Byakugan abilities and Sharingan precog

[neosmith500]

Then why don't we see any hyuga use handseals to use their x-ray vision after that?

Because more time/training and because kishi LOL.

Despite the injuries, Neji still blitzed him at the end. A point where he was worse off since he had taken a direct hit from the spinning Again, with this logic shippuden Neji would face the same problems with Kido as you're implying seeing Kido would have done nothing to change the tide of the fight.

Yea , Neji blitzed him . at the end because he thought Neji had already died and he was busy skying falling with multiple internal injuries through a forest of trees , a healthy p2 Neji wont need that to blitz kido and again p2 Neji would see him easily due to extended range.

-The gap between Jonin level and genin/chunin is extreme , Jonin Neji could take the whole sound 4 like Genma and Raido almost did much less Kido. Jonins are in a whole a other league compared to Kido even low jonin levels while Neji was still still high chunin is physical stats in p1 so u cant say kido would have time to do anything against a Jonin Neji.

It was his speed at the end that made him make easy work of Kido was it not? Neji had the speed back then too but couldn't make easy work of Kido simply because he could not see him at all. Again, before the final arrow Neji wasn't near death. The final arrow put him near death but he still blitzed Kido.

What ur failing to trully consider are the circumstances involving Neji's blitz , Neji at that point could not make short work of kido because he had no time or opening to even think about blitzing towards CM2 Kido who was constantly keeping watch on him. It doesn't matter if Neji wasn't as injured as later on since it doesn't change the fact that kido was alert to his every move , unlike when he was blitzed.

Fair enough...but fact is he scanned at a point in time and found Kido.

Yea , but he still couldn't see kido setting up traps in the forest.

If it was a known fact that he could see tenketsu then the dialogue should have been something like "Yes i have been hitting your tenketsu from the start" should it not? He says "My eyes can even see the tenketsu" as if to let Hinata know the fact that he can see tenketsu with his eyes. Why say that if it was already a fact he could see tenketsu normally?

Again , cant u remeber numerous times in the Manga where a translation doesn't make any sense? this was one of them. Heck based on this himwari would not even have the ability to see tenketsu after she activated her eyes for the first time and i seriously find it hard to believe that Side branch members cant see tenketsu just because?? so Hizashi couldn't see tenketsu simply because he was the younger twin born from the same father/mother? doesn't make sense bro.

Fair enough lol...I concede from the main byakugan > branch byakugan but continue with the fact Hinata and Hiashi's byakugan are portrayed as superior to Neji's.


Iirc, Hinata was shown, Hiashi was shown and even Lee was shown. What was the reason Neji wasn't shown when the alliance arrived? Neji and Hinata were fighting side by side yet it was Hiashi and Hinata that were shown as relevant hyuuga characters that helped with the changing of the direction of the tbb. If Neji helped, there wasn't any reason for him not to be shown when Lee himself was shown.

Ur asking me questions that i dont have answers for and this cant be used to prove anything , Kishi made no notes about Main branch specific aided Shintenshin no jutsu and only said Hyuga aided , nor did kishi use any other kind of notes or description that even hints to them having better eyes that the side branch , it doesn't even make sense since u cant explain why they would when both Hinata and Neji are from the same lines seeing as Hiashi and hizashi were twins so could u just explain to me why the have better eyes?? because it clearly isn't blood


The only thing u have is circumstantial since Hinata/Hiashi were under circumstances where they were chill and tasked to see a certain distance meanwhile Neji was never in the circumstance to do the same apart from when he was tasked to find the tags in p2 and we are currently in the middle of settling his feats against Kido which is a battle scenario , completly different from being chilled and tasked to find something when he had barrages of attacks to worry about.

Because his byakugan was already activated and according to your description of using handsigns to extend/focus the seal is supposed to remain as they use it.

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I never said the handseals had to remain as they use it but disregarding its use is not fair.

@bold Not really..i'm just tryng to show you Kishi was so inconsistent with handsigns and activating byakugan. Cases in point include Hinata activating byakugan/360 with handseals despite already having byakugan active

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And Neji using handseals to use x-ray on shino back in part 1

The different special abilities of the byakugan need different inputs to be used and this is shown by the activation , even if the byakugan is already active. P1 Neji used this same input to scan shino and it required the subtle use of seals.

Now you've agreed it can be used simultaneously but aren't giving me specifics on why if Neji could see more than 50m, he didn't use it.

I already said they could from much earlier in our debate , he didn't use it because of the situation he was in so he stuck with 360Dv.

