naruto gets lucky enough to land a deadly blow, since this is MS Obito, he can use Izanagi. Good luck Naruto in thinking of a new strategy.
No people are ignorant bsm is almost literally just bijuu mode with better sensing it has no feats to suggest otherwise. If the frog kata was useable against juubito he would have used it when he nearly hit him with his tail. Obito solos pretty much anyone 1v1. Speed doesn't matter against kamui. Sensing doesn't matter either neither does narutos physical attacks. What narutards don't understand is that there is multiple ways of fighting someone faster than you especially when you have a defensive advantage. Naruto can keep bsm up for about 8 minutes obito does not have to go for the kill immediately he can just stall until nardo runs out of chakra. Kamuis five minute rule only is applicable if he is using it CONSTANTLY. Obito can just wait until nardo runs out and then he is easy pickings for a one shot.
This is very important: after entering SM, the atributes of the user get a serious power up(strength, durability, speed, etc)
Now, let's understand what happens in BSM. Naruto is in BM, and then, he enters sage mode. Kurama's chackra can sync perfectly with senjutsu chakra. Naruto enters BSM.
In this situation, it's easy to see that, for BSM, Naruto BM acts as a base form. What does this mean? It means that BSM is an amplified version of the BM, all the atributes were increased, as it is how the SM works.
SM was portrayed as a multiplier, increasing the user's atributes in proportions. In this case:
Naruto BSM/ Naruto BM= Naruto SM/ Naruto base form= X. X is the constant of multiplication of the SM, the multiplying factor of the SM.
So you multiply by X thr atributes of the base form, in this case, naruto BM is a base form to BSM.
As kurama's chakra managed to sync perfectly with the SM, being in BM doesn't prevent the multiplying factor to be applied.
Another thing people say is: "Ah, but kurama comes from juubi, so it's natural energy, so it doesn't increase the power". That's a mistake. The bijuu chakras clearly changed from when they were the juubi, and from when they were natural energy. Bijuu chakra=/= natural energy and =/= senjutsu chakra.
The proof is that naruto needed to enter SM to affect obito, even while in KCM and BM. And even juugo's sage chakra from his sage transformation, that is an incomplete SM, could do it. So, kurama's chakra is very different from senjutsu chakra and from natural energy.
That means that the multiplier is still aplied.
So, BSM is much more faster, stronger, powerfull, with better reflexes and improved sensor skills.
Offense: I agree. Naruto Busts mountains. But to Obito, its useless, Kamui right through his attacks.
Defense: Obito> Naruto. Obito has been hit and has been able to recover fast from it (Kakashi's hits, Naruto's headbut and rasengan) When we see Naruto take hits like that, he takes a lil while to get back on his feet.
Chakra: After summoning the Gedo Mazo, controlling multiple Bijuu and Jinchuuriki, using Kamui and other jutsu, and physically combating Naruto, Kakashi, Gai, Killerbee/8tails, Controlling the Juubi, he didnt show a single sign of tiredness, or fatigue. I say Obito's chakra is more than Naruto's.
Brute Power: I agree, but in the face of Kamui, it is meaningless, as Obito has shown countless times.
Bigger Arsenal: Obito's arsenal is enough to overpower and get around Naruto's. Kamui pretty much solos most of Naruto's attacks, and his largescale fireballs do the job. Not to mention if Naruto gets lucky enough to land a deadly blow, since this is MS Obito, he can use Izanagi. Good luck Naruto in thinking of a new strategy.
Kamui can be countered in so many ways.. its not even that powerful anymore.
cool he can recover fast.. only problem is its pointless if you get stabbed and run out of chakra.. well obito wasn't the one who had been fighting 6 tailed beasts, so of course naruto will take a while to get back on his feet..
Chakra: But who said it requires that much chakra?? you are the only one under that assumption.. he was controlling them effortlessly..
Its sad that your best argument is "kamui" a technique that can be shat on by Naruto quite easily.
Bold is wrong, and I just proved why. If you're gonna reply, at least try to keep it logical, and speak english correctly.
Ok, 1 - Clones are helpful. Why? Because a BM clone was standing up to obito while naruto and bee were fighting madara. All BM, KCM and SM clones are very fast and powerful, so they are useful for atacking, for distracting, and to help in combos. This is logic in battle.
