Byakugan abilities and Sharingan precog

[Jinrou]

The BYAKUGAN is acting more like a supercomputer collecting all the information Chakra movement , muscle movement ,nervous system , bone and transferring it to the person lightning speed and slow down so the person can understand it.

This is one way of putting it lol

 

[LoZelda101]

I agree with ur post , Byakugan would keep simultaneous track of every single one of B's blades and Neji would be smart enough to know that fighting this style would be tricky so he'd instantly go for rotation when B attempts to strike followed by a imediate shunshin once B his blades bounce backwards from the deflection.

yeah, it's like what kidgamer said about the shin vs sakura, you either have the speed requirement or an ability to protect one self from it otherwise you lose. in this case, sasuke and neji should be able to react to KB however neji is the only one who has the protection to deal with the swordplay since kishi decided to not give sasuke his susanoo until GKS arc. (yes, you can have mobility with susanoo, edo itachi did it to save the jinks)

 

[unknownvillain1254]

yeah, it's like what kidgamer said about the shin vs sakura, you either have the speed requirement or an ability to protect one self from it otherwise you lose. in this case, sasuke and neji should be able to react to KB however neji is the only one who has the protection to deal with the swordplay since kishi decided to not give sasuke his susanoo until GKS arc. (yes, you can have mobility with susanoo, edo itachi did it to save the jinks)

I don't remember that

 

[unknownvillain1254]

This is one way of putting it lol

But add the sense ability u have built in spidey sense

 

[LoZelda101]

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I don't remember that

most uchiha haters don't :lol

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weaker stages do not have to be stationary. it followers the user.

 

[neosmith500]

lol yeah..i didn't notice the fact that Bee had more tails than Naruto granting him more speed. My bad.

And yeah...i didn't even realize i could use what Karin said. When you consider that Karin has to concentrate when she needs to feel the movement of chakra, one can come to a conclusion there would be a lag time as opposed to the byakugan where you can basically see all in real time. In the context of this thread, anticipate is the word i should have used all along..lol

You also notice Bee says "if you can make it in time" proving there would be a lag time for Karin whereas with the byakugan you can see all that would transpire.

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Very well then..i didn't understand before xD



Haha finally x3.




Agreed


Lol i must say at a point i was slightly getting confused about the point i was trying to put across. Then you soloed me and my thread with the @bold...not fair XD

But yes..that is what i've been trying to put across and anticipation was the word i should have used from the start. It now makes one realize how unfair Kishi was to the byakugan and hyuga. So much potential... their neglect was criminal.

I agree with everything here.

Yh so basically reactions still have a part to play as even though you can anticipate correctly, you have to have the body speed to be able to dodge.

Also, what do you think about Hiashi and Neji's byakugan tracking ability? Hiashi's eyes are superior being from the main house so would that mean he'll be able to track speedsters better than Neji?

What does Hiashi's eyes being from the Main branch have anything to do with it being superior? and no he wouldn't be able to track speedsters faster than Neji , that isn't based on anything apart from exp , Neji is faster and Hiashi has more skill.

Agreed also...but @bold? Why do you think precog would have done nothing? Lee's taijutsu isn't unorthodox is it?

I see KN0 Naruto with Lee level skill mirroring Kakashi Vs Zabuza where Zabuza was able to outperform him in Taijutsu. KN0 did ntn but rush , punch then repeat but yea Precog would still aid sasuke but not nearly as much as it did with a KN0 who had a 2 in Taijutsu and had only speed to work with , so once the speed advantage was done so was he.

Agreed. So you agree the byakugan has its own form in anticipation but would still be slower than the sharingan's precog right?

Pretty much i guess.

The BYAKUGAN is acting more like a supercomputer collecting all the information Chakra movement , muscle movement ,nervous system , bone and transferring it to the person lightning speed and slow down so the person can understand it.

No , the Byakugan has to apply different inputs for it to see different types of visionary modes so Chakra vision and muscle movements wont happen simultaneously.

yeah, it's like what kidgamer said about the shin vs sakura, you either have the speed requirement or an ability to protect one self from it otherwise you lose. in this case, sasuke and neji should be able to react to KB however neji is the only one who has the protection to deal with the swordplay since kishi decided to not give sasuke his susanoo until GKS arc. (yes, you can have mobility with susanoo, edo itachi did it to save the jinks)

Pretty much.

