Are the 5 Hokages above Itachi?

[Bogard]

Its not stated anywhere that it consumes a lot of chakra in order to cast izanami. Itachi has never been in a position where he needed to use it. Which is why he didnt. You might lose an eye, but it could have little to no chakra consumption, theres no proof saying how much it costs or even implying the fact that it costs a lot

Judging by Izanagi's chakra consumption even with Senju DNA, it should take quite a lot of chakra though since it's the counter-part after all

 

[The Necromancer]

Going by that logic, we don't know exactly how much chakra Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi uses, yet those are just thrown around like it's nothing! No one is ever consistent when it comes to Itachi!

Karin stated danzo's chakra plummeted when he used one mokuton jutsu, and yet she made no mention of the chakra use of danzo's constant use of izanagi.

 

[Moss]

Karin stated danzo's chakra plummeted when he used one mokuton jutsu, and yet she made no mention of the chakra use of danzo's constant use of izanagi.

Maybe because of his craploads of Sharingan, plus the fact he has Senju DNA? Itachi has neither, so it's no use comparing them anyway.

 

[Bogard]

Karin stated danzo's chakra plummeted when he used one mokuton jutsu, and yet she made no mention of the chakra use of danzo's constant use of izanagi.

She did, she even said it's for that reason he needed to stop the technique at some point:

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[Sea Of Thy Soul]

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Tsunade

 

[Draphsin]

Going by that logic, we don't know exactly how much chakra Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi uses, yet those are just thrown around like it's nothing! No one is ever consistent when it comes to Itachi!

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costs alot of stamina and chakra, its implied with both of those jutsus.

 

[The Necromancer]

She did, she even said it's for that reason he needed to stop the technique at some point:

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Huh. Didn't remember that. Thanks for the scan.

 

[Moss]

Itachi says that Kotoamatsukami charges faster with Senju DNA:

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Who's to say that isn't the same with all Mangekyo jutsu, with their respective effects?

 

[Draphsin]

Judging by Izanagi's chakra consumption even with Senju DNA, it should take quite a lot of chakra though since it's the counter-part after all

Are you referring to danzo? because if you are then sharingan jutsu's have been shown to affect non-uchiha more than actual uchiha. Danzo also had an imperfect version of izanagi. Obito was shown to not be affected at all by Izanagi, (except for the blindness, of course) and he's a pure uchiha with senju DNA, with a perfect version of izanagi.

 

[The Necromancer]

Itachi says that Kotoamatsukami charges faster with Senju DNA:

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Who's to say that isn't the same with all Mangekyo jutsu, with their respective effects?

What point are you even trying to make? You're just arguing against itachi for the sake of arguing.

 

[Moss]

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costs alot of stamina and chakra, its implied with both of those jutsus.

I'm glad you posted that, as the fanboys keep throwing it around like it's nothing!

What point are you even trying to make? You're just arguing against itachi for the sake of arguing.

No, I am trying to prove that Itachi isn't as "indestructible" as most people like to think, how exactly is that not obvious to you?

 

[The Necromancer]

I'm glad you posted that, as the fanboys keep throwing it around like it's nothing!



No, I am trying to prove that Itachi isn't as "indestructible" as most people like to think, how exactly is that not obvious to you?

Because this is a thread ranking him against the hokage, and you have yet to mention the hokage. Instead of bashing itachi, how about you promote the side you're supposed to be arguing for.

 

[Bogard]

Huh. Didn't remember that. Thanks for the scan.

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Are you referring to danzo? because if you are then sharingan jutsu's have been shown to affect non-uchiha more than actual uchiha. Danzo also had an imperfect version of izanagi. Obito was shown to not be affected at all by Izanagi, (except for the blindness, of course) and he's a pure uchiha with senju DNA, with a perfect version of izanagi.

Danzo may have been non-uchiha, but he wasn't a normal non-uchiha since he was boosted with Senju DNA. Actually in his state, he was even more perfect than a normal uchiha. Reason why he could even spam Kotoamatsukami plenty of times in a day when a normal Uchiha can only use it every decades

 

[BazzBee]

I think we should just keep him below kage level cause of hashirama and third raikage

 

[Draphsin]

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Danzo may have been non-uchiha, but he wasn't a normal non-uchiha since he was boosted with Senju DNA. Actually in his state, he was even more perfect than a normal uchiha. Reason why he could even spam Kotoamatsukami plenty of times in a day when a normal Uchiha can only use it every decades

Yeah this is true, however obito, who is a pure uchiha with senju DNA (the most perfect version of izanagi apparently) doesnt seem to be even remotely affected by the chakra consumption of izanagi. Well he doesnt appear to be physically affected in any way :\ Myabe the difference between a uchiha with senju dna, and a non-uchiha with sharingan and senju dna is just that significant? just a possibility

Its also a possibility that shisui with senju DNA could reduce the time of KA to mere hours as well. Obito's kamui is near limitless, so Its probable

 

[Moss]

Because this is a thread ranking him against the hokage, and you have yet to mention the hokage. Instead of bashing itachi, how about you promote the side you're supposed to be arguing for.

OK then.

