[Discussion] Because luffy and sanji decided to fight

[Rikudou Tobi]

He went beneath marine ford on his own to go fight more people, he was never unconscious, try again. White beard sneak attacked him and still got spanked. Akainu tanked two gura punches, nothing big mom or any of her crew do can hurt Akainu or stop his onslaught, especially if whiteboard couldnt

Nice fan fiction manga. Now watch as Whitebeard smashes Akainu and then Akainu tunnels his way through the marineford after BB finished killing WB, something Akainu couldn't do because he was too busy laying unconscious or hiding for 30 minutes.

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If you wanna talk about sneak attack, I can always post the one of WB falling on his knees coughing blood from squadron and then Akainu sneak attacking him in the chest then ran away sending 5 vice admirals to fight him once WB stood up.

I have that scan too.

 

[Sakazuki]

Nice fan fiction manga. Now watch as Whitebeard smashes Akainu and then Akainu tunnels his way through the marineford after BB finished killing WB, something Akainu couldn't do because he was too busy laying unconscious or hiding for 30 minutes.

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If you wanna talk about sneak attack, I can always post the one of WB falling on his knees coughing blood from squadron and then Akainu sneak attacking him in the chest then ran away sending 5 vice admirals to fight him once WB stood up.

I have that scan too.

Post the rest where he escaped on his own, he already knew whitebeard was going to die and he wasn't unconscious and he went and fought even more afterwards youre the only one posting fan fiction and you're still wrong. I'm winning this debate and I will continue doing so, you are simply wrong. You just can't stand it can you. Shouldn't have came at me

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Post the rest where he escaped on his own, he already knew whitebeard was going to die and he wasn't unconscious and he went and fought even more afterwards youre the only one posting fan fiction and you're still wrong. I'm winning this debate and I will continue doing so, you are simply wrong. You just can't stand it can you. Shouldn't have came at me

You're losing this debate, don't know wtf you're talking about. You didn't post a single page and you called the manga I just provide a fan fiction

Here's the rest of the scan you asked for:

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Whitebeard literally says "I'm not done yet after dropping Akainu underneath the marineford with the rest of the officers.

So you're wrong again. And Akainu appeared right in front of Jinbei holding luffy's unconscious body, running away from the WB crew. They literally had to chase him down after Crocodile speared Akainu. He ran away after he woke up from being knocked out by WB, and waited for BB to take care of WB because he couldn't do it himself.

WB gave his last order after Ace died tha he will suicide attack the marineford by dragging it underneath the sea with him. Akainu ended up failing to do so and BB a pirate did it for him.

 

[Sakazuki]

You're losing this debate, don't know wtf you're talking about. You didn't post a single page and you called the manga I just provide a fan fiction

Here's the rest of the scan you asked for:

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Whitebeard literally says "I'm not done yet after dropping Akainu underneath the marineford with the rest of the officers.

So you're wrong again. And Akainu appeared right in front of Jinbei holding luffy's unconscious body, running away from the WB crew. They literally had to chase him down after Crocodile speared Akainu. He ran away after he woke up from being knocked out by WB, and waited for BB to take care of WB because he couldn't do it himself.

WB gave his last order after Ace died tha he will suicide attack the marineford by dragging it underneath the sea with him. Akainu ended up failing to do so and BB a pirate did it for him.

No one but whitebeaRd hurt akainu. No crocodile, not marco, no one. And you posted a scan that helps me, also I'm not wrong, you are, as akainu wasn't unconscious or knocked into the ground by whitebeard, hell he's escapes using the ground on more than one occasion oh and after getting to jinbei he punched a hole in his chest too and I'm not gonna post scans, I'm using a phone so don't ask me too, you can debate without them. If you know as much about op as I do you can remember all of it without having to go look at it, and if you're gonna cry about me not posting scans than quit debating with me. I can't afford a computer, so sorry not sorry. Poor life

 

[Love Cook]

Quit typing so much, it doesn't help you at all, you don't seem smarter or make any better arguments doing so. It's pointless, reading all you write is worthless and boring, I yawn everytime I see you post something, it's so boring to read and almost everything you write is your own opinion. You rarely post Manga facts and you choose which ever character you like more and try to argue they win no matter what which makes anything you say regarding a bout nonsense

Stop turning every thread into a Akainu shrine, and stop double posting.

 

[Sakazuki]

Stop turning every thread into a Akainu shrine, and stop double posting.