 

[UnknownJin]

Maybe I worded it wrong, I wasn't necessarily saying you could read the movements using the byakugan, but you can still track people and things moving at high speeds, an experienced byakugan user(assumedly) would be able to use that to counter better than one would with just normal eyes

True that... also gives 360vision which is far better then normal eyes

 

[unknownvillain1254]

I agree with everything here.







What does Hiashi's eyes being from the Main branch have anything to do with it being superior? and no he wouldn't be able to track speedsters faster than Neji , that isn't based on anything apart from exp , Neji is faster and Hiashi has more skill.






I see KN0 Naruto with Lee level skill mirroring Kakashi Vs Zabuza where Zabuza was able to outperform him in Taijutsu. KN0 did ntn but rush , punch then repeat but yea Precog would still aid sasuke but not nearly as much as it did with a KN0 who had a 2 in Taijutsu and had only speed to work with , so once the speed advantage was done so was he.




Pretty much i guess.





No , the Byakugan has to apply different inputs for it to see different types of visionary modes so Chakra vision and muscle movements wont happen simultaneously.





Pretty much.

i never said is use all these vision at one time but switching between is easy

 

[neosmith500]

i never said is use all these vision at one time

U said its like a supercomputer where it collects all the info depicted from its visionary modes ,the way u worded ur post pointed me to that conclusion.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

U said its like a supercomputer where it collects all the info depicted from its visionary modes ,the way u worded ur post pointed me to that conclusion.

well its like a supercomputer it collect info if the person is 50 meter range from them in 360 vision neji can use till see the chakar system and whatever he need in that range but outside that range he has to swtch between mode like long distant

 

[Jinrou]

What does Hiashi's eyes being from the Main branch have anything to do with it being superior? and no he wouldn't be able to track speedsters faster than Neji , that isn't based on anything apart from exp , Neji is faster and Hiashi has more skill.

That's based on the fact that Hinata's byakugan was superior to Neji's in part 1. In Neji's fight with Kidomaru, he never attempted to use the singular view of the byakugan to at least pinpoint Kido despite knowing the direction he was attacking from in the later stages of the fight. Hinata's byakugan was able to see 1km and based on how it's worded, 1km probably wasn't her limit.

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This along with the fact that in the war the main house members were used to help the yamanaka with the sniping proves the main house's byakugan is superior to the branch members.

I see KN0 Naruto with Lee level skill mirroring Kakashi Vs Zabuza where Zabuza was able to outperform him in Taijutsu. KN0 did ntn but rush , punch then repeat but yea Precog would still aid sasuke but not nearly as much as it did with a KN0 who had a 2 in Taijutsu and had only speed to work with , so once the speed advantage was done so was he.

Ohh good point. The chakra only enhanced Naruto's speed but his taijutsu style of only punching was what was detrimental to him in that fight. I get what you mean.

 

[neosmith500]

That's based on the fact that Hinata's byakugan was superior to Neji's in part 1. In Neji's fight with Kidomaru, he never attempted to use the singular view of the byakugan to at least pinpoint Kido despite knowing the direction he was attacking from in the later stages of the fight. Hinata's byakugan was able to see 1km and based on how it's worded, 1km probably wasn't her limit.

Ntn suggest that Hinata's eyes were superior in p1 , the only limit Neji had in P1 that was 50M was his 360Dv. Hinata used handsigns to see that 1k distance in a straight path which is different from seeing in 360 and P1 Neji can do the same if he chooses to do so by weaving signs with the goal of seeing that 1k distance.

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It was redundant against Kidmaru simply because he was constantly attacking Neji from every single angle which required 360Dv and the limit of that was 50m at the time. Its a popular misconception that Hinata has superior eyes.

This along with the fact that in the war the main house members were used to help the yamanaka with the sniping proves the main house's byakugan is superior to the branch members.

Lol u have no proof of knowing if every hyuga who did this was from the Main apart from the obvious. Bold doesn't make any sense nor was this ever noted or implied.

 

[Jinrou]

Ntn suggest that Hinata's eyes were superior in p1 , the only limit Neji had in P1 that was 50M was his 360Dv. Hinata used handsigns to see that 1k distance in a straight path which is different from seeing in 360 and P1 Neji can do the same if he chooses to do so by weaving signs with the goal of seeing that 1k distance.

