Ashura had Chakra mode without the bijuus?

[Nagi]

It's ur opinion that RSM requires all tailed beasts chakra, manga never stated that. What a fail :lol

Not my opinions. All of Naruto's top lawyers stated that requirement because Obito gave Naruto the 2 missing bijuus chakra he was lacking.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Ashura simply had high amounts of chakra to create an avatar.

 

[kunde]

You just flat out said Hago gave him power. Because Hago taught them both ninshu before they walked separate paths. Then Hago made Ashura the leader of Ninshuu. So he had to gave him the ability to enter chakra mode!

Lol what a fail again, if hago gave him power that enabled him to use ninshu then who gave naruto that power? He was using ninshu even before receiving rikudo chakra :lol

 

[Nagi]

Lol what a fail again, if hago gave him power that enabled him to use ninshu then who gave naruto that power? He was using ninshu even before receiving rikudo chakra :lol

lol What did he use to do that? I rest my case!

 

[wanderingcactus]

It stated that Ashura had his power bloom

That means his power was dormant and thus cannot do anything. Therefore, he had to have help in order to accomplish things.
That process gave him power but was not enough to defeat Indra, but he didn't need to as they are not at war. He, howerver, lived long enough to awaken it.

The war was brought upon when Hagoromo had to pick a successor. So upon his deathbed, he decided to split up the 10 tails chakra into 9 sentient beings. Ashura was then given the task of look after them.

Becoming an inheritor of the Ninshuu does NOT mean they become a jin. GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL GUYS.
Many times it has been stated that Kurama's first was Mito Uzumaki.

If you still believe that becoming a meeting place means that the person is jin then you agree Naruto is technically juubi jin (all 9 beasts) thus gives him more power than Sasuke.

So Naruto > Sasuke at this point.

So no, Ashura is NOT a jin of ANY beasts. He simply is in charge of them.

Now for the Avatar, It is his and his alone. It isn't Kurama mode. Why? because it is his own power that bloomed. He only had the beasts until Hagoromo died.

It looks like a multi headed Samurai head gear. YES. SAMURAI!

"eh no it does not!"

Eh clearly you are blind. It simply does not have the protective neck gear as it is multi-headed.

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[Sennin of Logic]

So we're saying that Ashura achieved a yang power equalled to Hago yang power while Indra only have EMS, a yin power that is not equal to Hago's rinnegan, Yin power? Interesting..

If Indra had the rinnegan, I could agree with your logic, but no.



look up!

Too bad. If you look, Indra's susanoo is exactly the same as Sasuke's rikkudo susanoo. Clearly, Indra had a degree of Rikkudo chakra. This is like pitting RSM Naruto, add the ability to form an avatar, no biju KKGs VS Sasuke with 2 EMS instead of a rinnegan, but maintain his rikkudo chakra and rikkudo susanoo, but no 6 paths jutsu. It's more even than you'd think. Ashura doesn't have the knowledge to turn a TSB into TBBRS.

 

[kunde]

lol What did he use to do that? I rest my case!

What does naruto using tailed beasts have to do with ashura?. The markings on chakra mode represents ninshu. You have no proof to prove that ashura used TB chakra. It's only ur imagination. There is no exact match b/w naruto ashura's chakra mode except the markings that represent ninshu

 

[Nagi]

It stated that Ashura had his power bloom

That means his power was dormant and thus cannot do anything. Therefore, he had to have help in order to accomplish things.
That process gave him power but was not enough to defeat Indra, but he didn't need to as they are not at war. He, howerver, lived long enough to awaken it.

The war was brought upon when Hagoromo had to pick a successor. So upon his deathbed, he decided to split up the 10 tails chakra into 9 sentient beings. Ashura was then given the task of look after them.

Becoming an inheritor of the Ninshuu does NOT mean they become a jin. GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL GUYS.
Many times it has been stated that Kurama's first was Mito Uzumaki.