I don't everyone starts arguing with me about akainu people seem to need to bring him up and try to downplay him because of my avatar and sig. And I'll double post if I please. I'm using a phone, a very cheap one at that, I am poor, it's not that easy trying to reply to every person who feels the need to get on me and keep treating me like crap

 

[Love Cook]

I don't everyone starts arguing with me about akainu people seem to need to bring him up and try to downplay him because of my avatar and sig. And I'll double post if I please. I'm using a phone, a very cheap one at that, I am poor, it's not that easy trying to reply to every person who feels the need to get on me and keep treating me like crap

Then make an Akainu thread and go fight it out there.

This is a thread about Sanji and Luffy vs Big Mom. How the hell did Akainu get involved. Also it's not me saying you can't double post it's in the forum rules. Try to find the multiquote button on that cheap phone or be patient.

 

[Sakazuki]

Then make an Akainu thread and go fight it out there.

This is a thread about Sanji and Luffy vs Big Mom. How the hell did Akainu get involved. Also it's not me saying you can't double post it's in the forum rules. Try to find the multiquote button on that cheap phone or be patient.

I made this thread bro. I simply state I wanted akainu to punch a hole through big mom cause that's what he does, punches holes through people and people started coming at me downplaying and insulting him. I said it as something fun and everyone had to start arguing with me

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

No one but whitebeaRd hurt akainu. No crocodile, not marco, no one. And you posted a scan that helps me, also I'm not wrong, you are, as akainu wasn't unconscious or knocked into the ground by whitebeard,

If he wasn't knocked into the ground by Wb, why was he underground in the first place?
Because Whitebeard knocked him out. :|

hell he's escapes using the ground on more than one occasion oh and after getting to jinbei he punched a hole in his chest too and I'm not gonna post scans, I'm using a phone so don't ask me too, you can debate without them. If you know as much about op as I do you can remember all of it without having to go look at it, and if you're gonna cry about me not posting scans than quit debating with me. I can't afford a computer, so sorry not sorry. Poor life

I know more about Op then you and the rest of what you said didn't make sense. I already won this half baked argument.

 

[Sakazuki]

If he wasn't knocked into the ground by Wb, why was he underground in the first place?
Because Whitebeard knocked him out. :|

I know more about Op then you and the rest of what you said didn't make sense. I already won this half baked argument.

He went underground himself. If he was knocked out he wouldn't have popped back up second's later

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

He went underground himself. If he was knocked out he wouldn't have popped back up second's later

He wouldn't of gone undergound if he wasn't dropped in there by Wb in the first place. What are you stupid? You telling me he stopped fighting to dig his way into the ground? It was Wb that put him there in the first place, he was digging his way up after Wb bodied him underneath.

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[Sakazuki]

He wouldn't of gone undergound if he wasn't dropped in there by Wb in the first place. What are you stupid? You telling me he stopped fighting to dig his way into the ground? It was Wb that put him there in the first place, he was digging his way up after Wb bodied him underneath.

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In the Manga it shows him going underground.

Besides ripping off half his face > being knocked down. Lls

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

He went underground himself. If he was knocked out he wouldn't have popped back up second's later

He popped back up so Shanks could make Akainu his personal biitch

 

[Sakazuki]

He popped back up so Shanks could make Akainu his personal biitch

Just like a fruitless bb made shanks his biitch , haha keep riding boi

 

[chopstickchakra]

How you can come to this conclusion after reading the last chapter is a mystery to me.

When everyone was fighting together, their defeat was imminent. But now somehow with less people on the Battlefield Luffy has a shot to take down Big Mom ?

Your entire post is filled with stuff that will set you up for disappointment in either the story, in Luffy or in Oda.

Because with Luffy there and the Vinsmoke family they have 7 fighters on their side. Against the entire Big Mom family. Even the fodders who were shooting have haki, as proven this chapter. Most Vinsmokes had to shield behind their raid suits while the top fighters didn't even make a move yet. Reiju got burned by Prometheus while her raid suit was supposed to be fire proof.

If you don't see how much of a problem that is than I don't know anymore. But I guess since you were underestimating Big Mom from the very start you're just going all in on it now and praying that Luffy will win by some kind of miracle.

As for the escape, you're also wrong there. 5 Vinsmokes have raid suits that enable them to fly, Sanji has sky walk and Luffy can fly with Gear 4th. There is also still the bomb at the bottom of the cake. We could see a self sacrifice of Judge to pay for his sins and have a new generation of Vinsmokes lead the kingdom in a better way and possibly joining the grand fleet.