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It was redundant against Kidmaru simply because he was constantly attacking Neji from every single angle which required 360Dv and the limit of that was 50m at the time. Its a popular misconception that Hinata has superior eyes.

Lol u have no proof of knowing if every hyuga who did this was from the Main apart from the obvious. Bold doesn't make any sense nor was this ever noted or implied.

The scan you posted though doesn't add anything here. It's showing Neji doing a handseal to see into Shino and we both know as the story went on, handseals weren't needed for that.

For Kidomaru, like i said in later stages of the fight, Neji could have focused in the direction he knew the attack was coming from but didn't and opted to run away.

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was done nigh instantly and considering the fact that Neji's handseal speed was superior to Hinata's, he could have done it faster than she did(if such a thing is possible)

Also, Kido gave Neji a brief moment of respite to set up traps and despite Neji knowing he was behind him, he didn't try to use the straight line look to at least scan the location behind him for Kido.

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I really don't think it's a misconception tbh and yes it was implied.

Neji displayed more byakugan abilities than Hinata and Hiashi combined but what he didn't display was long distance viewing. Neji and Hinata were in the same division and were even fighting side by side but when it came to the long distance sniping, Kishi decided to not include Neji but Hiashi that was in division 1? That looks more like he was portraying the main branch's byakugan to be superior.

Also i'm not even sure where it was stated the straight viewing and 360dv were different? It's looks like its the same thing because straight viewing sounds like enhancing the normal 120dv view so does that mean you can't enhance the 120dv at the back too?

I mean looking at the scan below, it does look like Hinata used 360dv because she wasn't looking in the direction Kakashi asked her to.

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[neosmith500]

The scan you posted though doesn't add anything here. It's showing Neji doing a handseal to see into Shino and we both know as the story went on, handseals weren't needed for that.

I used the scan to show that handsigns are used for adding more chakra/focus into watever task needs to be done like wat hinata did.

For Kidomaru, like i said in later stages of the fight, Neji could have focused in the direction he knew the attack was coming from but didn't and opted to run away.

For that he would've needed to stop and focus his vision into that specific area and since he didn't know his eaxct location that would've been too dangerous , not to mention his tactic of running away and constantly shifting his blindspot by moving his head with 360Dv was easily the better option of the two since Neji wasn't in a postion to even think about adavncing towards kido so him standing still to focus his vision in order to simply see kido would've done ntn at all for Neji.

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was done nigh instantly and considering the fact that Neji's handseal speed was superior to Hinata's, he could have done it faster than she did(if such a thing is possible)

Already covered , him seeing kido would've done ntn since Neji didn't even have time to think about approaching kido and him risking his life to zero in on him wouldn't be as effective as the tactic Neji employed instead.

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Also, Kido gave Neji a brief moment of respite to set up traps and despite Neji knowing he was behind him, he didn't try to use the straight line look to at least scan the location behind him for Kido.

What would that have done?

I really don't think it's a misconception tbh and yes it was implied.

Neji displayed more byakugan abilities than Hinata and Hiashi combined but what he didn't display was long distance viewing. Neji and Hinata were in the same division and were even fighting side by side but when it came to the long distance sniping, Kishi decided to not include Neji but Hiashi that was in division 1? That looks more like he was portraying the main branch's byakugan to be superior.

Not exactly unless u can prove that only members from the main branch were included and also where it was implied that Main branch has superior range , so Hiashi has superior range than Hizashi simply because he was born a minute earlier??

Also i'm not even sure where it was stated the straight viewing and 360dv were different? It's looks like its the same thing because straight viewing sounds like enhancing the normal 120dv view so does that mean you can't enhance the 120dv at the back too?

They can be used simultaneously but that takes more focus and is done with the use of handsigns.

I mean looking at the scan below, it does look like Hinata used 360dv because she wasn't looking in the direction Kakashi asked her to.

It looks like Hinata was looking in the very direction kakashi told her to with the same long range vision used with a handsign so i dont see how 360Dv was involved here when it wasn't even needed.

 

[To Whatever]

I used the scan to show that handsigns are used for adding more chakra/focus into watever task needs to be done like wat hinata did.




