[Discussion] Because luffy and sanji decided to fight

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Undoubtedly their only chance of success if to weaken big mom's armor and hit her with their absolute most powerful attacks.

The question I have is: how do you think they could weaken her defense again?

Germa 66 can take care of big mom's crew (to a point) but that's not what I am worried about

Or do you think they will try fighting, have no success and decide to flee later on anyways?

Edit: I just want the wg to send akainu and some vice admirals to go screw big mom's crew up .
 
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I really dunno at this moment but there is absolute null chance of escaping , luffy cannot do marineford here this is Yonko territory . Some one like Caesar clown is not trusted with escaping . Only thing is fight and run !!

Yes no body wants Yonko to fall down so early in this arc but i dont see much of big mom's role in future arc other than Elbafs arc !!
 
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Let's calm down a not compare the two. Akainu isn't doing anything to Big mam with her children there.
Big mam's are already vice admiral level. So if Akainu goes there with a few VA's, he's gonna be dealing with Dogtooth, Smoothie, and possibly Cracker all by himself and he'll surely get dealt with. Add Big mam into the mix and he dies horribly.
 

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Let's calm down a not compare the two. Akainu isn't doing anything to Big mam with her children there.
Big mam's are already vice admiral level. So if Akainu goes there with a few VA's, he's gonna be dealing with Dogtooth, Smoothie, and possibly Cracker all by himself and he'll surely get dealt with. Add Big mam into the mix and he dies horribly.
Akainu > big mom
 

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Someone noted that all the characters out there fighting can fly, meaning escaping is still pretty possible after a small shuffle.

Off topic: Akainu gets spanked.
 

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Because Luffy and Sanji decided to fight a BM defeat seems probable. An escape is unlikely now with the Tamatebako (seemingly) gone and someone busting in now would be a huge case of plot shield which should annoy most so that leaves the scenario of Luffy and co. fighting their way out.

I doubt Oda would have his MC come back after training with the PK's right hand, make a statement like "I'll never lose again" just to lose a few villains later. Plus if Luffy loses now then logically his story and journey would end because BM wouldn't let him live after this so if there's no more escape then the only option is victory.
 

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Let's calm down a not compare the two. Akainu isn't doing anything to Big mam with her children there.
Big mam's are already vice admiral level. So if Akainu goes there with a few VA's, he's gonna be dealing with Dogtooth, Smoothie, and possibly Cracker all by himself and he'll surely get dealt with. Add Big mam into the mix and he dies horribly.
Umm Smoothie got hit and injured by sanji sister... and cracker make s crackers... (I know smoothie hasn't gone all out but stilk) what are these two suppose to do to akainu..... A kainu would burn them both we seen an injured A kainu block a first mate haki and one of strongest swordsman in one piece at the same time....


The only one who is comparable (and that is strong word) other THE N BM herself would be dog tooth and even he is not worth mentioning... I wonder if his sticky shit is flammable if so .... there would be no hope for that crew against the magma brat..
 

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Umm Smoothie got hit and injured by sanji sister... and cracker make s crackers... (I know smoothie hasn't gone all out but stilk) what are these two suppose to do to akainu..... A kainu would burn them both we seen an injured A kainu block a first mate haki and one of strongest swordsman in one piece at the same time....


The only one who is comparable (and that is strong word) other THE N BM herself would be dog tooth and even he is not worth mentioning... I wonder if his sticky shit is flammable if so .... there would be no hope for that crew against the magma brat..
Smoothie wasn't injured.
 

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Because Luffy and Sanji decided to fight a BM defeat seems probable. An escape is unlikely now with the Tamatebako (seemingly) gone and someone busting in now would be a huge case of plot shield which should annoy most so that leaves the scenario of Luffy and co. fighting their way out.

I doubt Oda would have his MC come back after training with the PK's right hand, make a statement like "I'll never lose again" just to lose a few villains later. Plus if Luffy loses now then logically his story and journey would end because BM wouldn't let him live after this so if there's no more escape then the only option is victory.
How you can come to this conclusion after reading the last chapter is a mystery to me.

When everyone was fighting together, their defeat was imminent. But now somehow with less people on the Battlefield Luffy has a shot to take down Big Mom ?

Your entire post is filled with stuff that will set you up for disappointment in either the story, in Luffy or in Oda.

Because with Luffy there and the Vinsmoke family they have 7 fighters on their side. Against the entire Big Mom family. Even the fodders who were shooting have haki, as proven this chapter. Most Vinsmokes had to shield behind their raid suits while the top fighters didn't even make a move yet. Reiju got burned by Prometheus while her raid suit was supposed to be fire proof.

