[Discussion] An "ideal world"?

[IntrovertedKittenNinja]

I had some downtime between classes the other day and I got to thinking for some odd reason, what would make an ideal world? I came up with a lot of strange ideas. They included:

-A woman to man ratio of 60:40 in the population
(my friend said it should be 70:30... he probably just wants more girls in the world -.-)
This might sound sexist, but I think it would result in less crime, less war, and more sympathy towards the unfortunate and a stronger dedication to preserving the environment. I mean, women tend to be less aggressive than men and more emotions/feelings/intuition oriented and therefore more likely to find a non-violent solution to a problem.

-Legalize marijuana and prostitution.
Okay, that thought might seriously throw some people, especially the prostitution part, but hear me out. The logic of legalizing marijuana is kind of a given, and if we put a tax on it we could generate income for the state/country. Imo, alcohol causes much more death and unhappiness than marijuana, yet it's perfectly legal. (Provided you're the right age.)

As for prostitution, legalizing it would be a huge blow to organized crime and human trafficking. Think about this-- law enforcement in the U.S. spends as much in a single day tracking down illegal drugs and their sellers as they do a whole year tracking down human trafficking rings. It's horrible, considering that humans, unlike drugs, can be used over and over, are easier to find, and can be psychologically and physically damaged. By legalizing it, we could not only severely lower the amount organized crime makes off of human trafficking, but we can also regulate prostitution and make it safer by requiring regular STD screening checks.

-No religion

This one might be controversial as well. Don't get me wrong, I've seen first-hand the power religion has over people. I went to a dinner for my friend's church, and this couple testified about how their 22 year old son who was gifted in many aspects, art, science, math, language, died saving one of his friends, then, in the following months lost their baby in a miscarriage, and another baby in a few years after. Instead of being angry/depressed they found comfort that their children were with the Lord now, and were almost happy.

Religion also teaches morals and things, this I know, however, I think that a lot of these older morals that religion instills in people is holding us back from advancing as a race.

People fight each other because of religion, condemn people who are different, and people in power whose morals are influenced by it are keeping science and technology from advancing.

-Have every country exclusively use environmentally friendly and renewable energy sources.

...This one is kind of obvious.

Anyway, I had a bunch more but those are the main ones. I had some weird ones like "before you could have children you needed to take and pass an IQ test"

I wish there was like a "world simulation" game where you could control different nuances of the population and the government so I could test my theories out. Something like the sims but on a global and political scale...

So what about you guys? What do YOU think would help create in ideal world? What is an ideal world? Do you agree or disagree with my ideas?

 

[Sharingdork]

as for your "Men/Woman" ratio, unless Paligamy is legalized, then there will be a lot of depressed women who know they will die alone.

 

[Amanwithnoplan]

I had some downtime between classes the other day and I got to thinking for some odd reason, what would make an ideal world? I came up with a lot of strange ideas. They included:

-A woman to man ratio of 60:40 in the population
(my friend said it should be 70:30... he probably just wants more girls in the world -.-)
This might sound sexist, but I think it would result in less crime, less war, and more sympathy towards the unfortunate and a stronger dedication to preserving the environment. I mean, women tend to be less aggressive than men and more emotions/feelings/intuition oriented and therefore more likely to find a non-violent solution to a problem.

-Legalize marijuana and prostitution.
Okay, that thought might seriously throw some people, especially the prostitution part, but hear me out. The logic of legalizing marijuana is kind of a given, and if we put a tax on it we could generate income for the state/country. Imo, alcohol causes much more death and unhappiness than marijuana, yet it's perfectly legal. (Provided you're the right age.)

As for prostitution, legalizing it would be a huge blow to organized crime and human trafficking. Think about this-- law enforcement in the U.S. spends as much in a single day tracking down illegal drugs and their sellers as they do a whole year tracking down human trafficking rings. It's horrible, considering that humans, unlike drugs, can be used over and over, are easier to find, and can be psychologically and physically damaged. By legalizing it, we could not only severely lower the amount organized crime makes off of human trafficking, but we can also regulate prostitution and make it safer by requiring regular STD screening checks.

-No religion

This one might be controversial as well. Don't get me wrong, I've seen first-hand the power religion has over people. I went to a dinner for my friend's church, and this couple testified about how their 22 year old son who was gifted in many aspects, art, science, math, language, died saving one of his friends, then, in the following months lost their baby in a miscarriage, and another baby in a few years after. Instead of being angry/depressed they found comfort that their children were with the Lord now, and were almost happy.

Religion also teaches morals and things, this I know, however, I think that a lot of these older morals that religion instills in people is holding us back from advancing as a race.

