i dnt have to debunk an opinion, u have to debunk a fact(fact>opinion) facts are all that matters when debating what u have is an opinion...what im saying has proof to it like only s/t users have hit obito unaided, what your saying is naruto beats obito because of bsm thats not truth thats an opinion, it hasnt been done...a fact is evidence, u have evidence of what bsm can do not what bsm can do against obito, i have evidence of what obito has done against other forms of naruto and a bus load of other shinobi....
nobody said it, im just saying he is weak compared to alot of marvel chacters...and u must like him for his power because u would have just put a picture of Thor instead of thor with a power up
i dnt have to debunk an opinion, u have to debunk a fact(fact>opinion) facts are all that matters when debating what u have is an opinion...what im saying has proof to it like only s/t users have hit obito unaided, what your saying is naruto beats obito because of bsm thats not truth thats an opinion, it hasnt been done...a fact is evidence, u have evidence of what bsm can do not what bsm can do against obito, i have evidence of what obito has done against other forms of naruto and a bus load of other shinobi....
I didn't gave an opinion. I gave an explanation. I used logic and evidence to back up my idea. That's how you debate. And you didn't debunk it. You had nothing to disprove it. So yeah, you're just a kid who doesn't know how to debate.
You gave no fact, you gave an ssumption based on force interpretation.
Grow up.
nobody said it, im just saying he is weak compared to alot of marvel chacters...and u must like him for his power because u would have just put a picture of Thor instead of thor with a power up
I didn't gave an opinion. I gave an explanation. I used logic and evidence to back up my idea. That's how you debate. And you didn't debunk it. You had nothing to disprove it. So yeah, you're just a kid who doesn't know how to debate.
You gave no fact, you gave an ssumption based on force interpretation.
Grow up.
And still: obito never being hit without s/t is different from obito can't be it.
You're making assumptions based on force interpretation. This proves you wrong. And you still didn't debunk what I said.
You don't know how to debate, kid.
Puls previous manga facts showed otherwise. Konan.
If obito manages to blitz juubito as FTG users did, it just might be too troublesome for him to back w/o FTG or kamui juubito never used.
BSM Naruto > None jinchurki form Obito, Accept and deal with it unless you insist to argue with manga...
Ps. also wolfus already proved you wrong... *cough* Konan. Also Kabuto was no afraid to fight tobi due to kamui but rinnegan.
It should mean something
Thats laughable, in whole war never was obito out of chakra and no1 could put on him pressure enough for 5 min like konan did. What is naruto gonna rain with? TNJ for 5 min, cuz thats all he can do for so long. BSM isnt gonna last longer then half an hour tops(stretching) Obito will outlast him and own in the end.
Kabuto was a fool he didnt fear uchiha bros either, they owned him while holding back. Geez.
Thats laughable, in whole war never was obito out of chakra and no1 could put on him pressure enough for 5 min like konan did. What is naruto gonna rain with? TNJ for 5 min, cuz thats all he can do for so long. BSM isnt gonna last longer then half an hour tops(stretching) Obito will outlast him and own in the end.
Kabuto was a fool he didnt fear uchiha bros either, they owned him while holding back. Geez.
Truth... but it only applies to SM/KCM/BM Naruto but not BSM Naruto as this form was not put to test against Pre Juubi Jin Obito. BSM Naruto can anticipate him and finish him before Obito will activate his Kamui. Of course Obito can outlast him... but that is only his chance if BSM Naruto could not land blow on him. In fact that is not case as BSM Naruto has all abilities and tools to land blow on Obito and damage him at least before his time limit run out. Actually unlucky of Obito almost everything BSM Naruto uses can end certain death for Obito.
Kabuto may be was fool but still he did not fear to fight against MS Obito(when they met for first time). Looks like he has some info how to deal with Kamui.
Geez... is only word you are gonna use to cover your disability to prove me wrong, well seems legit.
Anyway I already explained how BSM Naruto wins and noone countered, so for now it still stands:
So Obito make himself weaker/less skilled or more vunerable after becoming Ten tails host, is that what you want to say ? funny
How stupid of you Obito to wanted becoming Ten tails host in first place...
you just made laugh of yourself, because clearly the manga shows otherwise.
Kamui is S/T juubi obito was trolled by it quite a few times. If we take out kamui from juubito, normal obito can just warp him. It a canonical outcome of the manga as S/T are that hax.
