Caitlyn Jenner. Yasss Girl, I living.

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I didn't think this would bother me at all. He doesn't bother me, it's his life to make his own choices. It's people's reaction that has bothered me. I keep hearing comments like "she's so brave," but if most people are being supportive there is nothing brave about it. The only thing he's doing that's brave is (eventually) removing his testicles. That's brave; those don't grow back. Society not only seems to be predominately in support his choice, but they are also lashing out against people who speak their beliefs against it. In a way now speaking out against it is more brave these days.

The problem I see is that people are picking and choosing which abnormal behavior to normalize. He suffers from a severe case of Body Dysmorphic Disorder and possible Histrionic Personality Disorder. That's fine; we should treat people with respect if we can, no matter what their physical or psychiatric affliction, but people don't show the same courtesy to those suffering from Schizophrenia. Society shuns those who are psychotic. They don't consider them to be brave when they stop taking their medications. They do the opposite; they lock them up in jails or psychiatric hospitals. Even if you argue that Bruce Jenner's mental condition is natural, you can't deny that a Schizophrenic's are as well.

I've noticed many of the people who vehemently protest GMO crops are largely in support of Bruce's transformation. That's just hypocrisy. While you can argue that his mental disorder may be organic, his action of altering his gender goes against nature. With the hormone injections and surgeries he's undergoing, he is basically a genetically modified organism himself. The argument that GMO crops are unnatural and bad for us (which they aren't, but that's a whole different rant), but GMO people are natural and beautiful is illogical.

So what's next? Will we start to normalize pedophilia? In ten years will we see a People magazine where a celebrity says, "I dated women my age for years, but I was really just lying to myself. I always knew I loved 12 year old girls." Will people call that person brave? That isn't just a joke. Normalizing abnormal behavior is a slippery slope and it causes the norms of society change. One can argue that pedophilia isn't natural, but it actually is. For millions of years we began procreation with women toward the onset of their menstrual cycle. When we go against nature we see it fight back. One consequence to pushing reproduction back in favor of our careers is the increase in disorders such as Autism and Down's Syndrome (maybe even ADHD). What would be the consequence for realigning one's gender? I don't know; only time will tell.

So I don't mind advocating for people like Bruce Jenner who are mentally ill, but I will also advocate for other mentally ill people who are not given such applause for their sickness. I don't believe in normalizing abnormal behavior, but I do believe in treating people with respect and empathy. This is how I can treat pedophiles, alcoholics, rapists, and anyone else that society doesn't consider to be so brave. It isn't about agreeing with the act. It is about treating the person as a human.

Sorry for the rant.

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The reason it's considered brave is because there are just as many people who will throw shit at her for making the transition that there is people who will throw support. Then, you have people like Strykervenom, ShishaMastah, and FoxesInWonderland who are placing emphasis on ***. People who go "Would you have *** with them?" or "What if someone you're having *** with turned out to be trans"; in other words, people who are defining the validity of someone's existence and happiness by whether or not they'd have *** with them, which quite frankly makes them terrible people, but I digress. It's not like it's going to be easy for her to be a part of society when you have intolerant and bigoted people, especially when everyone knows who you are. It's impossible for her to hide it. Her career and personal romantic life can also be negatively affected, the latter for the aforementioned reasons, and the former because there are people who would view working with her as risky.

It's not fair to compare being transsexual to schizophrenia or other mental illnesses that pose a danger to you or those around you. For one, while there is treatment for schizophrenia, it's something that inherently causes suffering for everyone afflicted. There isn't anything positive about it, and there's no real way to deal with it permanently aside from dying. Being a transsexual/gender generally brings unhappiness to minors for the most part because they are underage, and rely on their parents for money, not to mention the fact that most kids are intolerant pieces of shit who jump at any chance to ridicule and mock due to immaturity, NB for example. For a grown individual with their own income and ability to make the choice to transition a reality for themselves, it's not so bad and could be really seamless and smooth, with the only snag being fear of what those around you might think. It's not fair to compare that to the constant and inherent torture that is a mental condition like schizophrenia. Nor is it fair to compare it to pedophilia, which impedes on other people.

Mentally ill people who are jail aren't in jail because they are mentally ill, it's because they committed a crime. Those in mental hospitals are there because they require immediate, consistent and constant supervision and treatment from professionals as their mental illness can cause them to pose a danger to themselves or others. What danger is Caitlyn in? What danger is she to others? The biggest dangers faced by a transsexual person are other people making their life hard by insulting or otherwise ridiculing them insistently, at times going so far as to cause bodily harm, and self-harming because they are unable to properly appease their mental state and make the transition for themselves. In both cases, it's not the mental state itself that brings harm, but other people being shitty, whether it be picking on or otherwise bullying a transsexual or not making the transition available to them.
 