- You're using the element of surprise Kido could possibly have but not considering the element of surprise Neji too has if he could see ahead of 50m. After that arrow went through the tree and his headband, if Neji had turned and faced that direction and used extended vision, he would have found Kido and since Kido doesn't know he can see him, he wouldn't react fast enough to a blitz by Neji.

Now tell me , how would Neji have a element of surprise in that situation when Kido could see him clear as day? Again ur faling to consider the circumstances connected to ur arguements. Neji was practically giving up at that point and needed to rememebr Naruto for him to get back in fighting spirits.


U saying Neji could've blitzed healthy CM2 Kido without a set like he had at the end doesn't make any sense bro because Kido could see him clear as day so he would see Neji coming in for a blitz then easily counter by setting his traps to welcome the dying and chakra drained Neji.

-Neji could not have hoped to blitz kido without the set-up he had.

How exactly would it be irrelevant? Kido's whole plot was to shoot an arrow outside of Neji's range and manipulate it into the blindspot at the back of his head. If Neji had turned and faced Kido, there are 2 things that changes..

- He completely shifts the blindspot away from Kido's sight...as in completely the other way.

So basically all Neji had to do was turn around and face kido with his 360Dv already active then problem solved? because thats literally the same as wat ur saying , if only it was that simple.

- Kido cant manipulate the arrow as the 120dv view doesn't have a blindspot. If Neji had the ability to see 1km like Hinata, he sees the arrow in its entirety and Kido himself.

Ur basically saying all Neji had to do was turn around and face Kido with 360Dv in order to see and avoid his arrows. Kido can bend his arrows around Neji with ease even if he did this Lol , even if he does this and manages to avoid a arrow all he would do is waste more chakra and how would he even think about getting close to kido after this???? by seeing him , then wat? run towards him when kido could clearly see him??

Neji stops to zero in on his location and kido plants a arrow at the back of his head since kido can see him. Neji had no way or time to think about blitzing towards Kido.

 

[Jinrou]

Because more time/training and because kishi LOL.

lol...Like i said..inconsistent..As there was no time/training in between Neji using xray handsigns to see inside Shino and Neji using just xray to see Hinata.

Yea , Neji blitzed him . at the end because he thought Neji had already died and he was busy skying falling with multiple internal injuries through a forest of trees , a healthy p2 Neji wont need that to blitz kido and again p2 Neji would see him easily due to extended range.

-The gap between Jonin level and genin/chunin is extreme , Jonin Neji could take the whole sound 4 like Genma and Raido almost did much less Kido. Jonins are in a whole a other league compared to Kido even low jonin levels while Neji was still still high chunin is physical stats in p1 so u cant say kido would have time to do anything against a Jonin Neji.

I agree with the bold and that's what i'm saying. SRA Neji was High chuunin/low Jounin imo and he could have soloed Kido too if he could see him. You claim he can see above 50m with extended range but why didn't he use it in that fight? I gave instances where there were brief moments of respite (where he wasn't yet fatally injured) Neji could have used to turn and use the extended range you say he has to find Kido but you're only replying by telling me his best option was to turn tails and run. Why?

It's almost like telling me shippuden Neji would see Kido and run..i really don't know why.

What ur failing to trully consider are the circumstances involving Neji's blitz , Neji at that point could not make short work of kido because he had no time or opening to even think about blitzing towards CM2 Kido who was constantly keeping watch on him. It doesn't matter if Neji wasn't as injured as later on since it doesn't change the fact that kido was alert to his every move , unlike when he was blitzed.

If Neji had turned and faced Kido with his extended range you say he has, won't he be keeping an eye or two on Kido too?

Yea , but he still couldn't see kido setting up traps in the forest.

Meaning shippuden Neji wouldn't see him set up traps if they fought too?

Again , cant u remeber numerous times in the Manga where a translation doesn't make any sense? this was one of them. Heck based on this himwari would not even have the ability to see tenketsu after she activated her eyes for the first time and i seriously find it hard to believe that Side branch members cant see tenketsu just because?? so Hizashi couldn't see tenketsu simply because he was the younger twin born from the same father/mother? doesn't make sense bro.

I'm only going on what the translation said lol..I can't remember any scans/panel where the translation didn't make any sense though. Do you have samples?

