Byakugan abilities and Sharingan precog

[Jinrou]

What exactly is it?

The byakugan is able to track high speed movements as we saw in Lee's fight with Gaara. Neji activated it and was able to keep up with Lee's movement no diff.

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This should mean two things

1 The byakugan should be able keep up with users who use the body flicker technique as it isn't teleportation but simply high speed movement.

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Body Flicker Technique (Shunshin no Jutsu)

Ninjutsu, D-rank, Supplementary

Users: Gaara, Hatake Kakashi, et al

A movement technique with extreme speed like a gust of wind!!

Appearing along with the wind, disappearing like the wind: the ninja’s instantaneous movement technique. This super fast movement is almost impossible to grasp with the naked eye. If seen by an ordinary person, it would seem as if the user has teleported… In reality, the user has vitalized his body with chakra and moved at super speeds. The amount of chakra used up differs depending on the distance and elevation of their stopping point in comparison to the starting point.

The cloud of sand dances in the wind…

Haku’s and Kakashi’s Body Flicker. Dancing leaves and disappearing in an instant like mist.

There are many variations of the Body Flicker for the various villages and user. Gaara’s use includes the Sand Body Flicker. There are also the Mist Body Flicker, Water Body Flicker, and Leaf Body Flicker, among many others.

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2 If the byakugan's 360dv is active, no one whose speed is at the very least (Older Neji's byakugan would be able to track higher speeds) slower than 5G Lee should be able to escape their line of sight in a straight up fight.

Now i'm not sure where but i believe it was stated the sharingan reads the muscle movements of the opponents and generates an image of where their next movement would be before it happens hence precog?

If so, technically doesn't the byakugan do something similar? Since it has the ability to track high speed movements, fast taijutsu attacks would mean nothing because said attacks should appear slow to the byakugan user making it easier for them to react and dodge/parry which is what sharingan precog does but in the form of producing an image.

When one also considers the fact that the byakugan has

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than the sharingan one could argue that the byakugan can also read muscle movements and anticipate where the next strike could come from as i believe insight means deeper and better understanding.

With all this said, would it be plausible to say Sharingan gives automatic precog but byakugan also gives a sort of precog but in a manual manner?

 

[Jokule67]

Its up to the User of Byakugan to do the predictions whilst tracking high speed movements. With Sharingan the predictions are displayed for them, they actually "see" images and after images.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

^ this right here, the sharingan shows you an image of what their next movement is gonna be based on muscle twitches etc. as where the byakugan you can see the high speed movements, you would just have to guess what they're gonna do, so the precog part would be the users best guess(although it'd be easier obviously the more experience you get)

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Normal human field of vision is 120.

If something moves outside of that field faster than your eyes (and neck) can follow than you wont be able to track that movement

Byakugan has 360 field of vision and doesnt have that problem.Their eyes dont have to move in order to follow high speed movements.

 

[neosmith500]

No , 3T sharingan has the ability to literally see the next move before it happens giving the user time to react in advance while the Byakugan gives the user a superior version to 2T or 3T sharingans ability to catch high speed movement , this is "Insight" or wats referred to as the "piercing eye" which the Byakugan surpasses the 3T sharingan in.

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But no the Byakugan does not have any kind of precog at all.

 

[Jinrou]

Its up to the User of Byakugan to do the predictions whilst tracking high speed movements. With Sharingan the predictions are displayed for them, they actually "see" images and after images.

@bold My point exactly. That would mean manual tracking for the byakugan since the user goes through the reading of movements themselves while the sharingan does that reading automatically and displays the result for its user.

^ this right here, the sharingan shows you an image of what their next movement is gonna be based on muscle twitches etc. as where the byakugan you can see the high speed movements, you would just have to guess what they're gonna do, so the precog part would be the users best guess(although it'd be easier obviously the more experience you get)

The byakugan has better insight according to the manga. If the sharingan automatically reads and gets it right, there should be no problem for a byakugan user manually reading the movements to get it right too

Normal human field of vision is 120.

If something moves outside of that field faster than your eyes (and neck) can follow than you wont be able to track that movement

Byakugan has 360 field of vision and doesnt have that problem.Their eyes dont have to move in order to follow high speed movements.

@bold great point man. That would explain what was implied in the Killer bee vs Sasuke fight.

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No , 3T sharingan has the ability to literally see the next move before it happens giving the user time to react in advance while the Byakugan gives the user a superior version to 2T or 3T sharingans ability to catch high speed movement , this is "Insight" or wats referred to as the "piercing eye" which the Byakugan surpasses the 3T sharingan in.

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But no the Byakugan does not have any kind of precog at all.

@bold. Yes it does...by reading and understanding muscle twitches.

Perhaps we should look for the so called Vi? translation because insight literally means deeper understanding. The only way an after image would appear is after the sharingan understands what those twitches in the muscle mean and the resulting movement.

Byakugan too can see muscles i believe and since it has superior understanding compared to the sharingan, it should be able to guess right if its user decides to read the muscle movements.

And actually, how do you get out of the Los of someone who has 360dv and can actually see how you move and where you want to move no matter your speed?