Truth... but it only applies to SM/KCM/BM Naruto but not BSM Naruto as this form was not put to test against Pre Juubi Jin Obito. BSM Naruto can anticipate him and finish him before Obito will activate his Kamui. Of course Obito can outlast him... but that is only his chance if BSM Naruto could not land blow on him. In fact that is not case as BSM Naruto has all abilities and tools to land blow on Obito and damage him at least before his time limit run out. Actually unlucky of Obito almost everything BSM Naruto uses can end certain death for Obito.
Im sorry if Juubi jin is susceptible to S/T blitz, BSM naruto is even more so. You just pulled "oh but its different" out of your ass. No naruto cant anticipate a shit here, if juubi jin cant.
Kabuto may be was fool but still he did not fear to fight against MS Obito(when they met for first time). Looks like he has some info how to deal with Kamui.
Did you counter me on how will BSM outlast obito? Can naruto make 600 billions of something to constantly attack obito for 5 min? Still day dreaming of naruto? You explained nothing, you wrote your own wishful plot with desired outcome.
Kamui is S/T juubi obito was trolled by it quite a few times. If we take out kamui from juubito, normal obito can just warp him. It a canonical outcome of the manga as S/T are that hax.
Im sorry if Juubi jin is susceptible to S/T blitz, BSM naruto is even more so. You just pulled "oh but its different" out of your ass. No naruto cant anticipate a shit here, if juubi jin cant.
How exactly would kabuto a pressure on obito for 5 min? Doesnt his SM have a limit as well.
You didnt prove me wrong, you made lots of assumption that BSM naruto is what it takes now, its clearly not.
Did you counter me on how will BSM outlast obito? Can naruto make 600 billions of something to constantly attack obito for 5 min? Still day dreaming of naruto? You explained nothing, you wrote your own wishful plot with desired outcome.
^^ Juubi Jin Obito was able to anticipate/sense incomming Amaterasu and react to it very fast as we know that Amaterasu appear almost instantly...
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^^ Tobirama just appeared behind Obito.. and Obito already sensed him and moved his head towards him.
Then Obito was distracted by spoting Minato appearing from nowhere in front of Sasuke and Naruto holding spiraling orb with wind blades coated by black flames. Obito almost instatnly spot Minato appearing as it was short moment. This Minato's action allowed for Obito to be distracted and pull away his attention from Tobirama while spoting Minato.
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^^ Tobirama even prove it further... "he was distracted" while he put his arm on Obito's back... Obito already sense him moving and react to him.
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^^ Obito was able to sense Tobirama in split of second when he appeared but failed to react... but this is only one example where he failed.
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^^ Obito failed to react to FTG... but again was very close as he has "!" mark just moment later... so anyway he is very fast.
If Juubi Jin Obito was able to anticipate Tobirama or Minato using FTG... but just get distracted by attacking from many sides at the same time... then BSM Naruto has also chance to pull win against No Host Obito. Whether you like it or no.
Besides Naruto is still new to BSM... and he will get better and better acustomed to using this mode with flow of time. When he will master that mode then it will be no doubt that No host Obito has no chance.
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^^ Naruto and Sasuke could react to Juubi Jin Obito's speed and reaction that is impressive. BSM Naruto won't get wrapped... and No host Obito has nothing on him.
BSM Naruto has chance to win as Obito has... but BSM Naruto wins this 6/10 of times at least.
^^ Juubi Jin Obito was able to anticipate/sense incomming Amaterasu and react to it very fast as we know that Amaterasu appear almost instantly...
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^^ Tobirama just appeared behind Obito.. and Obito already sensed him and moved his head towards him.
Then Obito was distracted by spoting Minato appearing from nowhere in front of Sasuke and Naruto holding spiraling orb with wind blades coated by black flames. Obito almost instantly spot Minato appearing as it was short moment. This Minato's action allowed for Obito to be distracted and pull away his attention from Tobirama while spoting Minato.
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^^ Tobirama even prove it further... "he was distracted" while he put his arm on Obito's back... Obito already sense him moving and react to him.
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^^ Obito was able to sense Tobirama in split of second when he appeared but failed to react... but this is only one example where he failed.
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^^ Obito failed to react to FTG... but again was very close as he has "!" mark just moment later... so anyway he is very fast.