Ur asking me questions that i dont have answers for and this cant be used to prove anything , Kishi made no notes about Main branch specific aided Shintenshin no jutsu and only said Hyuga aided , nor did kishi use any other kind of notes or description that even hints to them having better eyes that the side branch , it doesn't even make sense since u cant explain why they would when both Hinata and Neji are from the same lines seeing as Hiashi and hizashi were twins so could u just explain to me why the have better eyes?? because it clearly isn't blood


The only thing u have is circumstantial since Hinata/Hiashi were under circumstances where they were chill and tasked to see a certain distance meanwhile Neji was never in the circumstance to do the same apart from when he was tasked to find the tags in p2 and we are currently in the middle of settling his feats against Kido which is a battle scenario , completly different from being chilled and tasked to find something when he had barrages of attacks to worry about.

Like i said...I'm done with main > branch and focusing on Neji's inferior byakugan. Kishi noted the shintenshin was done with the Hyuga's support. And we see Hiashi and Hinata. In terms of relevance to the story, Neji > Hiashi and it makes no sense that Neji who was with Hinata all the while in division 2 was dropped for the less relevant Hiashi who was in division 1 when it came to helping the yamanaka with the long range snipe. Hiashi talked with Kakashi? Well Neji could have talked to Gai too the same as Lee did.

You call it circumstantial while i see it as implying something.

I never said the handseals had to remain as they use it but disregarding its use is not fair.

No you didn't but i was showing you when Kishi did make a Hyuga use handseals, the hands were stationed for a second. And we see no hint of such when Hiashi looks at the far away town that was destroyed by the tbb

The different special abilities of the byakugan need different inputs to be used and this is shown by the activation , even if the byakugan is already active. P1 Neji used this same input to scan shino and it required the subtle use of seals.

He used no seals when he was fighting Hinata and we know he used x ray during that fight. Again, inconsistency.

Now tell me , how would Neji have a element of surprise in that situation when Kido could see him clear as day? Again ur faling to consider the circumstances connected to ur arguements. Neji was practically giving up at that point and needed to rememebr Naruto for him to get back in fighting spirits.


U saying Neji could've blitzed healthy CM2 Kido without a set like he had at the end doesn't make any sense bro because Kido could see him clear as day so he would see Neji coming in for a blitz then easily counter by setting his traps to welcome the dying and chakra drained Neji.

-Neji could not have hoped to blitz kido without the set-up he had.

You do know with this logic Shippuden Neji can't blitz CM2 Kido too from that distance since Kido would see his every move?

His obvious element of surprise is the fact that when he turns to face Kido's direction, Kido wouldn't know he has extended range that surpasses 50m and can actually see him. All he knows at this point is that Neji can't see above 50m so how wouldn't this count as an element of surprise.

So basically all Neji had to do was turn around and face kido with his 360Dv already active then problem solved? because thats literally the same as wat ur saying , if only it was that simple.

Ur basically saying all Neji had to do was turn around and face Kido with 360Dv in order to see and avoid his arrows. Kido can bend his arrows around Neji with ease even if he did this Lol , even if he does this and manages to avoid a arrow all he would do is waste more chakra and how would he even think about getting close to kido after this???? by seeing him , then wat? run towards him when kido could clearly see him??

Neji stops to zero in on his location and kido plants a arrow at the back of his head since kido can see him. Neji had no way or time to think about blitzing towards Kido.

I'm not talking about 360dv..i'm talking about the extended vision you said Neji has. Neji is smart. He discovered Kido had found out about the blindspot after the first arrow:

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At this point it was clear Kido was going for the kill aiming for his blindspot meaning no more area booby traps. He would know this..i don't think it can be debated? Especially when you consider Kido fired another one that removed his headband.

Now what i'm saying is Neji could have turned to face the direction the arrows came from and that at the very least would have avoided the third arrow that fatally struck him.

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Kido's ploy was to stay and fire an arrow out of Neji's range and maneuver that arrow into his blindspot when it does get in his range meaning Neji never saw the arrows coming not even once. Now, if Neji had faced Kido's direction and used the extended vision you say he has to locate Kido, then that ploy wouldn't work. Why?

Well Neji would see the arrow since it's coming from his front. I honestly doubt Kido can then bend it so fast around that Neji wouldn't keep track of it and considering Kido would be stationary while maneuvering, Neji then has a chance to quickly close the gap and solo especially since Kido doesn't know Neji can see him.

Note. This is only possible if he has the extended vision as if he doesn't Kido can shift position outside of his range and Neji wouldn't know.

It's not simple..but it is something. If he had extended vision it s extremely weird he never used it once to find Kido. There's even a scan where he's facing Kido's direction but is still unable to see him.

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Not to mention the fact the extended vision thing is seeming like a myth now.