 

[neosmith500]

@bold. Yes it does...by reading and understanding muscle twitches.

Perhaps we should look for the so called Vi? translation because insight literally means deeper understanding. The only way an after image would appear is after the sharingan understands what those twitches in the muscle mean and the resulting movement.

3T precog is a completely different ability compared to 2T and Byakugans ability to catch high speed movements. Think of 2T and Byakugans ability to catch speedy movements as a camera flash , while think of precog added by 3T as a picture that happens simultaneously with the camera flash showing u the next movemnt based of the camera flash. Thats the ability which only the 3T has which is to show the next move so no , byakugan has no form of precog at all.

Byakugan too can see muscles i believe and since it has superior understanding compared to the sharingan, it should be able to guess right if its user decides to read the muscle movements.

Seeing muscles is irrelevant unless u can prove that the byakugan has the ability to literally see the move before it happens.

And actually, how do you get out of the Los of someone who has 360dv and can actually see how you move and where you want to move no matter your speed?

U cant , but that doesn't mean that the user will have the mental input to respond if the enemy is fast enough.

 

[Pyro NB]

Its up to the User of Byakugan to do the predictions whilst tracking high speed movements. With Sharingan the predictions are displayed for them, they actually "see" images and after images.

This seems like the best answer to your question

 

[Jokule67]

@bold My point exactly. That would mean manual tracking for the byakugan since the user goes through the reading of movements themselves while the sharingan does that reading automatically and displays the result for its user.




The byakugan has better insight according to the manga. If the sharingan automatically reads and gets it right, there should be no problem for a byakugan user manually reading the movements to get it right too



@bold great point man. That would explain what was implied in the Killer bee vs Sasuke fight.

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@bold. Yes it does...by reading and understanding muscle twitches.

Perhaps we should look for the so called Vi? translation because insight literally means deeper understanding. The only way an after image would appear is after the sharingan understands what those twitches in the muscle mean and the resulting movement.

Byakugan too can see muscles i believe and since it has superior understanding compared to the sharingan, it should be able to guess right if its user decides to read the muscle movements.

And actually, how do you get out of the Los of someone who has 360dv and can actually see how you move and where you want to move no matter your speed?

The Byakugan doesnt guess at all though. The User does. The Byakugan sees things as its happening. The Sharingan displays images BEFORE it happens.

Yes Byakugan has greater insight but it cant see farther then what is happening at that very moment. Sharingan sees beyond what is happening.

 

[Jokule67]

Normal human field of vision is 120.

If something moves outside of that field faster than your eyes (and neck) can follow than you wont be able to track that movement

Byakugan has 360 field of vision and doesnt have that problem.Their eyes dont have to move in order to follow high speed movements.

Genius observation. So they never lose track.

 

[Jinrou]

The Byakugan doesnt guess at all though. The User does. The Byakugan sees things as its happening. The Sharingan displays images BEFORE it happens.

Yes Byakugan has greater insight but it cant see farther then what is happening at that very moment. Sharingan sees beyond what is happening.

3T precog is a completely different ability compared to 2T and Byakugans ability to catch high speed movements. Think of 2T and Byakugans ability to catch speedy movements as a camera flash , while think of precog added by 3T as a picture that happens simultaneously with the camera flash showing u the next movemnt based of the camera flash. Thats the ability which only the 3T has which is to show the next move so no , byakugan has no form of precog at all.

Seeing muscles is irrelevant unless u can prove that the byakugan has the ability to literally see the move before it happens.

U cant , but that doesn't mean that the user will have the mental input to respond if the enemy is fast enough.

Okay guys...something to entirely blow this out of the water lol.. I searched for where it was said sharingan reads muscle movements to predict movements. I couldn't find said scan but instead found this.

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What did Sasuke mean by subtle way power enters his body? I'm guessing chakra. It's basically still the same though..we know for a fact the byakugan sees and understands chakra better than the sharingan can and as such the byakugan user doesn't need the image sharingan creates as they can basically predict their opponents next moves themselves based on the power (chakra?) coursing through the body.

@bold true. It's the same with sharingan precog as killer bee decked Sasuke's head with his 7 sword taijutsu style iirc.

 

[Styles]

Neji couldn't track Lee tho. Kakashi and Neji was just seeing what the gates did/was doing to him. And it's basically what others have said.

 

[neosmith500]

Okay guys...something to entirely blow this out of the water lol.. I searched for where it was said sharingan reads muscle movements to predict movements. I couldn't find said scan but instead found this.


What did Sasuke mean by subtle way power enters his body? I'm guessing chakra. It's basically still the same though..we know for a fact the byakugan sees and understands chakra better than the sharingan can and as such the byakugan user doesn't need the image sharingan creates as they can basically predict their opponents next moves themselves.

Sasuke meant that with the subtle way Naruto builds physical and/or Chakra related "power" when planning his physical movements or attacks , the image of his next move becomes clear. For example Naruto sets and forms his body a certain way for each physical attack which correlates to his posture and how the image of the next move is seen when the sublte hints are given to the 3T.

@bold true. It's the same with sharingan precog as killer bee decked Sasuke's head with his 7 sword taijutsu style.

Yep .