Hashirama is obviously the winner against Itachi, as he has be shown to be on par with Madara's PS, which is no doubt stronger than Itachi's Susano'o. He has also shown feats such as healing, sage mode, and mokuton, which can restrain Itachi, and provide a good defense against Amaterasu, if Itachi chose to use it in this case. Easy Difficulty

Tobirama, not much has been shown by him, but seeing as the OP said we can use hype, Tobirama could take this, as he has been compared with Hashirama and Madara, and is most likely on a similar power tier. Easy-Medium Difficulty

Hiruzen, with all of his knowledge, is bound to have tactics against Itachi. He knows of the Sharingan's genjutsu, and Itachi's power. He could concentrate on Itachi's feet, just as Kakahsi, Gai, Asuma and Kurenai did around their debut in Part 1. Medium-High Difficulty

Minato would use his speed to wear out Itachi's chakra, and use FTG out of Amaterasu. He doesn't have as much info as Hiruzen on Itachi though. High Difficulty

Tsunade is the only one (if that) Itachi has a chance of beating. Although she could crack Susano'o, she doesn't have a good defense for Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi. She does have her regeneration jutsu, so she wouldn't go down without a fight. Itachi wins Medium Difficulty.

 

[irukaumino26]

1. Hashirama - 1000 Palm Buddha b!tch slap!

2. Tobirama - WHY?! Because he's a damn PURE BLOODED SENJU, that's why! Who's fought Izuna (who also attained MS, since he was a kid! And seeing how he's related to Hashirama, he may be nearly as strong. Greatest water jutsu user ever. Water jutsus come from the air around him, he doesn't spit it out his mouth! Sword techniques - had lightning sword (non-canon), and also S/T jutsu. Made Suigetsu, Sasuke, and Oro crap their pants. Was going to go fight Madara regardless of whether his brother approved, WHICH SAYS SOMETHING. Also, sensei of the PROFESSOR aka HIRUZEN.

3. Hiruzen aka THE PROFESSOR - Knew all the jutsus in Konoha. Knew how to counter Mangekyou Sharingan! THIS IS A FACT! Look it up in the Databook! Itachi never had EMS, only MS, which means Hiruzen > Itachi. His intelligence is a 5, seals is a 5, ninjutsu a 5, taijutsu a 5, and genjutsu 5. I'm sure he can man handle Itachi NO problem.

Seen here, Itachi bows before the TRUE PIMP that is Hiruzen:

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4. Minato - Honestly, Minato was a genius compared to Itachi. He came from an unknown Namikaze clan, had no special abilities, yet he still became one of the youngest Hokages ever, beating out Orochimaru in the polls. And last time I checked, Oro is a live and Itachi is DEAD. This says something seeing how Minato was regarded as the superior shinobi compared to a nearly INVINCIBLE antagonist of the series. With FTG and complex seals, this puts Minato at #4.

5. Itachi - One of the genius Uchihas of the series, yet still inferior to Madara and Izuna. Possibly on par with Shisui. Has incredible skills from a very young age, wisdom of a hokage. Had Yata Mirror, and the Sword. Other than impressive shuriken techniques and fireballs incapable of killing most jounins, Itachi only relied mostly on Amaterasu and Tsukyuomi. But he naturally had low stamina (I believe this even before his illness), and he's more of a 1v1 fighter. He's not the type to take on many S-rank ninjas at once. This puts him at #5.

6. Tsunade - More of a support ninja. Great strength and taijutsu, but honestly, a pre-Sage Kabuto was able to take her down early in the series. For that, she is the weakest.

 

[Bogard]

Yeah this is true, however obito, who is a pure uchiha with senju DNA (the most perfect version of izanagi apparently) doesnt seem to be even remotely affected by the chakra consumption of izanagi. Well he doesnt appear to be physically affected in any way :\ Myabe the difference between a uchiha with senju dna, and a non-uchiha with sharingan and senju dna is just that significant? just a possibility

Its also a possibility that shisui with senju DNA could reduce the time of KA to mere hours as well. Obito's kamui is near limitless, so Its probable

I'm not comparing Danzo to Obito here since it's obvious there is a huge difference between them. It can be seen thru their Izanagi. Obito can use it during 10minutes with just one of his eyes when Danzo's Izanagi only last 1minute per eye. Just that shows the difference in their control of the technique. Obito controls Senju DNA better than Danzo and like you've said, he is a Uchiha. I'm sure that if he had Kotoamatsukami judging by the difference there is with Danzo, he could probably spam it without rest in the contrary of Danzo.

But i'm comparing Danzo to normal Uchihas like Itachi who don't have Senju DNA. It's to them that i say, he is more perfect. The fact that he can use Kotoamatsukami plenty of times in a day, when Itachi needs to wait decade(10years) to use it, already shows the distance in their capacities, that shows the difference that Senju DNA brings. It's for that reason that i say that if for even Danzo, Izanagi takes that much of a chakra, Izanami(the counter part) should really take a huge quantity of chakra for a normal Uchiha without Senju DNA, but meh it's only my assumption on it

 

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[Draphsin]

I'm not comparing Danzo to Obito here since it's obvious there is a huge difference between them. It can be seen thru their Izanagi. Obito can use it during 10minutes with just one of his eyes when Danzo's Izanagi only last 1minute per eye. Just that shows the difference in their control of the technique. Obito controls Senju DNA better than Danzo and like you've said, he is a Uchiha. I'm sure that if he had Kotoamatsukami judging by the difference there is with Danzo, he could probably spam it without rest in the contrary of Danzo.

But i'm comparing Danzo to normal Uchihas like Itachi who don't have Senju DNA. It's to them that i say, he is more perfect. The fact that he can use Kotoamatsukami plenty of times in a day, when Itachi needs to wait decade(10years) to use it, already shows the distance in their capacities, that shows the difference that Senju DNA brings. It's for that reason that i say that if for even Danzo, Izanagi takes that much of a chakra, Izanami(the counter part) should really take a huge quantity of chakra for a normal Uchiha without Senju DNA, but meh it's only my assumption on it

Oh i see, well then i guess thats a viable theory. I would only ever use izanami in a match that Itachi would be at a disadvantage in anyways. Making it a last resort technique. Thats probably how he feels about using it too. (No uchiha ever wants to lose their eyes )