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Both Hinata and Neji are looking behind themselves and Hinata sees as far as 10km while Neji comes to a conclusion his own range is 50m. Is there definite proof the byakugan's extensive range is different from the 360dv?

 

[neosmith500]

lol...Like i said..inconsistent..As there was no time/training in between Neji using xray handsigns to see inside Shino and Neji using just xray to see Hinata.

But Neji didn't use x ray on hinata in that instance.

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I agree with the bold and that's what i'm saying. SRA Neji was High chuunin/low Jounin imo and he could have soloed Kido too if he could see him. You claim he can see above 50m with extended range but why didn't he use it in that fight? I gave instances where there were brief moments of respite (where he wasn't yet fatally injured) Neji could have used to turn and use the extended range you say he has to find Kido but you're only replying by telling me his best option was to turn tails and run. Why?

Again soloing Kido especially CM2 who would be above him in speed would not have been so easy as , see kido , then kill kido also i would like to bring attention to a scan where Neji was actively searching for kido even tho he knew that kido was way outside of his 50M limit.

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But i do agree that ur putting up decent points which im hoping will somehow make sense of Hinata having superior range for some reason when , even in the databook i only remember kishi hyping the fact that Hinata was able to take on the lookout duties after neji ran out of energy/chakra with kishi noting that her Byakugan was in no way inferior. Never did it state that hinata has a strong byakugan nor that Neji's Byakugan was strong despite being from the side branch.

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It's almost like telling me shippuden Neji would see Kido and run..i really don't know why.

P2 Neji would never be in the same situation and its a different league all together , for instance SRA Neji should've simply shunshined into the forest then attempt to blitz base Kido here while he was still in awe.

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If Neji had turned and faced Kido with his extended range you say he has, won't he be keeping an eye or two on Kido too?

Yea but unlike Neji kido could actually do something about it and could constantly send waves of attacks that would force him to keep focus on many targets while Neji was too injured to even think about approaching a Kido who knows that he's coming. Kido would take extra steps to make sure that he never gets close and he has more than enough powers to easily do this.

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Meaning shippuden Neji wouldn't see him set up traps if they fought too?

This is interesting because in canon Neji didn't see kido set any traps based on his reactions to the initial set , despite them being set and fired within his range so wat exactly does that tell u? could it be kishi and his inconsistency?

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I'm only going on what the translation said lol..I can't remember any scans/panel where the translation didn't make any sense though. Do you have samples?

I know thats wat ur doing but im just asking u to find the logic in wat was said. Why wasn't such a important factor not touched upon by any for of notations in the manga or db??? while watching Neji's fight Hiashi never said anything about a side branch member not being meant to see tenketsu much less using 64 palms , his shock was only aimed towards Neji having these techs..

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Like i said...I'm done with main > branch and focusing on Neji's inferior byakugan. Kishi noted the shintenshin was done with the Hyuga's support. And we see Hiashi and Hinata. In terms of relevance to the story, Neji > Hiashi and it makes no sense that Neji who was with Hinata all the while in division 2 was dropped for the less relevant Hiashi who was in division 1 when it came to helping the yamanaka with the long range snipe. Hiashi talked with Kakashi? Well Neji could have talked to Gai too the same as Lee did.

In terms of relevance to the story Hiashi needed more time to shine and be in the manga , why wasn't Neji near Hinata when the juubi fired its pinpoint stakes??

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You call it circumstantial while i see it as implying something.

I see why u do , but i just dont see it.

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No you didn't but i was showing you when Kishi did make a Hyuga use handseals, the hands were stationed for a second. And we see no hint of such when Hiashi looks at the far away town that was destroyed by the tbb

But as i said before Hiashi doesn not= genin Neji so he probably did it with a simply input or he already had it active seeing that the juubi was acting wild.

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He used no seals when he was fighting Hinata and we know he used x ray during that fight. Again, inconsistency.

I cant remember him using the same x ray he used on shino , scan? but yea if u look into a lot of things concerning the Hyuga it doesn't really add up or make sense especially the kido fight regarding Neji's fighting style.

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You do know with this logic Shippuden Neji can't blitz CM2 Kido too from that distance since Kido would see his every move?

So a fresh Jonin Neji could not hope to Blitz kido because SRA Neji who was badly injured to the point he could hardly run and was also very low on chakra could not not blitz kido???

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His obvious element of surprise is the fact that when he turns to face Kido's direction, Kido wouldn't know he has extended range that surpasses 50m and can actually see him. All he knows at this point is that Neji can't see above 50m so how wouldn't this count as an element of surprise.

