Are the 5 Hokages above Itachi?

[Draphsin]

Hype? And why don't you consider Hiruzen's and Minato's hype then?

One shoudnt consider hype over feats. Itachi's feats beat both minato's and hiruzen's. Although minato's feat against obito was pretty good too

 

[Bogard]

Because we have seen their feats, and they don't seem to live up to the hype.

I understand concerning Hiruzen, but we've not seen him in his prime. Concerning Minato though i don't understand, but meh everyone can have his opinion

 

[Moss]

i have to disagree with you, hokage is just a position, there are stronger ninja's who are not hokage, example madara, nagato and itachi

Hmm, let's look at this comment for a second.

Madara=Co-founder of Konoha, basically Hashirama's equal and a KAGE.

Nagato=Leader of Amegakure, pretty much a KAGE, if not on KAGE level.

Itachi, this is the one that's out of place. Which is exactly my point. Saying the Kage position doesn't count is pure arrogance if you ask me.

 

[Draphsin]

you're not sure with Itachi vs hashirama?
Hashirama will make itachi cry.

Madara is 10x Itachi and Hashirama put madara to bed too early.

"Tobi, idk and hashi for sure no"

I think you misread, I said that hashi is a 100% no

 

[Sai Bomb]

Hiruzen has shown the prowess to take on strong genjutsus. But also, I'm pretty sure Hiruzen would know of Itachi's genjutsu.

alright so you say Hurizen counters itachi's Genjutsu?
What about Susano'o and izanami?

possibly summon monkey king, transform him and fight with OP staff mode (that he managed to push back a rampaging nine-tails with), he also has a wide enough range of jutsu that he could more than likely get itachi out of susano'o...

As for izanami.... the only reason I imagine itachi used it recently is because he was already dead... otherwise, even IF itachi was able to trap a hokage in izami, I would consider a draw, since itachi would go blind...

 

[The Necromancer]

I understand concerning Hiruzen, but we've not seen him in his prime. Concerning Minato though i don't understand, but meh everyone can have his opinion

I'm sure we've both seen our fair share of Itachi vs. Minato threads to form our own conclusions. Lol. Everyone has.

 

[GenKiDama]

no, Tsunade and minato are inferior to itachi and im not sure about the other 3. Hiruzen would prob go down to itachi but tobirama and hashirama should beat him

 

[Michio Kaku]

He isn't over hasi in my opinion and you can't really count minato out as for the rest I think he surpasses them.

 

[Moss]

I'm sure we've both seen our fair share of Itachi vs. Minato threads to form our own conclusions. Lol. Everyone has.

Oh right, cause the answer to a thread is more threads, isn't it? :|

 

[GenKiDama]

possibly summon monkey king, transform him and fight with OP staff mode (that he managed to push back a rampaging nine-tails with), he also has a wide enough range of jutsu that he could more than likely get itachi out of susano'o...

As for izanami.... the only reason I imagine itachi used it recently is because he was already dead... otherwise, even IF itachi was able to trap a hokage in izami, I would consider a draw, since itachi would go blind...

Izanami causes 1 eye to go blind, not both

 

[The Necromancer]

no, Tsunade and minato are inferior to itachi and im not sure about the other 3. Hiruzen would prob go down to itachi but tobirama and hashirama should beat him

This seems to be the general consensus here.

 

[Kages]

Purely by hype. He was hiruzen's master and Hashirama's brother. Feat wise, he hasn't shown much.

I see

Hype goes as well. Just want to know how many people think the Hokages are superior, whether by feats or by the way they are portrayed

Because feats depend on the scenario sometimes.

Then Hiruzen, Minato, and Itachi defeat him as well if we are using both hype and feats.
Tsunade is debatable

 

[The Necromancer]

Oh right, cause the answer to a thread is more threads, isn't it? :|

What.....?

 

[MangekYoMama]

I'd also like to get another point across.. while i am sure Hashirama is the strongest Hokage (or shinobi in general) and am completely certain that he is stronger than Tobirama, i don't think he is SOOOO much stronger than him. Yes he is enough to make the point that tobirama is scared of him but i think in an all out fight tobirama would give hashirama a hard time before tobirama eventually loses. As we can easily see now Hashirama and Tobirama are a direct parallel to Madara and Izuna and we all know that madara and izuna were almost equal in strength as well. Since we now know Tobirama and Izuna were rivals it is safe to say that at the time.. tobirama was on par with hashirama.

 

[Moss]

This seems to be the general consensus here.

If so, then that's complete bullsh*t. Itachi is incredibly overrated, he would go blind if he used Amaterasu and Izanami, so that is ruled out completely, he's NEVER used them outside of his Edo state, which proves he needs a lot of chakra to do any of his Mangekyo jutsu.

Also, Itachi can't use Izanagi.

 

[Sai Bomb]

Izanami causes 1 eye to go blind, not both

Okay well that either takes away his amaterasu, or his tsukoyomi, since they are both a different eye...

and i wonder if he loses ability, would he lose ability to use suasno'o too since you have to know tsukoyomi to use it?

 

[Draphsin]

If so, then that's complete bullsh*t. Itachi is incredibly overrated, he would go blind if he used Izanagi and Izanami, so that is ruled out completely, he's NEVER used them outside of his Edo state, which proves he needs a lot of chakra to do any of his Mangekyo jutsu.

Its not stated anywhere that it consumes a lot of chakra in order to cast izanami. Itachi has never been in a position where he needed to use it. Which is why he didnt. You might lose an eye, but it could have little to no chakra consumption, theres no proof saying how much it costs or even implying the fact that it costs a lot

 

[Kαmi]

Hashirama
Tobirama
Itachi = Minato
Hiruzen
Tsunade

Let's all remember one thing about Tsunade... while she may be the weakest of the Hokage and probably the weakest of the Sannin, her true worth does not come via her strength but through her medical ninjutsu. She got completely wrecked by just one Pain and i'm pretty sure she wouldn't even be able to solo Kakashi but the reason she is a Sannin is because she is the greatest medic ninja in the world which is possibly even more useful in missions. Let's all agree that Tsunade may be a relatively weak Kage in general but in terms of value she is up there with the best of them.

I'd also like to get another point across.. while i am sure Hashirama is the strongest Hokage (or shinobi in general) and am completely certain that he is stronger than Tobirama, i don't think he is SOOOO much stronger than him. Yes he is enough to make the point that tobirama is scared of him but i think in an all out fight tobirama would give hashirama a hard time before tobirama eventually loses. As we can easily see now Hashirama and Tobirama are a direct parallel to Madara and Izuna and we all know that madara and izuna were almost equal in strength as well. Since we now know Tobirama and Izuna were rivals it is safe to say that at the time.. tobirama was on par with hashirama.

I agree with everything you say except that last part, by on par do you mean equal to each other? I don't think Hashi is soooo much stronger than Tobirama either but without a doubt, he is stronger than his brother.

 

[JINCHURIKI9]

Itachi would solo 5 hokages to the point that it's not even funny.

Your trippin we really don't know what hashi or Tobi can really do yet and itchi is on the same level as hiruzen and Minato is still questionable but can beat tusnade but will have trouble

 

[Moss]

Its not stated anywhere that it consumes a lot of chakra in order to cast izanami. Itachi has never been in a position where he needed to use it. Which is why he didnt. You might lose an eye, but it could have little to no chakra consumption, theres no proof saying how much it costs or even implying the fact that it costs a lot

Going by that logic, we don't know exactly how much chakra Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi uses, yet those are just thrown around like it's nothing! No one is ever consistent when it comes to Itachi!