If you don't see how much of a problem that is than I don't know anymore. But I guess since you were underestimating Big Mom from the very start you're just going all in on it now and praying that Luffy will win by some kind of miracle.

As for the escape, you're also wrong there. 5 Vinsmokes have raid suits that enable them to fly, Sanji has sky walk and Luffy can fly with Gear 4th. There is also still the bomb at the bottom of the cake. We could see a self sacrifice of Judge to pay for his sins and have a new generation of Vinsmokes lead the kingdom in a better way and possibly joining the grand fleet.

But the amount of strong opponents verses allied members is like 3:1, and you still have an army of fodder unloading on you.

And to give a reason which is not story related as to why were not going to have a big fight. Oda confirmed both the start of the Reverie arc and Wano in 2017 at Jumpfiesta in December 2016. Seeing we're already half way through the year, I very much doubt this will be taking much longer.

If the Vinsmokes were strong enough to rival themselves with sweet commanders and Big Mom, why did they come for power to her for taking North Blue. They could've done that easily on their own.
 

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Umm Smoothie got hit and injured by sanji sister... and cracker make s crackers... (I know smoothie hasn't gone all out but stilk) what are these two suppose to do to akainu..... A kainu would burn them both we seen an injured A kainu block a first mate haki and one of strongest swordsman in one piece at the same time....
I'm yet to see Smoothie take injury from any Germa66 and cracker has one of the best buso haki shown in the series. His crackers are like doffy's strings which takes no stamina to make. So akainu's magma isn't going to be a problem considering that he wants his crackers to stay dry as possible. Aokiji would be a worse match up.

And Akainu never blocked marco's kick, he just withstood he bypassed it like Aokiji did from WB biscento. Vista is not top contender, he isn't one of the strongest sword's men in all of onepiece because if we were to be frank righ now, Shanks beats him and he's a swordsman.
You're also making light of the situation how dogtooth can see into the future a bit (powerful observation Haki) and Cracker's buso Haki being the only one to pierce luffy's G4.
The only one who is comparable (and that is strong word) other THE N BM herself would be dog tooth and even he is not worth mentioning... I wonder if his sticky shit is flammable if so .... there would be no hope for that crew against the magma brat..
Water is his weakness so fire would help then do more harm. Let's not forget those jelly shots can we? He has considerable fire power.
 

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Big mam would smash Akainu. I don't even know if Garp or Rayleigh is stronger than Big mam and you know Garp and Rayleigh will destroy Akainu.
Akainu would smash big mom

Someone noted that all the characters out there fighting can fly, meaning escaping is still pretty possible after a small shuffle.

Off topic: Akainu gets spanked.
No he doesn't try again
 
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Akainu > big mom
So you go eat shit with akainu.
Big mam would smash Akainu. I don't even know if Garp or Rayleigh is stronger than Big mam and you know Garp and Rayleigh will destroy Akainu.
Garp is stronger than big mom. I dont know if rayleigh can beat big mom because he maybe as strong as shanks in his prime and akainu vs. Big mom? Shit i dont know if akainu can make big mom to extreme diff or hard difff but mid diff sure because he maybe became stronger after these two years and after getting trampled to old man wb
Because Luffy and Sanji decided to fight a BM defeat seems probable. An escape is unlikely now with the Tamatebako (seemingly) gone and someone busting in now would be a huge case of plot shield which should annoy most so that leaves the scenario of Luffy and co. fighting their way out.

I doubt Oda would have his MC come back after training with the PK's right hand, make a statement like "I'll never lose again" just to lose a few villains later. Plus if Luffy loses now then logically his story and journey would end because BM wouldn't let him live after this so if there's no more escape then the only option is victory.
Yah i agree with this
 

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I'm yet to see Smoothie take injury from any Germa66 and cracker has one of the best buso haki shown in the series. His crackers are like doffy's strings which takes no stamina to make. So akainu's magma isn't going to be a problem considering that he wants his crackers to stay dry as possible. Aokiji would be a worse match up.

And Akainu never blocked marco's kick, he just withstood he bypassed it like Aokiji did from WB biscento. Vista is not top contender, he isn't one of the strongest sword's men in all of onepiece because if we were to be frank righ now, Shanks beats him and he's a swordsman.
You're also making light of the situation how dogtooth can see into the future a bit (powerful observation Haki) and Cracker's buso Haki being the only one to pierce luffy's G4.