For that he would've needed to stop and focus his vision into that specific area and since he didn't know his eaxct location that would've been too dangerous , not to mention his tactic of running away and constantly shifting his blindspot by moving his head with 360Dv was easily the better option of the two since Neji wasn't in a postion to even think about adavncing towards kido so him standing still to focus his vision in order to simply see kido would've done ntn at all for Neji.





Already covered , him seeing kido would've done ntn since Neji didn't even have time to think about approaching kido and him risking his life to zero in on him wouldn't be as effective as the tactic Neji employed instead.

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What would that have done?







Not exactly unless u can prove that only members from the main branch were included and also where it was implied that Main branch has superior range , so Hiashi has superior range than Hizashi simply because he was born a minute earlier??




They can be used simultaneously but that takes more focus and is done with the use of handsigns.





It looks like Hinata was looking in the very direction kakashi told her to with the same long range vision used with a handsign so i dont see how 360Dv was involved here when it wasn't even needed.

Can't argue with that logic.

 

[Jinrou]

I used the scan to show that handsigns are used for adding more chakra/focus into watever task needs to be done like wat hinata did.

So in other words, Neji needed more chakra/focus to see inside Shino?

For that he would've needed to stop and focus his vision into that specific area and since he didn't know his eaxct location that would've been too dangerous , not to mention his tactic of running away and constantly shifting his blindspot by moving his head with 360Dv was easily the better option of the two since Neji wasn't in a postion to even think about adavncing towards kido so him standing still to focus his vision in order to simply see kido would've done ntn at all for Neji.

How would it have been dangerous? Focusing vision only takes seconds as we can see with Hinata in the forest of death. Also notice its the full eye vision that we can see zooming in on Gaara? Normal vision is 120 degrees so if he had turned facing that direction and focused his full 120 into zoom to scan for Kido, he would have been able to avoid the arrow neg diff.

Already covered , him seeing kido would've done ntn since Neji didn't even have time to think about approaching kido and him risking his life to zero in on him wouldn't be as effective as the tactic Neji employed instead.

By this logic, doesn't that mean shippuden Neji would face the same problem with Kidomaru? You're saying if Neji could see him, nothing would have changed in the fight? He won't be risking his life if he has full 120 zoom on Kido...Kido has to be behind him to attack his blindspot.

What would that have done?

He could have done a manual 120dv zoom to scan the area and find Kido or at the very least notice he had set up traps.

Not exactly unless u can prove that only members from the main branch were included and also where it was implied that Main branch has superior range , so Hiashi has superior range than Hizashi simply because he was born a minute earlier??

No i can't prove it but there have been so many implied hints all the way from part 1.

I mean Hinata's reaction and Neji's words (My eyes can even see the tenketsu) sort of imply Neji's byakugan isn't supposed to see the tenketsu...

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Coupled with Neji vs Kido and war arc sniping, that's one implied hint too many.

They can be used simultaneously but that takes more focus and is done with the use of handsigns.

Again with the handsigns lol..Hiashi didn't use handsigns when he looked at the village that was destroyed far away

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It looks like Hinata was looking in the very direction kakashi told her to with the same long range vision used with a handsign so i dont see how 360Dv was involved here when it wasn't even needed.

It was a brief 360 because 4 o clock was behind her and we see she

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It actually even further buttresses my point. Neji didn't even need to face Kido to enhance his rear vision's 120 zoom to find him right?

 

[neosmith500]

So in other words, Neji needed more chakra/focus to see inside Shino?

Na , he did so to use his x ray vision it seems.

How would it have been dangerous? Focusing vision only takes seconds as we can see with Hinata in the forest of death. Also notice its the full eye vision that we can see zooming in on Gaara? Normal vision is 120 degrees so if he had turned facing that direction and focused his full 120 into zoom to scan for Kido, he would have been able to avoid the arrow neg diff.

Going with this still means that simply shifting his blindpot with 360dv while running would've allowed him to avoid the arrow even easier since he knew kido was behind him , but again he didn't have time to think about such things since he didn't even have time to think about approaching kido after seeing him not to mention kido could also see him along with the fact that he was injured as i noted.

By this logic, doesn't that mean shippuden Neji would face the same problem with Kidomaru? You're saying if Neji could see him, nothing would have changed in the fight? He won't be risking his life if he has full 120 zoom on Kido...Kido has to be behind him to attack his blindspot.