Then after doing this , wat does Neji do then??

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I'm not talking about 360dv..i'm talking about the extended vision you said Neji has. Neji is smart. He discovered Kido had found out about the blindspot after the first arrow:

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At this point it was clear Kido was going for the kill aiming for his blindspot meaning no more area booby traps. He would know this..i don't think it can be debated? Especially when you consider Kido fired another one that removed his headband.

-I knew wat u were talking about but im just showing u that Neji could've replicated ur idea a bit by simply turning towards kido's direction when the arrow was shot.

-Kido was always going for the kill , Neji had no way of knowing if he decided to stop using traps.

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Now what i'm saying is Neji could have turned to face the direction the arrows came from and that at the very least would have avoided the third arrow that fatally struck him.

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Not when the arrow was literally being aimed into his blindspot as the description shows kido was capable of bending the arrow into his blindspot with pinpoint accuracy no matter how quickly he turned his head even when he knew where the arrows were coming from , so am i missing something here?

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Kido's ploy was to stay and fire an arrow out of Neji's range and maneuver that arrow into his blindspot when it does get in his range meaning Neji never saw the arrows coming not even once. Now, if Neji had faced Kido's direction and used the extended vision you say he has to locate Kido, then that ploy wouldn't work. Why?

Well Neji would see the arrow since it's coming from his front. I honestly doubt Kido can then bend it so fast around that Neji wouldn't keep track of it and considering Kido would be stationary while maneuvering, Neji then has a chance to quickly close the gap and solo especially since Kido doesn't know Neji can see him.

Note. This is only possible if he has the extended vision as if he doesn't Kido can shift position outside of his range and Neji wouldn't know.

It's not simple..but it is something. If he had extended vision it s extremely weird he never used it once to find Kido. There's even a scan where he's facing Kido's direction but is still unable to see him.

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Not to mention the fact the extended vision thing is seeming like a myth now.

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Both Hinata and Neji are looking behind themselves and Hinata sees as far as 10km while Neji comes to a conclusion his own range is 50m. Is there definite proof the byakugan's extensive range is different from the 360dv?

I was about to concede until u showed me that scan of asking trying to find Kido which is a scan i brung up earlier , wat do u make of it? Neji was searching for kido then saw the birds which were in panic due to the action

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Neji then asks himself "where is he" as if actively searching for kido who he knew was located far outside of his 50M limit. So wats going on here?

Good game tho.

 

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Its up to the User of Byakugan to do the predictions whilst tracking high speed movements. With Sharingan the predictions are displayed for them, they actually "see" images and after images.

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[King Of Pop]

=neosmith500;20770481]Sasuke was still surprised by 1T Naruto's speed unlike KN0 , which means if Naruto was faster he could've caught Sasuke by zipping around him fast enough and not giving his body any physical time to react which B could do.

he wasnt. he could still read narutos movements just fine, what he could not read was kuramas chakra attacking on its own after sasuke dodges which is what surprised him the most, not necessarily narutos speed itself.

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So let's say neji fought kb swordplay He too would be able to react without getting fatally killed if not least likely due to rotation and fighting style

i doubt it. neji still needs to be fast enough to react even though he can anticipate it, can he keep with up with bee? thats the question

 

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he wasnt. he could still read narutos movements just fine, what he could not read was kuramas chakra attacking on its own after sasuke dodges which is what surprised him the most, not necessarily narutos speed itself.

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Never said he couldn't read his movements , but he did show shock at Naruto's speed bottom left panel.

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Before he was surprised by the chakra, bottom left panel.

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Somthing that never happened against Kn0 at any given instance.

 

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But Neji didn't use x ray on hinata in that instance.

Don't they need x-ray to see tenketsu? And if there are different types of x-ray, shouldn't seeing needle like tenketsu require more focus/chakra than simply scanning the body?

Again soloing Kido especially CM2 who would be above him in speed would not have been so easy as , see kido , then kill kido also i would like to bring attention to a scan where Neji was actively searching for kido even tho he knew that kido was way outside of his 50M limit.

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But i do agree that ur putting up decent points which im hoping will somehow make sense of Hinata having superior range for some reason when , even in the databook i only remember kishi hyping the fact that Hinata was able to take on the lookout duties after neji ran out of energy/chakra with kishi noting that her Byakugan was in no way inferior. Never did it state that hinata has a strong byakugan nor that Neji's Byakugan was strong despite being from the side branch.