2- Sensory skills help a lot. In SM, naruto can sense danger. In KCM and BM, he can sense evil. No he has it combined, with much more speed and reflex. He can sense the right time when obito is about to catch him, and hit him right there, as he would be vunerable. He could even have clones to assist him with that, as I said earlier.
Obito has to touch naruto to warp him, which is obvious for those that, unlike you, paid attention to the manga. Again, naruto has a counter for it, as displayed in iten 2.
3- Power. Obito is not very resistant. Some rasengans can take him down, or a mini bijuu dama, which BM naruto could instantly do.
and first off obito is one of the most durable chacters in nv due to having sneju dna
obito is one of the physically strongest, he snapped torune neck with one hand like a twig
his s/t jutsu is greater than the 4th hokage and the 2nd as stated by minato himself
and so what he has to touch naruto to warp him thats irrelevant because s/t is instant s/t can only be beating by another s/t that is manga fact and another manga fact is obito has only been hit by s/t users naruto is not that so...and u keep saying ms this and that i didnt argue with the actual truth of what sm does im arguing how your using it with this debate saying it and only it will get naruto the win which isnt a manga fact
and first off obito is one of the most durable chacters in nv due to having sneju dna
obito is one of the physically strongest, he snapped torune neck with one hand like a twig
his s/t jutsu is greater than the 4th hokage and the 2nd as stated by minato himself
and so what he has to touch naruto to warp him thats irrelevant because s/t is instant s/t can only be beating by another s/t that is manga fact and another manga fact is obito has only been hit by s/t users naruto is not that so...and u keep saying ms this and that i didnt argue with the actual truth of what sm does im arguing how your using it with this debate saying it and only it will get naruto the win which isnt a manga fact
2- Almost took down by a rasengan. He has senju DNA, but that doesn't make him a tank.
3- Hell no. Tsunade, sakura, Naruto SM, raikages, all of these are physically stronger.
4- Yeah, ok
5- Saying "lol, manga facts" only makes you look like an idiot. How about you used manga logic, huh? Obito has to touch naruto to warp him. Naruto can sense danger and evil and chakra, in a lvl that he could follow juubito's movement perfectly.
With this, he can avoid obito in the right time, as he has the speed do it, and then, while obito is vunerable, he can hit him in the right time.
It's called logic, give it a try.
Kamui can be countered in so many ways.. its not even that powerful anymore.
cool he can recover fast.. only problem is its pointless if you get stabbed and run out of chakra.. well obito wasn't the one who had been fighting 6 tailed beasts, so of course naruto will take a while to get back on his feet..
Chakra: But who said it requires that much chakra?? you are the only one under that assumption.. he was controlling them effortlessly..
Its sad that your best argument is "kamui" a technique that can be shat on by Naruto quite easily.
lol u said kamui can be countered in so many ways llab at u... and only other s/t have counter kamui naruto has no s/t jutsu so...give it up and only 1 shinobi ever counter it which was minato against a very young an inexperienced but im sure when u said that u wasnt talking about manga facts u were saying u have came up with ways to counter it but here your interpretation of things does not override facts...and u 2 were arguing about who has more chakra, well thats not the point, the one who has mastered there techs and use them efficiently with minimal effort is what matters and that at of 2 is obito
. Frog Kumite's inherent abilities would combat an attempted warp the same way Asura tried to dodge and failed against Naruto. While Obito phases, his head will be in the other dimension (as is any other part of his body), and while attempting to warp, Sennin Modo and Senjutsu's effects will still be adjacent to Naruto's body giving him the ability to utilize Frog Kumite. One use of that severely damages and or KO's Obito. Sensing Obito isn't a problem, as the overlapping variables of negative sensing (Kyuubi Chakra Modo), Normal sensing (Bijuu Modo), and Advanced sensing (Sennin Modo) will allow Naruto to be borderline clairvoyant in this case.
Kamui can be countered in so many ways.. its not even that powerful anymore.
cool he can recover fast.. only problem is its pointless if you get stabbed and run out of chakra.. well obito wasn't the one who had been fighting 6 tailed beasts, so of course naruto will take a while to get back on his feet..
Chakra: But who said it requires that much chakra?? you are the only one under that assumption.. he was controlling them effortlessly..
Its sad that your best argument is "kamui" a technique that can be shat on by Naruto quite easily.
