Are the 5 Hokages above Itachi?

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Seriously? Are you saying that you believed Itachi when he was clearly lying in order to protect naruto? And this is even after Itachi effortlessly ama'd Jiraiya's unbreakable prison

Dude I used the facts but if you wanna go with assumptions then tell me why would itachi want to protect naruto? What was naruto to him at that time, he would take the lives of jinchuurikis but not naruto?!
 

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Itachi beats every Hokage bar Hashirama. Tobirama is not included in this due to a lack of feats.
 

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i mean the manga stated that Itachi had hokage intentions at the age of 7...i would say hes stronger than every other hokage exept for the 1st Hashirama ...
 

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Dude I used the facts but if you wanna go with assumptions then tell me why would itachi want to protect naruto? What was naruto to him at that time, he would take the lives of jinchuurikis but not naruto?!

People still believe this bull?

Itachi didn't want to fight someone from his own village unless necessary. That's why he made up that excuse (which Kisame didn't even believe, knowing Itachi's power) so he wouldn't need to fight against him.
 

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People still believe this bull?

Itachi didn't want to fight someone from his own village unless necessary. That's why he made up that excuse (which Kisame didn't even believe, knowing Itachi's power) so he wouldn't need to fight against him.

So capturing kyuubi wasn't necessary and fighting kakashi was necessary?
 

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i mean the manga stated that Itachi had hokage intentions at the age of 7...i would say hes stronger than every other hokage exept for the 1st Hashirama ...

Whats intention got to do with strength, if that was the case then naruto wouldn't be more stronger than itachi right now
 

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The Kage > Itachi. They are Kage for a reason.
 

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Without KA, I'd say that he's above all the Hokage, with Hashirama being the only exception.

I don't feel that the other four have shown enough feats to be able to compete with him. And, if we go by pure hype alone, Itachi was said to be completely invincible, which'd pretty much put him over Hashi (If we consider pure hype, which I personally don't)

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Power Wise:

Hashirama
Itachi
Tobirama
Minato/Hiruzen
Tsunade

Mental Wise:

Itachi
Tobirama
Hiruzen
Minato/Hashirama
Tsunade
 

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So capturing kyuubi wasn't necessary and fighting kakashi was necessary?

He couldn't just tell Kisame to leave Naruto alone hence him acting as a member of Akatsuki and if he were to try and run from Kakashi then they would chase him and more and more ninja would show up.
 

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1. Hashi
2. Itachi
3. Minato
4. Tobirama
5. Hiruzen
6. Tsunade
 

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He couldn't just tell Kisame to leave Naruto alone hence him acting as a member of Akatsuki and if he were to try and run from Kakashi then they would chase him and more and more ninja would show up.

Why didn't he fought Gai then? I'm not saying that Gai can defeat Itachi but he should have also fought Gai as there was still a chance that Gai, Asuma and Kurenai would chase them,
 

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Explain how Tobirama > Itachi. :sy:

OT- Well BY FEATS, he only loses to Hashirama.

Tobirama > Itachi because....

1.) Suiton > Katon
2.) Tobirama's experience fighting Uchiha
3.) Edo Tensei (even though it is probably utterly pathetic)
4.) Tobirama's S/T (since its hyped, it is on par with Minato's)
5.) Bringer of Darkness (if we include Anime) to cancel Itachi's wierd named 1 hit KO genjutsu.
6.) Itachi can stay in Susano'o for 10 minutes at the most.
7.) Tobirama's and Itachi's difference in Stamina
8.) Tobirama could have Penguin Sage Mode. *this point is moot, but I think he could have it.

My list is...

1.) Hashirama
2.) Tobirama
3.) Hiruzen Prime (by hype)
4.) Minato / Itachi
5.) Itachi / Minato
6.) Tsunade
 

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Why didn't he fought Gai then? I'm not saying that Gai can defeat Itachi but he should have also fought Gai as there was still a chance that Gai, Asuma and Kurenai would chase them,



He has to make his actions somewhat believable, its unrealistic for him to flee from Kakashi, Asuma, and Kurenai when Kisame knows that he can win. That's why when Gai appeared, it gave him a reason to get Kisame to leave, since more and more would keep popping up.
 

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Tobirama > Itachi because....