Tbh i haven't really thought out how he could win...But you're implying if Neji could see Kido, it wouldn't mean anything and i disagree somewhat with that.

He wasn't actively searching for Kido though. His head was slumped and his byakugan was off.

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No veins.

P2 Neji would never be in the same situation and its a different league all together , for instance SRA Neji should've simply shunshined into the forest then attempt to blitz base Kido here while he was still in awe.

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SRA Neji could have blitzed Kido there too could he not? Actually can Neji even blitz healthy Kido with that armor thing he has? :lol

Yea but unlike Neji kido could actually do something about it and could constantly send waves of attacks that would force him to keep focus on many targets while Neji was too injured to even think about approaching a Kido who knows that he's coming. Kido would take extra steps to make sure that he never gets close and he has more than enough powers to easily do this.

Those waves of kunai and spiders were prepped though. If Neji turned and used extended vision at the time Kido fired the first arrow..then Kido would have only that second arrow and with Neji seeing as Kido fires that arrow from a distance, i'm not Exactly sure how he would allow Kido target his blindspot.

This is interesting because in canon Neji didn't see kido set any traps based on his reactions to the initial set , despite them being set and fired within his range so wat exactly does that tell u? could it be kishi and his inconsistency?

Not only does Kishi ignore the hyuga, he also shows inconsistency with them and even nerfed SRA Neji. Shame on the man tbh XD

I know thats wat ur doing but im just asking u to find the logic in wat was said. Why wasn't such a important factor not touched upon by any for of notations in the manga or db??? while watching Neji's fight Hiashi never said anything about a side branch member not being meant to see tenketsu much less using 64 palms , his shock was only aimed towards Neji having these techs..

Well when i saw that scan and remembered the

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..i was forced to believe but i get what you mean now.

In terms of relevance to the story Hiashi needed more time to shine and be in the manga , why wasn't Neji near Hinata when the juubi fired its pinpoint stakes??

Why at that late point though.

Neji was there but his portion of the kaiten crater (where he's in the center of it) isn't shown. But we know for a fact he was there

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There were 3 hyugas that helped 3 yamanaka with the tbb. I find it hard to believe the third was Neji and Kishi didn't even draw him when he drew Shino. If that third Hyuga was Neji, he should have had a panel of either talking to Gai or at the very least Naruto like Kiba did. That 3rd hyuga was irrelevant and we know Neji isn't that irrelevant compared to Hiashi.

I see why u do , but i just dont see it.

I understand. Perhaps a neutral party could look through and decide if its more circumstantial than implying.

But as i said before Hiashi doesn not= genin Neji so he probably did it with a simply input or he already had it active seeing that the juubi was acting wild.

Handseals are handseals though..and just because Kakashi is a vet himself doesn't mean he wouldn't need seals to do a fireball jutsu.

I cant remember him using the same x ray he used on shino , scan? but yea if u look into a lot of things concerning the Hyuga it doesn't really add up or make sense especially the kido fight regarding Neji's fighting style.

Agreed.

So a fresh Jonin Neji could not hope to Blitz kido because SRA Neji who was badly injured to the point he could hardly run and was also very low on chakra could not not blitz kido???

After the first arrow, Neji wasn't fatally injured. I believe he made Kido miss by 7-8 inches of his intended target.

Then after doing this , wat does Neji do then??

At this point since he's turned and used the extended vision, he sees Kido because Kido was at a spot. Kido sees Neji turn but keeps the fact that he can't see him in his mind and fires the arrow looking to bend it when it gets to Neji's 50m radius.

Unfortunately for him, Neji can actually see him fire the arrow and proceeds to blitz towards Kido. Kido notices and tries to bend the arrow but Neji shifts his blindspot so it doesn't get in (Keep in mind that Kido was able to manipulate the arrow into his blindspot because he fired it from out of his range and when it did get to his range he fixed it in his blindspot instantly. Neji never at any point saw the arrow coming.)

Kido realizes Neji has another ability he doesn't know about and proceeds to cut his web connected to the arrow or risk Neji reaching and blitzing him.

From there on i'm not sure how it goes xd but at least with that, Neji might not have gotten the fatal injury from that third arrow.

-I knew wat u were talking about but im just showing u that Neji could've replicated ur idea a bit by simply turning towards kido's direction when the arrow was shot.

-Kido was always going for the kill , Neji had no way of knowing if he decided to stop using traps.

I'm lost with the first point but disagree with the bold.

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He knew the area attacks were to get info and based on how he didn't get a glimpse of the arrow Kido shot, he realized he had discovered the byakugan's weakness and was going to aim for that only.