But the amount of strong opponents verses allied members is like 3:1, and you still have an army of fodder unloading on you.

And to give a reason which is not story related as to why were not going to have a big fight. Oda confirmed both the start of the Reverie arc and Wano in 2017 at Jumpfiesta in December 2016. Seeing we're already half way through the year, I very much doubt this will be taking much longer.

If the Vinsmokes were strong enough to rival themselves with sweet commanders and Big Mom, why did they come for power to her for taking North Blue. They could've done that easily on their own.

Because the conclusions for this scenario are A. Escape B. fight and lose C. fight and win D. be saved by outside factor.

A seems increasingly unlikely with each chapter, first the mirrors broke then Caesar was unable to fly away. Now Luffy and Sanji both have jumped right into the fight, good luck dragging Luffy out of a fight.

B seems unlikely for multiple reasons, the MC rarely loses important/final fights. If Luffy lost here and now after everything he's done BM would kill him and if he lost and she spared him that would be bad writing. Oda had his MC declare after training with the PK's right hand for 2 years that he wouldn't lose again, I don't think Oda would do that only to have his MC lose a few villains later and I don't think it should be viewed as other in character sayings since he is the MC.

D. would be a cheap plot shield technique and while it's possible I think it would be just as upsetting for some as if Luffy and co. managed to beat a Yonko today.

That leaves C being the most likely imo. There's clearly going to be a fight so the question is does Oda make Luffy lose, win or fight until a retreat becomes available.

 

[Love Cook]

Because the conclusions for this scenario are A. Escape B. fight and lose C. fight and win D. be saved by outside factor.

A seems increasingly unlikely with each chapter, first the mirrors broke then Caesar was unable to fly away. Now Luffy and Sanji both have jumped right into the fight, good luck dragging Luffy out of a fight.

B seems unlikely for multiple reasons, the MC rarely loses important/final fights. If Luffy lost here and now after everything he's done BM would kill him and if he lost and she spared him that would be bad writing. Oda had his MC declare after training with the PK's right hand for 2 years that he wouldn't lose again, I don't think Oda would do that only to have his MC lose a few villains later and I don't think it should be viewed as other in character sayings since he is the MC.

D. would be a cheap plot shield technique and while it's possible I think it would be just as upsetting for some as if Luffy and co. managed to beat a Yonko today.

That leaves C being the most likely imo. There's clearly going to be a fight so the question is does Oda make Luffy lose, win or fight until a retreat becomes available.

You have no feeling for the story, and to already call an outside factor a cheap plot shield is bullshit. Because you know that it could full well be the bomb that will grant them an escape route. That bomb has been in play for 3 arcs to come in and now say that it would be cheap is just you covering yourself because you went all in on a Luffy victory when he faced a yonkou, while there were plenty of people who said from the start he isn't going to win this.

And what a boring load of bullshit would One Piece be if the main character won every fight, blegh. I;m glad Fairy Tail is almost over, can't stand the predictability.

Also like I said in another thread. If Luffy gets away alive with Sanji and the poneglyph he technically hasn't lost. He has the moral victory and Big News Morgan will spread the news around the world. Even though he didn't win the fight.

But please be my guest and tell me how 5 Vinsmokes, Sanji and Luffy will fight everyone there and win.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

In the Manga it shows him going underground.

No it didn't. Otherwise post it you troll.

Besides ripping off half his face > being knocked down. Lls

Still standing>Knocked out. Clearly you've never fought before.

 

[Punk Hazard]

No it didn't. Otherwise post it you troll.


Still standing>Knocked out. Clearly you've never fought before.

You're the only idiot who thinks so.

Akainu was never knocked out.

The ravine WB created was filled with water, if Akainu was knocked out or didn't go underground, he would have fallen into the ocean. What Sakazuki said is the only possible option of what happened.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

For a Shichibukai like Doffy, and in Dressrosa, it took 100 chapters to end that fuker. Whole Cake Island arc started at chapter 825 (45 chapters). It's quite a slap in the face of readers to end Yonkou so quick.

 

[nikhil11101996]

Its not surprising but I loved how luffy and sanji came to save Reiju.....
Anyway... Wondering Where is Fujitora's current location with sengoku and tsuru(currently they can take on BM pirates).. and
location of SH grand fleet.. they had luffy's vivre card which would have been burning when luffy was defeated.. so they should come for his rescue.

Feeling like luffy is about to awaken his DF , else that incoming punch from BM is gonna make him crash long away