Neji's 360Dv limit in part2 is beyond 50m and all his other stats like speed would've allowed him to make easy work of kido not to mention ur not considering Neji's injuries by that point among other things.

He could have done a manual 120dv zoom to scan the area and find Kido or at the very least notice he had set up traps.

Even when Kido was inside the range of his Byakugan and didn't have a clue about byakugan neji still didn't see him setting up traps and that was base kido.

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No i can't prove it but there have been so many implied hints all the way from part 1.

I mean Hinata's reaction and Neji's words (My eyes can even see the tenketsu) sort of imply Neji's byakugan isn't supposed to see the tenketsu...

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The moment i read that scan it was clear to me that the translation meant for Neji to simply agree that from the start he was hitting her tenketsu , especially when considering that Hinata was clearly also seeing them just as easily as Neji was and no where was it ever hinted by any Hyuga including Hiashi that side branch members were not supposed to be capable of seeing tenketsu.

-Also i still waiting on ur answer in regards to why a Main branch member would have better distance viewing than the side branch because with Hiashi and hizashi being twins ur gonna have to show me some scans or DB notations to show that simply titled as a Main branch member or being born first has anything to do with the range the hyuga can see.

Hinata and hanabi are both from the same parents like Hiashi and Hizashi so does that mean Hanabi has better seeing range than her uncle Hizashi simply because she has the title of being from the Main family despite both bein the younger sibling in their family??

Coupled with Neji vs Kido and war arc sniping, that's one implied hint too many.

Ur gonna have to try really hard to prove this implication to me because im not seeing anything at all lol.

Again with the handsigns lol..Hiashi didn't use handsigns when he looked at the village that was destroyed far away

Hisahi is a 40+ year old vet not to mention the juubi was wildly shooting its blasts so why wouldn't it be possible that he used a quick handsign or that he was already in distance tracking vision before the panel decided to show him??

LOL U make it seem like handseals are completly irrelevant.

It was a brief 360 because 4 o clock was behind her and we see she

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It actually even further buttresses my point. Neji didn't even need to face Kido to enhance his rear vision's 120 zoom to find him right?

It does appears ur right , but it doesn't prove ur case since as i noted before they can be used simultaneously just like p2 Neji used his so hinata likely did the same here by focusing more chakra with her handseal.

-Again , by simply shifting his blindspot he would've seen the arrow. Neji would need to focus in order to zoom in on kido , he didn't know if kido had traps set all over the place so why risk it when simply seeing kido would've done ntn due to traps from multiple angles along with not having a safe way to try to confront kido who was in full health , could see Neji and could easily shunshin away from the injured Neji if anything??

-Neji not facing Kido in oder to zoom in is irrelevant since he still had his Blindspot which kido could still see and exploit.

 

[Styles]

Scan before the one you're talking about

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Neji was tracking Lee.



lol byakugan can see that..It doesn't need the after image does it? Let me ask this way...How is Neji seeing Naruto in that scan and not know he's coming in with a right hook?

That's not Neji tracking Lee. Sharingan has better precog and i think even Kakashi couldn't track him.

 

[Jinrou]

Na , he did so to use his x ray vision it seems.

Then why don't we see any hyuga use handseals to use their x-ray vision after that?

Going with this still means that simply shifting his blindpot with 360dv while running would've allowed him to avoid the arrow even easier since he knew kido was behind him , but again he didn't have time to think about such things since he didn't even have time to think about approaching kido after seeing him not to mention kido could also see him along with the fact that he was injured as i noted.

Despite the injuries, Neji still blitzed him at the end. A point where he was worse off since he had taken a direct hit from the spinning Again, with this logic shippuden Neji would face the same problems with Kido as you're implying seeing Kido would have done nothing to change the tide of the fight.

Neji's 360Dv limit in part2 is beyond 50m and all his other stats like speed would've allowed him to make easy work of kido not to mention ur not considering Neji's injuries by that point among other things.

It was his speed at the end that made him make easy work of Kido was it not? Neji had the speed back then too but couldn't make easy work of Kido simply because he could not see him at all. Again, before the final arrow Neji wasn't near death. The final arrow put him near death but he still blitzed Kido.