Neji couldn't track Lee tho. Kakashi and Neji was just seeing what the gates did/was doing to him. And it's basically what others have said.

It was portrayed that Neji was in fact tracking Lee not to mention thats easily in the range of his byakugan's capability so where is ur proof that he couldn't track him?

 

[Jinrou]

Neji couldn't track Lee tho. Kakashi and Neji was just seeing what the gates did/was doing to him. And it's basically what others have said.

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Neji was tracking Lee.

Sasuke meant that with the subtle way Naruto builds physical and/or Chakra related "power" when planning his physical movements or attacks , the image of his next move becomes clear. For example Naruto sets and forms his body a certain way for each physical attack which correlates to his posture and how the image of the next move is seen when the sublte hints are given to the 3T.

lol byakugan can see that..It doesn't need the after image does it? Let me ask this way...How is Neji seeing Naruto in that scan and not know he's coming in with a right hook?

 

[neosmith500]

lol byakugan can see that..It doesn't need the after image does it? Let me ask this way...How is Neji seeing Naruto in that scan and not know he's coming in with a right hook?

The byakugan can only see the movements not anticipate it before it happens. Byakugan tracks in real time like 2T but doesn't have precog like 3T.

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To answer ur question about Neji seeing Naruto coming with a right hook , yes he could see it but that doesn't mean he'd react as quickly as Sasuke would since sasuke is literally reacting to a Image of that right hook before it has even been fully prepped.

 

[Jinrou]

The byakugan can only see the movements not anticipate it before it happens. Byakugan tracks in real time like 2T but doesn't have precog like 3T.

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To answer ur question about Neji seeing Naruto coming with a right hook , yes he could see it but that doesn't mean he'd react as quickly as Sasuke would since sasuke is literally reacting to a Image of that right hook before it has even been fully prepped.

The scans you posted though don't praise precog as a byakugan user with fast reactions will react in those scenarios due to their ability to track high speed movement. You also see clearly Sasuke is shocked when Naruto seemingly disappears from his front. Would that happen with a 360dv byakugan user?

 

[Jokule67]

Okay guys...something to entirely blow this out of the water lol.. I searched for where it was said sharingan reads muscle movements to predict movements. I couldn't find said scan but instead found this.

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What did Sasuke mean by subtle way power enters his body? I'm guessing chakra. It's basically still the same though..we know for a fact the byakugan sees and understands chakra better than the sharingan can and as such the byakugan user doesn't need the image sharingan creates as they can basically predict their opponents next moves themselves based on the power (chakra?) coursing through the body.

@bold true. It's the same with sharingan precog as killer bee decked Sasuke's head with his 7 sword taijutsu style iirc.

You just said the Byakugan user makes their own predictions. I've been saying that this whole time.

 

[neosmith500]

The scans you posted though don't praise precog as a byakugan user with fast reactions will react in those scenarios due to their ability to track high speed movement. You also see clearly Sasuke is shocked when Naruto seemingly disappears from his front. Would that happen with a 360dv byakugan user?

Sasuke was shocked at seeing the image of Naruto appearing behind him before he was actually there. Byakugan would allow the user to track and see Naruto moving in real time so they would have more trouble reacting than Sasuke if the hyuga is of relatively equal speed since sasuke is reacting to a image before the fact rather than having to react in real time.

 

[Jokule67]

The scans you posted though don't praise precog as a byakugan user with fast reactions will react in those scenarios due to their ability to track high speed movement. You also see clearly Sasuke is shocked when Naruto seemingly disappears from his front. Would that happen with a 360dv byakugan user?

Yes Neji would be suprised by the speed itself not that he cant see the movement. He just has to be fast enough to block the attacks as well as predict the next move on his own. Sharingan users advantage is in attacking at high speeds, Byakugan strength is in defending. Sharingan predicts next moves, Byakugan doesnt.

They know the next move before the opponent even knows themselves.

 

[Jinrou]

Sasuke was shocked at seeing the image of Naruto appearing behind him before he was actually there. Byakugan would allow the user to track and see Naruto moving in real time so they would have more trouble reacting than Sasuke if the hyuga is of relatively equal speed since sasuke is reacting to a image before the fact rather than having to react in real time.

Aren't you giving the sharingan a byakugan ability with @bold?

Again, the sharingan is presenting them with an afterimage but with byakugan they don't need that after image because of their superior insight. They would be able to know what moves the opponent is going to make based on what the sharingan uses to deduce it's. And that's noticing the subtle ways power courses through the body.

You also have to consider Gai praised gentle fist as the strongest taijutsu style despite having faced a sharingan user many times in Kakashi.

You just said the Byakugan user makes their own predictions. I've been saying that this whole time.

lol..so manual prediction then which i stated in the op ^^

Yes Neji would be suprised by the speed itself not that he cant see the movement. He just has to be fast enough to block the attacks as well as predict the next move on his own. Sharingan users advantage is in attacking at high speeds, Byakugan strength is in defending. Sharingan predicts next moves, Byakugan doesnt.

They know the next move before the opponent even knows themselves.

@bold is wrong. There is a prerequisite to seeing the after image and that's seeing the subtle way power enters the body.