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To all the dudes that's like, more power to him/her what happens when your girl of years finally drops the ball on you like i was born a man?
Your girl of years? That would be Mother and I highly doubt my Mother would reveal this because for one, she is my Mother, and two, we already know everything about each other, so there is nothing to share. Our hearts are connected. I will love her until the end of time no matter what occurs. She's the first thing I think about in the morning and the last thing I think about at night.
 
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Your girl of years? That would be Mother and I highly doubt my Mother would reveal this because for one, she is my Mother, and two, we already know everything about each other, so there is nothing to share. Our hearts are connected. I will love her until the end of time no matter what occurs. She's the first thing I think about in the morning and the last thing I think about at night.
I didn't think that "Your girl of years" could actually confuse someone, it simply means the female you've been with for an extended period of time, not your mom, unless you're into that sort of thing, and you'd be surprised by the amount of information that isn't shared between loved ones.

Also sounds like you took my statement to the heart, like you've been trapped by a c@ck wielding woman, best of luck to you bro.
 

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Oh the typical intolerence and ignorance of NB. How unexpected.

When it comes to LGBT+ rights, some people assume what they get off to or not actually matters. For ex. usage of sentences like "Gay marrige should not be legalized cuz 2 men kissing disgusts me". Get over yourselves, people's rights to be exist and respected are more important than how uncomfortable your imaginary sexual scenario would be. Maybe if people were more tolerated, they could be more honest.

OT: Good for her. I hope this will have positive effect on the society.
 
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Femme you're not gonna get a good response, most of the people on here are 14-16 year olds. Most of them hate homosexuals from past experiences so this is gonna be a horrible thread :/

I had no clue who this person was before today so it's no big deal to me.
 

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I didn't think that "Your girl of years" could actually confuse someone, it simply means the female you've been with for an extended period of time, not your mom, unless you're into that sort of thing, and you'd be surprised by the amount of information that isn't shared between loved ones.

Also sounds like you took my statement to the heart, like you've been trapped by a c@ck wielding woman, best of luck to you bro.
You can't even tell that he's ****ing with you.
 

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I didn't think that "Your girl of years" could actually confuse someone, it simply means the female you've been with for an extended period of time, not your mom, unless you're into that sort of thing, and you'd be surprised by the amount of information that isn't shared between loved ones.

Also sounds like you took my statement to the heart, like you've been trapped by a c@ck wielding woman, best of luck to you bro.
Yes, girl of years is Mother. Girl of all my years is Mother. She is the definition personified. I do not understand your confusion.

Mother and I do our best not to keep secrets. We are like the same person. If I or she had a secret, which we may, the other would just know something was wrong or would one day be told and even then, it was kept for a perfectly good reason. If there ever was a one hundred perfect honest relationship, ours is the closest to it.

Regarding the last sentence, yes, she has kept me close, but there is no place where I nor her would rather be. She has me and I have her.

Thank you for your comment. I enjoyed it rather much so.
 

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I didn't think that "Your girl of years" could actually confuse someone, it simply means the female you've been with for an extended period of time, not your mom, unless you're into that sort of thing, and you'd be surprised by the amount of information that isn't shared between loved ones.

Also sounds like you took my statement to the heart, like you've been trapped by a c@ck wielding woman, best of luck to you bro.
lmao, he's screwing around m8
 
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You can't even tell that he's ****ing with you.
lmao, he's screwing around m8
Yes, I am having sexual relations with someone special, but I assure you, it's not Mr. Shisha. He seems like a very nice fellow, but I'm in a very committed relationship.

Thank you for your comments about me. I feel like I am a part of the community. Mr. Riker and Tiger, may I send you a friend request?
 

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It's cool that she did what she did, but I don't agree with all of this news coverage of it. But that's just me.
 

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Re: So Caitlin Jenner

Hero? I would not go that far.

Inspiration? Definitely. The message is be yourself and that is what we all should do. Be happy. Do you.

Although, sorry to tell you Caitlyn, Mother gave me that advice first. She's more than just an inspiration, as well. She's my hero.
 

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Re: So Caitlin Jenner

She's be considered a hero because of a *** change. She's getting praised I feel is not rightfully earned
I'm pretty sure the praise is because she went through with it and is now in skin she can be truly happy and proud in. The transition isn't an easy one, so people are giving her kudos and support for being able to go through with it. People are just happy for her.
 
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