If Juubi Jin Obito was able to anticipate Tobirama or Minato using FTG... but just get distracted by attacking from many sides at the same time... then BSM Naruto has also chance to pull win against No Host Obito. Whether you like it or no.
Besides Naruto is still new to BSM... and he will get better and better acustomed to using this mode with flow of time. When he will master that mode then it will be no doubt that No host Obito has no chance.
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^^ Naruto and Sasuke could react to Juubi Jin Obito's speed and reaction that is impressive. BSM Naruto won't get wrapped... and No host Obito has nothing on him.
BSM Naruto has chance to win as Obito has... but BSM Naruto wins this 6/10 of times at least.
Amaterasu is a bad example, sasuke is using frontal attack, obito knows all about him, it was expected and chakra build up gave it away.
The fact that juubi obito could react to FTG isnt a proof that naruto will. Obito has hashi cells he is a sensor by default further augmented by juubi power. Naruto isnt true sensor, He got trolled by base madara. BSM doesnt grant any extra sensing as far im concerned, it purely comes from SM. Obito's kamui in no way slower then tobirama's FTG at very least, if it gives troubles to juubi jin it will own SM sensing just like madara did lol. So here you go again thinking naruto can sense kamui blitz, its totally baseless and goes against logic.
You still havent addressed the fact how will BSM outlast obito. You know it has duration just like SM and BM, right? Obito fights this war in one go, no catching breath. Neither you came up with any sort of idea on how will naruto pressure his intangibility. Face it, even BSM naruto gets outlasted by base obito and turned into a crisp by katon once BSM runs out.
Naruto wins. He already knows the chakra receiver trick for the paths and has shown that he can easily break them. He also knows that Obito's eye is connected to another dimension which his intangible state is also linked with so he'll make Obito warp a clone then they'll work against him from both ends. If Obito utilizes Rinnegan with his body rather than paths, then it gets more difficult because he doesn't need to warp Naruto but can pull out his soul and whatnot. However, he can still get Obito with some strategy. He has ALL the knowledge after all.
Amaterasu is a bad example, sasuke is using frontal attack, obito knows all about him, it was expected and chakra build up gave it away.
The fact that juubi obito could react to FTG isnt a proof that naruto will. Obito has hashi cells he is a sensor by default further augmented by juubi power. Naruto isnt true sensor, He got trolled by base madara. BSM doesnt grant any extra sensing as far im concerned, it purely comes from SM. Obito's kamui in no way slower then tobirama's FTG at very least, if it gives troubles to juubi jin it will own SM sensing just like madara did lol. So here you go again thinking naruto can sense kamui blitz, its totally baseless and goes against logic.
You still havent addressed the fact how will BSM outlast obito. You know it has duration just like SM and BM right? Obito fights this war in one go, no catching breath. Neither you came up with any sort of idea on how will naruto pressure his intangibility. Face it, even BSM naruto gets outlasted by base obito and turned into a crisp by katon once BSM runs out.
Bolded part is wrong, it was Sage mode Naruto, not BSM learn the difference.
Underlined part is wrong again, Bijuu Sage mode has Sensing chakra ability from Sennin mode and negative emotions sensing ability from Bijuu mode/KCM... combined togehter makes him top sensor shinobi.
Red colored part, and Naruto has Sennin mode which not only grants him great Sensing chakra ability but also enhance all Bijuu mode Naruto body stats and attributes, besides all Naruto's powers are enhanced also with Kurama power.
Blue colored part, It is not proof but still shows that if Naruto was able to anticipate Juubi Jin Obito and land blow on him... then at least Naruto is able to react to Tobirama's FTG as well... and Kamui is not much faster then Tobirama's FTG... so pull conclusion yourself.
Green colored part, Nope in the manga it was only stated that Bijuu mode time limit was 8 minutes but Kurama also said that Naruto will get better and better implying that time limit will increase. Now it can be around 15 minutes. Assumption and guesses aside, Bijuu Sennin mode didn't get any time limit as far as manga goes... so it is just your pure guess... baseing on SM and BM's time limit.