Water is his weakness so fire would help then do more harm. Let's not forget those jelly shots can we? He has considerable fire power.
Akainu spanked the strongest yonko. Try again

Akainu will get dealt with. Yonkou level>Admiral level
There's no proof to that as an admiral did more damage to a yonko then a yonko did to an admiral

I'm yet to see Smoothie take injury from any Germa66 and cracker has one of the best buso haki shown in the series. His crackers are like doffy's strings which takes no stamina to make. So akainu's magma isn't going to be a problem considering that he wants his crackers to stay dry as possible. Aokiji would be a worse match up.

And Akainu never blocked marco's kick, he just withstood he bypassed it like Aokiji did from WB biscento. Vista is not top contender, he isn't one of the strongest sword's men in all of onepiece because if we were to be frank righ now, Shanks beats him and he's a swordsman.
You're also making light of the situation how dogtooth can see into the future a bit (powerful observation Haki) and Cracker's buso Haki being the only one to pierce luffy's G4.

Water is his weakness so fire would help then do more harm. Let's not forget those jelly shots can we? He has considerable fire power.
Fire would dry out dogtooth. The fact you're trying to say dog tooth > Akainu makes you dumb asf
 
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How you can come to this conclusion after reading the last chapter is a mystery to me.

When everyone was fighting together, their defeat was imminent. But now somehow with less people on the Battlefield Luffy has a shot to take down Big Mom ?

Your entire post is filled with stuff that will set you up for disappointment in either the story, in Luffy or in Oda.

Because with Luffy there and the Vinsmoke family they have 7 fighters on their side. Against the entire Big Mom family. Even the fodders who were shooting have haki, as proven this chapter. Most Vinsmokes had to shield behind their raid suits while the top fighters didn't even make a move yet. Reiju got burned by Prometheus while her raid suit was supposed to be fire proof.

If you don't see how much of a problem that is than I don't know anymore. But I guess since you were underestimating Big Mom from the very start you're just going all in on it now and praying that Luffy will win by some kind of miracle.

As for the escape, you're also wrong there. 5 Vinsmokes have raid suits that enable them to fly, Sanji has sky walk and Luffy can fly with Gear 4th. There is also still the bomb at the bottom of the cake. We could see a self sacrifice of Judge to pay for his sins and have a new generation of Vinsmokes lead the kingdom in a better way and possibly joining the grand fleet.

But the amount of strong opponents verses allied members is like 3:1, and you still have an army of fodder unloading on you.

And to give a reason which is not story related as to why were not going to have a big fight. Oda confirmed both the start of the Reverie arc and Wano in 2017 at Jumpfiesta in December 2016. Seeing we're already half way through the year, I very much doubt this will be taking much longer.

If the Vinsmokes were strong enough to rival themselves with sweet commanders and Big Mom, why did they come for power to her for taking North Blue. They could've done that easily on their own.
Quit typing so much, it doesn't help you at all, you don't seem smarter or make any better arguments doing so. It's pointless, reading all you write is worthless and boring, I yawn everytime I see you post something, it's so boring to read and almost everything you write is your own opinion. You rarely post Manga facts and you choose which ever character you like more and try to argue they win no matter what which makes anything you say regarding a bout nonsense

You talking about the yonkou that slaughtered Akainu and knocked unconscious and threw him underneath the marineford? Try again. Dying WB dealt with Akainu with less than 1/3 of his strength.
He went beneath marine ford on his own to go fight more people, he was never unconscious, try again. White beard sneak attacked him and still got spanked. Akainu tanked two gura punches, nothing big mom or any of her crew do can hurt Akainu or stop his onslaught, especially if whiteboard couldnt
 
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So you go eat shit with akainu.

Garp is stronger than big mom. I dont know if rayleigh can beat big mom because he maybe as strong as shanks in his prime and akainu vs. Big mom? Shit i dont know if akainu can make big mom to extreme diff or hard difff but mid diff sure because he maybe became stronger after these two years and after getting trampled to old man wb


Yah i agree with this
I think in his prime he stronger than Big mam but I feel like current Garp is with Rayleigh level.
 

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I think in his prime he stronger than Big mam but I feel like current Garp is with Rayleigh level.
Akainu had to protect marine hq, had to protect the the stand, couldnt fight all out or he would've hurt his comrads and potentially hurt marine ford further. Stalemate whiteboards gura punch with lava fist, and still dId more damage to whiteboard all before the 2 year time skip so now he in undoubtedly more stronger. Oda said if liffy had Akainu strength and power he would find one piece in a year and now Akainu has had two years go get stronger
 
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