Even when Kido was inside the range of his Byakugan and didn't have a clue about byakugan neji still didn't see him setting up traps and that was base kido.

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Fair enough...but fact is he scanned at a point in time and found Kido.

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The moment i read that scan it was clear to me that the translation meant for Neji to simply agree that from the start he was hitting her tenketsu , especially when considering that Hinata was clearly also seeing them just as easily as Neji was and no where was it ever hinted by any Hyuga including Hiashi that side branch members were not supposed to be capable of seeing tenketsu.

If it was a known fact that he could see tenketsu then the dialogue should have been something like "Yes i have been hitting your tenketsu from the start" should it not? He says "My eyes can even see the tenketsu" as if to let Hinata know the fact that he can see tenketsu with his eyes. Why say that if it was already a fact he could see tenketsu normally?

-Also i still waiting on ur answer in regards to why a Main branch member would have better distance viewing than the side branch because with Hiashi and hizashi being twins ur gonna have to show me some scans or DB notations to show that simply titled as a Main branch member or being born first has anything to do with the range the hyuga can see.

Hinata and hanabi are both from the same parents like Hiashi and Hizashi so does that mean Hanabi has better seeing range than her uncle Hizashi simply because she has the title of being from the Main family despite both bein the younger sibling in their family??

Ur gonna have to try really hard to prove this implication to me because im not seeing anything at all lol.

Fair enough lol...I concede from the main byakugan > branch byakugan but continue with the fact Hinata and Hiashi's byakugan are portrayed as superior to Neji's.

Iirc, Hinata was shown, Hiashi was shown and even Lee was shown. What was the reason Neji wasn't shown when the alliance arrived? Neji and Hinata were fighting side by side yet it was Hiashi and Hinata that were shown as relevant hyuuga characters that helped with the changing of the direction of the tbb. If Neji helped, there wasn't any reason for him not to be shown when Lee himself was shown.

Hisahi is a 40+ year old vet not to mention the juubi was wildly shooting its blasts so why wouldn't it be possible that he used a quick handsign or that he was already in distance tracking vision before the panel decided to show him??

LOL U make it seem like handseals are completly irrelevant.

Because his byakugan was already activated and according to your description of using handsigns to extend/focus the seal is supposed to remain as they use it.

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@bold Not really..i'm just tryng to show you Kishi was so inconsistent with handsigns and activating byakugan. Cases in point include Hinata activating byakugan/360 with handseals despite already having byakugan active

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And Neji using handseals to use x-ray on shino back in part 1

It does appears ur right , but it doesn't prove ur case since as i noted before they can be used simultaneously just like p2 Neji used his so hinata likely did the same here by focusing more chakra with her handseal.

-Again , by simply shifting his blindspot he would've seen the arrow. Neji would need to focus in order to zoom in on kido , he didn't know if kido had traps set all over the place so why risk it when simply seeing kido would've done ntn due to traps from multiple angles along with not having a safe way to try to confront kido who was in full health , could see Neji and could easily shunshin away from the injured Neji if anything??

-Neji not facing Kido in oder to zoom in is irrelevant since he still had his Blindspot which kido could still see and exploit.

Now you've agreed it can be used simultaneously but aren't giving me specifics on why if Neji could see more than 50m, he didn't use it.

- You're using the element of surprise Kido could possibly have but not considering the element of surprise Neji too has if he could see ahead of 50m. After that arrow went through the tree and his headband, if Neji had turned and faced that direction and used extended vision, he would have found Kido and since Kido doesn't know he can see him, he wouldn't react fast enough to a blitz by Neji.

How exactly would it be irrelevant? Kido's whole plot was to shoot an arrow outside of Neji's range and manipulate it into the blindspot at the back of his head. If Neji had turned and faced Kido, there are 2 things that changes..

- He completely shifts the blindspot away from Kido's sight...as in completely the other way.
- Kido cant manipulate the arrow as the 120dv view doesn't have a blindspot. If Neji had the ability to see 1km like Hinata, he sees the arrow in its entirety and Kido himself.

That's not Neji tracking Lee. Sharingan has better precog and i think even Kakashi couldn't track him.

Neji clearly says something along the lines of "This is Lee?" or sth. He was seeing Lee so he was tracking him.