Also Obito haven't fought this war without any breath, at least no on his own. He has help from:
- Kabuto: Edo Jinchurki(even controlled have constantly recharged amount of chakra)
- Gedo Mazou filled with seven tailed beasts chakra, so summoning it took almost nothing from Obito
- The only things which he did are: Controling tailed beasts , pining tailed beasts to edo hosts bodies, use Kamui many times(which was not shown to cost big amount of chakra) + weak wood release and Fire release.
Stop overrating Obito and underrating/understimating Naruto by skipping manga facts which are not good for you.
I REPEAT: Naruto does not need to bypass obito's intangibility by attacking non-stop 5 minutes as Frog Katas combined with chakra arms land hit on Obito almost each time, it is used. If Naruto hit him with TBB enhanced with nature energy... then
It is gg Obito. (This is Naruto alone... if he can uses Clones then Obito has no way to win.)
Bolded part is wrong, it was Sage mode Naruto, not BSM learn the difference.
Underlined part is wrong again, Bijuu Sage mode has Sensing chakra ability from Sennin mode and negative emotions sensing ability from Bijuu mode/KCM... combined togehter makes him top sensor shinobi.
Red colored part, and Naruto has Sennin mode which not only grants him great Sensing chakra ability but also enhance all Bijuu mode Naruto body stats and attributes, besides all Naruto's powers are enhanced also with Kurama power.
There is no difference to chakra sensing from SM to BSM unless supported by manga. BM gives emotion sensing, its not viable for tracking chakra attacks it doesnt sense chakra, only chakra sensing he has is From SM. In BSM he simply has emotion sensing in addition to chakra from SM. That much is obvious.
Blue colored part, It is not proof but still shows that if Naruto was able to anticipate Juubi Jin Obito and land blow on him... then at least Naruto is able to react to Tobirama's FTG as well... and Kamui is not much faster then Tobirama's FTG... so pull conclusion yourself.
Juubi jin >> BSM naruto in sensing. If obito had troubles, naruto gets it worse and yes, 14yo obito made minato whose FTG is better go FTGv2, it is faster.
Green colored part, Nope in the manga it was only stated that Bijuu mode time limit was 8 minutes but Kurama also said that Naruto will get better and better implying that time limit will increase. Now it can be around 15 minutes. Assumption and guesses aside, Bijuu Sennin mode didn't get any time limit as far as manga goes... so it is just your pure guess... baseing on SM and BM's time limit.
My pure guess? Im sorry does manga has to state obvious shit again? Clearly it has time limit as its based on time limited power. It got increased? Sure, but its no where near to obito's battle endurance. Obito outlast naruto, always have.
Also Obito haven't fought this war without any breath, at least no on his own. He has help from:
- Kabuto: Edo Jinchurki(even controlled have constantly recharged amount of chakra)
- Gedo Mazou filled with seven tailed beasts chakra, so summoning it took almost nothing from Obito
- The only things which he did are: Controling tailed beasts , pining tailed beasts to edo hosts bodies, use Kamui many times(which was not shown to cost big amount of chakra) + weak wood release and Fire release.
Stop overrating Obito and underrating/understimating Naruto by skipping manga facts which are not good for you.
I REPEAT: Naruto does not need to bypass obito's intangibility by attacking non-stop 5 minutes as Frog Katas combined with chakra arms land hit on Obito almost each time, it is used. If Naruto hit him with TBB enhanced with nature energy... then
It is gg Obito. (This is Naruto alone... if he can uses Clones then Obito has no way to win.)
Hitting kamui with TBB, thats funny lmao.
So summoning gedo isnt big deal for you? Only ones capable of thats were stated to be madara and nagato, both chakra monsters. Not until obito became the jin he got no chakra of those bijus. Yet he was summoning gedo with bijus here and there, made a barrier around it. Controlled those jins with rods and rinnegan, controlled juubi itself for most part, used kamui extensively and all you mentioned. He had enough chakra in him to able to seal juubi, you cant do that on empty stomach, he hasnt even shown fatigue once. Frog katas? Naruto has only done it once, you think he can spam it, it has pathetic range? Chakra arms never landed.
We can talk whole day here buts its very simple. So far you cant guarantee naruto can sense kamui blitz, no feats for that, it obvious he cant outlast him and obvious he cant get his way around intangibility. Also obvious that mokuton can drain some chakra and outher path can cripple him for a while, naruto doesnt even have feats to brake out of the barrier obito can simply trap him into. I dont see naruto winning.