If you still believe that becoming a meeting place means that the person is jin then you agree Naruto is technically juubi jin (all 9 beasts) thus gives him more power than Sasuke.

So Naruto > Sasuke at this point.

So no, Ashura is NOT a jin of ANY beasts. He simply is in charge of them.

Now for the Avatar, It is his and his alone. It isn't Kurama mode. Why? because it is his own power that bloomed. He only had the beasts until Hagoromo died.

It looks like a multi headed Samurai head gear. YES. SAMURAI!

"eh no it does not!"

Eh clearly you are blind. It simply does not have the protective neck gear as it is multi-headed.

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What freaky Samurai got fox legs? Why would it look like a samurai if he is about ninshuu???

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Stop denying this scan! Hago gave him EVERYTHING! Which is clearly not just leadership of ninshuu. Why say everything if it just ninshuu?

 

[Nagi]

What does naruto using tailed beasts have to do with ashura?. The markings on chakra mode represents ninshu. You have no proof to prove that ashura used TB chakra. It's only ur imagination. There is no exact match b/w naruto ashura's chakra mode except the markings that represent ninshu

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So he just use some chakra bomb like type shit out of no where. Interesting.

 

[DanesoulX]

We was also told that Madara was the first one to unlock MS. So no.. There was jins before her!

proof? nope and Madara was the first among the Uchiha..read before you write.

 

[VongolaX]

Ashura is naturally full of life energy (physical energy) and he blossomed RSM.

This is a subject of inheritance, and people like naruto/Sasuke are never going to go through the same means Ashura/Indra.
Naruto/Sasuke are ashura/Indra's incarnates while ashura/Indra are Hagoromoo.

Ashura doesn't need nine bijuus to obtained RSM.

Indra doesn't need his brothers chakra to obtain rikudou chakra

 

[kunde]

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So he just use some chakra bomb like type shit out of no where. Interesting.

Out of nowhere? Nope, he awakened that chakra that rivaled indra's as stated clearly by hagoromo. 'Awakened' is the key word.

 

[Nagi]

Out of nowhere? Nope, he awakened that chakra that rivaled indra's as stated clearly by hagoromo. 'Awakened' is the key word.

When I said no where, I meant the idea of using chakra bomb or whatever you want to call it. I don't get you. You all are saying it kool that Indra, Madara, and Sasuke's power are the same. But Ashura, Hashi, and Naruto are all different but the same. All of you come up with all these theories to support Ashura with no facts. Why would an avatar look like a samurai if it all about ninshuu. What samurai would not have any weapons but chakra balls? When it is clear proof that Ashura gotten a gift from Hago. This scan clearly showed that Hago left him more than just the leadership of ninshuu.

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[Obito the supreme jin]

Ashura simply had high amounts of chakra to create an avatar.

Yeah but by being Naruto's transmigrant don't you think he had the power of Kurama + the other tailed beasts to make him the first Jinchuriki. I also know that in the manga Kushina pointed out that Mito was the first Jinchuriki of Kurama but I cannot believe that BS because Ashura being Hago's son and having his dad's will must have had the power of the 9 Tailed beats to counter Indra and his Rinnegan. Agreed that he had an exceptional high amount of chakra to make an Avatar but I also think he had the Tailed Beasts in his possession.

 

[Nagi]

Yeah but by being Naruto's transmigrant don't you think he had the power of Kurama + the other tailed beasts to make him the first Jinchuriki. I also know that in the manga Kushina pointed out that Mito was the first Jinchuriki of Kurama but I cannot believe that BS because Ashura being Hago's son and having his dad's will must have had the power of the 9 Tailed beats to counter Indra and his Rinnegan. Agreed that he had an exceptional high amount of chakra to make an Avatar but I also think he had the Tailed Beasts in his possession.

I don't know why. But it seem like these fans do not want to believe that Ashura had another power source like Naruto.

 

[wanderingcactus]

What freaky Samurai got fox legs? Why would it look like a samurai if he is about ninshuu???