1.) Suiton > Katon
In most instances, but not when it comes to Amaterasu, as shown with Bee [ ]
2.) Tobirama's experience fighting Uchiha
An experienced ninja can still get caught in Uchiha Genjutsu, especially when you're fighting against someone like Itachi, who relies a lot on using Genjutsu [ ] [ ] [ ] Experience doesn't guarantee anything.
3.) Edo Tensei (even though it is probably utterly pathetic)
We have absolutely no info on how good Tobirama's Edo Tensei was, nor do we know which ninja he summoned. So it can't really be used.
4.) Tobirama's S/T (since its hyped, it is on par with Minato's)
Again, we have no idea how that S/T works, so you can't use it in VS threads, as we don't have any info on the mechanics behind that jutsu
5.) Bringer of Darkness (if we include Anime) to cancel Itachi's wierd named 1 hit KO genjutsu.
Not canon.. :|
6.) Itachi can stay in Susano'o for 10 minutes at the most.
Based on what Tobirama has shown so far, that should be more than enough.
7.) Tobirama's and Itachi's difference in Stamina
Which is not that great. Even if Itachi's Stamina is said to be little, his chakra control was still great enough to outlast Sasuke while Itachi was sick, even while Itachi was using the Chakra consuming MS techniques.
8.) Tobirama could have Penguin Sage Mode. *this point is moot, but I think he could have it.
Uhm, and how in the world did you reach that conclusion ? :| Either way, there's nothing we've seen so far which points to him having SM, much less penguin SM...

I also like the fact that you completely ignored Itachi's Amaterasu is your so called "arguments" for Tobirama winning. The technique is instant, and even if we go by hype, Tobirama has shown nothing which points to him being able to avoid it nor counter it, meaning that the chances Tobirama might have had of winning the battle without the Amaterasu, just dropped to zero.

Sorry, but you're wrong.
 

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He has to make his actions somewhat believable, its unrealistic for him to flee from Kakashi, Asuma, and Kurenai when Kisame knows that he can win. That's why when Gai appeared, it gave him a reason to get Kisame to leave, since more and more would keep popping up.

To make his actions believable m? Fighting Gai wouldn't have made his actions somewhat worst. Now how did Itachi knew that only one ninja(Gai) would come as a backup so that he first fought kakashi to make his actoins believable?What if more ninjas had come along with Gai. As I said these are just hypotheses you're using while I told you the fact. The topic we are discussing is not a versus one where these assumptions would work but what someone was thinking.
 
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To make his actions believable m? Fighting Gai wouldn't have made his actions somewhat worst. Now how did Itachi knew that only one ninja(Gai) would come as a backup so that he first fought kakashi to make his actoins believable?What if more ninjas had come along with Gai. As I said these are just hypotheses you're using while I told you the fact. The topic we are discussing is not a versus one where these assumptions would work but what someone was thinking.

Fighting one and then another showing gives Itachi enough merit to have him and Kisame run away since more would keep coming. The number of people that came the second time doesn't matter. Why would he even WANT to fight Gai when his goal is to avoid fights with Konoha ninja?

You didn't tell me a fact, you told me a lie that came out of Itachi's mouth. Anyone with half a brain would know to put together the pieces and figure out why he said that Jiraiya would beat him and Kisame.

If you really believe that BS statement then I guess you think Jiraiya>Itachi and Kisame. Whcih obviously isn't true.
 

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Fighting one and then another showing gives Itachi enough merit to have him and Kisame run away since more would keep coming. The number of people that came the second time doesn't matter. Why would he even WANT to fight Gai when his goal is to avoid fights with Konoha ninja?

You didn't tell me a fact, you told me a lie that came out of Itachi's mouth. Anyone with half a brain would know to put together the pieces and figure out why he said that Jiraiya would beat him and Kisame.

If you really believe that BS statement then I guess you think Jiraiya>Itachi and Kisame. Whcih obviously isn't true.

Your reasons this time were not good enough and
Itachi told a lie<-- believe it or not but thats still your assumption
 

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Your reasons this time were not good enough and
Itachi told a lie<-- believe it or not but thats still your assumption

Again, anyone with half a brain would be able to figure this out. Not gonna waste my time here.
 
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