Not when the arrow was literally being aimed into his blindspot as the description shows kido was capable of bending the arrow into his blindspot with pinpoint accuracy no matter how quickly he turned his head even when he knew where the arrows were coming from , so am i missing something here?

Yes. You're missing the fact that the darkened areas are areas Neji cannot see and Kido never allowed him see the arrow. When it got close to Neji's range, Kido fixed it into his blindspot instantly. If Neji was facing him, such a scenario won't have occurred because with extended range Neji would see the arrow coming and proceed to not let it enter his blindspot all the way at his back. Kido was able to fix it in his blindspot because Neji never saw it coming in the first place.

I was about to concede until u showed me that scan of asking trying to find Kido which is a scan i brung up earlier , wat do u make of it? Neji was searching for kido then saw the birds which were in panic due to the action

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Neji then asks himself "where is he" as if actively searching for kido who he knew was located far outside of his 50M limit. So wats going on here?

Good game tho.

He wasn't actively searching as it seems his byakugan was off. Also see this scan..

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Neji actively looks far behind log number two behind him then proceeds to scan in 360

Hinata does the same thing but sees 10km behind her and based on how it looks, she can do a 360 scan of the area too.

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The extended vision thing being entirely independent of 360 is becoming even more of a myth now because Hinata needs 360 to be able to see behind her.

Edit: In regards of the OT though, check out the viz translations courtesy of sinedd

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The Byakugan can indeed anticipate attacks just like we concluded.

 

[Styles]

Then why don't we see any hyuga use handseals to use their x-ray vision after that?



Despite the injuries, Neji still blitzed him at the end. A point where he was worse off since he had taken a direct hit from the spinning Again, with this logic shippuden Neji would face the same problems with Kido as you're implying seeing Kido would have done nothing to change the tide of the fight.




It was his speed at the end that made him make easy work of Kido was it not? Neji had the speed back then too but couldn't make easy work of Kido simply because he could not see him at all. Again, before the final arrow Neji wasn't near death. The final arrow put him near death but he still blitzed Kido.


Fair enough...but fact is he scanned at a point in time and found Kido.

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If it was a known fact that he could see tenketsu then the dialogue should have been something like "Yes i have been hitting your tenketsu from the start" should it not? He says "My eyes can even see the tenketsu" as if to let Hinata know the fact that he can see tenketsu with his eyes. Why say that if it was already a fact he could see tenketsu normally?



Fair enough lol...I concede from the main byakugan > branch byakugan but continue with the fact Hinata and Hiashi's byakugan are portrayed as superior to Neji's.

Iirc, Hinata was shown, Hiashi was shown and even Lee was shown. What was the reason Neji wasn't shown when the alliance arrived? Neji and Hinata were fighting side by side yet it was Hiashi and Hinata that were shown as relevant hyuuga characters that helped with the changing of the direction of the tbb. If Neji helped, there wasn't any reason for him not to be shown when Lee himself was shown.


Because his byakugan was already activated and according to your description of using handsigns to extend/focus the seal is supposed to remain as they use it.

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@bold Not really..i'm just tryng to show you Kishi was so inconsistent with handsigns and activating byakugan. Cases in point include Hinata activating byakugan/360 with handseals despite already having byakugan active

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And Neji using handseals to use x-ray on shino back in part 1



Now you've agreed it can be used simultaneously but aren't giving me specifics on why if Neji could see more than 50m, he didn't use it.

- You're using the element of surprise Kido could possibly have but not considering the element of surprise Neji too has if he could see ahead of 50m. After that arrow went through the tree and his headband, if Neji had turned and faced that direction and used extended vision, he would have found Kido and since Kido doesn't know he can see him, he wouldn't react fast enough to a blitz by Neji.

How exactly would it be irrelevant? Kido's whole plot was to shoot an arrow outside of Neji's range and manipulate it into the blindspot at the back of his head. If Neji had turned and faced Kido, there are 2 things that changes..

- He completely shifts the blindspot away from Kido's sight...as in completely the other way.
- Kido cant manipulate the arrow as the 120dv view doesn't have a blindspot. If Neji had the ability to see 1km like Hinata, he sees the arrow in its entirety and Kido himself.



Neji clearly says something along the lines of "This is Lee?" or sth. He was seeing Lee so he was tracking him.

That doesn't mean anything Neji said that because Lee was moving at a really fast speed Kakashi even with his Sharingan which have better precog couldn't track it. Neji couldn't track it he was surprised at the speed of which Lee was moving at.