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Stop denying this scan! Hago gave him EVERYTHING! Which is clearly not just leadership of ninshuu. Why say everything if it just ninshuu?

You know that Tengus are based off of Crows right? That's why Susanoos always have a beak and stuff.

So why can't his avatar be similar?

You're stating that Chakra Mode is Kurama's power and yet Toneri, a non Hagoromo descendant, has it.

The point of giving Toneri a chakra mode is a statement from Kishi that the body inherits the chakra mode while the mind inherits the doujutsu.

That everything is the Ninshu, have been paying attention? Ninshu is about everything and he bestowed that upon Ashura and that he will be responsible on creating peace through Ninshu.

Basically he made Ashura responsible and made him safe guard the Earth and Indra didn't quite like that as he has the older brother complex, he wants to be the one in charge. It isn't about power. It's about having the responsibility to be the guardian of mankind and making sure that there's peace.

That's what he meant by everything. He did not give him power. There's a reason why he gave him the 9 beasts because he saw that Ashura wouldn't use them for their power and use em for war.

If anything Kurama may have copied Ashura's avatar. I mean, the beasts are ****in babies.

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[00Rinne]

lol, If RSM is an ability without bijuu, you and other people are contradicting Naruto on so many levels. When it very clear that Naruto are using Kurama chakra for RSM.

I'm not sure if it was ever stated..but if Hogoromo was never a jinchuriki an is Rikudou... then that would mean you don't need bijuu to go Rikudou mode especially if your getting RSM/power up from Hogoromo himself. Naruto just was lucky to jin to push his Rikudou lvl further. That is not contradicting Naruto if Hogoromo was/is Rikudou without being jinchuriki himself.

Madara & Obito got Rikudou mode through the mozou harnessing bijuu chakra making them jinchuriki Rikudou. not Rikudou like Hogoromo who was probably never a jin.

He created bijuu from scratch, just raw chakra. If that's the case then Hogoromo was not a jin and was still Rikudou before creating them. Although after that creation he got weak as if he were a jin because of the masse amount of raw chakra he had to produce to give them form...stated by the bijuu he was weak for months afterwards and they grew up with him pretty much on his death bed.

 

[Nagi]

I'm not sure if it was ever stated..but if Hogoromo was never a jinchuriki an is Rikudou... then that would mean you don't need bijuu to go Rikudou mode especially if your getting RSM/power up from Hogoromo himself. Naruto just was lucky to jin to push his Rikudou lvl further. That is not contradicting Naruto if Hogoromo was/is Rikudou without being jinchuriki himself.

Madara & Obito got Rikudou mode through the mozou harnessing bijuu chakra making them jinchuriki Rikudou. not Rikudou like Hogoromo who was probably never a jin.

He created bijuu from scratch, just raw chakra. If that's the case then Hogoromo was not a jin and was still Rikudou before creating them. Although after that creation he got weak as if he were a jin because of the masse amount of raw chakra he had to produce to give them form...stated by the bijuu he was weak for months afterwards and they grew up with him pretty much on his death bed.

He took the shini/kaguya and split it into 10 bijuus with his mastery yin-yang skills. His brother must've helped him. Then sealed the 10 tails aka GEDO at that point into the moon.

If we're saying RSM is an ability without bijuu, then damn...Naruto too damn OP!

 

[DanesoulX]

okay let me end this debate...the fourth data book is out and Asura was not listed of having any tailed beasts..thank you.

 

[BlacLord™]

Hagoromo said he awakened his own inherited body energy. (i.e. Six Paths Senjutsu). All you need to make a chakra avatar is well... Lots of chakra.

Theres no rule saying it must be sourced from a Bijuu (to which Asura's doesn't look like Kurama, since the body and head shapes are really different). Besides, Hagoromo himself talked about only focusing on Asura last time when he was handing over power to Sasuke, which implies he gave Asura power.

If it Bijuu, it could even be a portion of Juubi chakra.