 

[Jinrou]

That doesn't mean anything Neji said that because Lee was moving at a really fast speed Kakashi even with his Sharingan which have better precog couldn't track it. Neji couldn't track it he was surprised at the speed of which Lee was moving at.

Very well then, why was his byakugan activated?

 

[unknownvillain1254]

That doesn't mean anything Neji said that because Lee was moving at a really fast speed Kakashi even with his Sharingan which have better precog couldn't track it. Neji couldn't track it he was surprised at the speed of which Lee was moving at.

Uch fan are crazy

 

[Styles]

Very well then, why was his byakugan activated?

Same reason Kakashi's Sharingan was on really they was looking at what Lee did/the effects/buffs of the gate's.

Uch fan are crazy

Boi you dumb af.

 

[Lawlermelon]

-I want to make special note of wat Sasuke says to karin , she can anticipate movements by feeling the movement of chakra. Doesn't that make it plausible that the Byakugan can anticipate movement similarly by seeing the subtle vibrations which radiate from Ninja , same thing that Sasuke asked karin to feel and with the Byakugan a Hyuga would be easily capable of keeping a constant " Eye " on the enemy which is basically wat Sasuke thought was enough to actually anticipate B's movements so a Byakugan should do this better than karin right?

Your fanfic skills are strong but ultimately, everything you're saying is made up and bullshit and isn't proven in the manga. T3 sharingan > Byakugan always and forever and you can never say anything to prove otherwise. So stop trying to give the Byakugan feats it never had, nerd.

 

[Jinrou]

Your fanfic skills are strong but ultimately, everything you're saying is made up and bullshit and isn't proven in the manga. T3 sharingan > Byakugan always and forever and you can never say anything to prove otherwise. So stop trying to give the Byakugan feats it never had, nerd.

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Keyword: Anticipate

Same reason Kakashi's Sharingan was on really they was looking at what Lee did/the effects/buffs of the gate's.

Bro..Lee was moving very fast. You're telling me they were seeing the buff's from the gate without looking at the fast moving Lee?

 

[Oblivionx]

i think byakugan is more related to field of view while sharingan is precog type. You cannot hide or hit a byakugan user from a blind spot (almost) but with sharingan there is jus 120 degrees field of view that means if you surprise attack them or attack from behind with the likes of kamui or ftg then even if they have fast reactions, they won't see the attack coming. But with byakugan, they will see that attack and reacting will depend on their reactions.
So sharingan is better if you have you opponent tracked while byakugan is better if your opponent is a sneaky one.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Your fanfic skills are strong but ultimately, everything you're saying is made up and bullshit and isn't proven in the manga. T3 sharingan > Byakugan always and forever and you can never say anything to prove otherwise. So stop trying to give the Byakugan feats it never had, nerd.

I love your troll account.
Sasuke said the words out of his mouth exactly

 

[unknownvillain1254]

i think byakugan is more related to field of view while sharingan is precog type. You cannot hide or hit a byakugan user from a blind spot (almost) but with sharingan there is jus 120 degrees field of view that means if you surprise attack them or attack from behind with the likes of kamui or ftg then even if they have fast reactions, they won't see the attack coming. But with byakugan, they will see that attack and reacting will depend on their reactions.
So sharingan is better if you have you opponent tracked while byakugan is better if your opponent is a sneaky one.

Well I see it completely different I see the Sharingan eyes a tool for dualing one-on-one and the byakugan is for fighting multiple people and one on one.

And when it comes to the ability of tracking this is not even close match the byakugan has shown better abilities all around

 

[Lawlermelon]

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Keyword: Anticipate

Anticipate =\= precog

I can do this for the rest of eternity and you will never prove a damn thing.

 

[Jinrou]

Anticipate =\= precog

I can do this for the rest of eternity and you will never prove a damn thing.

lol that would mean you disagree with the manga and you disagree with the meaning of the word anticipate. Surely you wouldn't expect me to take you seriously?

 

[unknownvillain1254]

lol that would mean you disagree with the manga and you disagree with the meaning of the word anticipate. Surely you wouldn't expect me to take you seriously?

Okay first off you can't use the word precog because that is the wrong word . Precog mean u can see the future which is not what does sharingan does

 

[Jinrou]

Okay first off you can't use the word precog because that is the wrong word . Precog mean u can see the future which is not what does sharingan does

Well to be fair I kept on repeating the fact that it was a form of precog not precog in itself.

And the viz translation clearly says anticipate. Dictionary definitions give the implications that anticipate means to predict.