People fight each other because of religion, condemn people who are different, and people in power whose morals are influenced by it are keeping science and technology from advancing.

-Have every country exclusively use environmentally friendly and renewable energy sources.

...This one is kind of obvious.

Anyway, I had a bunch more but those are the main ones. I had some weird ones like "before you could have children you needed to take and pass an IQ test"

I wish there was like a "world simulation" game where you could control different nuances of the population and the government so I could test my theories out. Something like the sims but on a global and political scale...

So what about you guys? What do YOU think would help create in ideal world? What is an ideal world? Do you agree or disagree with my ideas?

The way you described the woman to man ratio you implied that women would be better decision makers, which I question. I often find that women make decisions on emotion, whereas big decision that affect a country need to be made on logic and reason.

Legalize Pot. All the way.
Don't care about the whores though.
No religion is impossible. And in the example you provided, it was good to see that the families of the deceased were able to find comfort in the passing of young lives. Who are you to decide what method's are appropriate for dealing with pain?
Religion can be a helpful tool but when taken to the extremes, as with all things, it becomes problematic.
Renewable energy and clean fuels by company's worldwide would be nice, but the eventuality of such a phenomenon is still many, many years away.

I would add that people should all be capable of speaking multiple languages.
And that shows like Jersey Shore and books like Twilight, which effectively make people dumber, should be ban. Anyone who is caught violating that edict should be killed.

 

[Piccolosan]

I had some downtime between classes the other day and I got to thinking for some odd reason, what would make an ideal world? I came up with a lot of strange ideas. They included:

-A woman to man ratio of 60:40 in the population
(my friend said it should be 70:30... he probably just wants more girls in the world -.-)
This might sound sexist, but I think it would result in less crime, less war, and more sympathy towards the unfortunate and a stronger dedication to preserving the environment. I mean, women tend to be less aggressive than men and more emotions/feelings/intuition oriented and therefore more likely to find a non-violent solution to a problem.

-Legalize marijuana and prostitution.
Okay, that thought might seriously throw some people, especially the prostitution part, but hear me out. The logic of legalizing marijuana is kind of a given, and if we put a tax on it we could generate income for the state/country. Imo, alcohol causes much more death and unhappiness than marijuana, yet it's perfectly legal. (Provided you're the right age.)

As for prostitution, legalizing it would be a huge blow to organized crime and human trafficking. Think about this-- law enforcement in the U.S. spends as much in a single day tracking down illegal drugs and their sellers as they do a whole year tracking down human trafficking rings. It's horrible, considering that humans, unlike drugs, can be used over and over, are easier to find, and can be psychologically and physically damaged. By legalizing it, we could not only severely lower the amount organized crime makes off of human trafficking, but we can also regulate prostitution and make it safer by requiring regular STD screening checks.

-No religion

This one might be controversial as well. Don't get me wrong, I've seen first-hand the power religion has over people. I went to a dinner for my friend's church, and this couple testified about how their 22 year old son who was gifted in many aspects, art, science, math, language, died saving one of his friends, then, in the following months lost their baby in a miscarriage, and another baby in a few years after. Instead of being angry/depressed they found comfort that their children were with the Lord now, and were almost happy.

Religion also teaches morals and things, this I know, however, I think that a lot of these older morals that religion instills in people is holding us back from advancing as a race.

People fight each other because of religion, condemn people who are different, and people in power whose morals are influenced by it are keeping science and technology from advancing.

-Have every country exclusively use environmentally friendly and renewable energy sources.

...This one is kind of obvious.

Anyway, I had a bunch more but those are the main ones. I had some weird ones like "before you could have children you needed to take and pass an IQ test"

I wish there was like a "world simulation" game where you could control different nuances of the population and the government so I could test my theories out. Something like the sims but on a global and political scale...

So what about you guys? What do YOU think would help create in ideal world? What is an ideal world? Do you agree or disagree with my ideas?

1. There is already more women then men in the world, the ratio is about 58:42 so that already disproves your theory of a better world if there would be less men Also you are not using any facts to back up your theory, meaning what if women were in the same situation as men. What if instead of men leaders it would have been women...would the women be less violent? Would she be less ambitious and not try to take more power? You are being sexist by separating this without proof...

2. All your saying is lets make everything legal and no crime would exist...Lets make killing legal Im sure death crimes would drop O_O And about your tax on weed...show proof of how much it would revenue from taxes. You also not thinking of the thousands of people who make money from selling weed. I live in California and we just had an election to legal weed, I know many people who sell weed that voted not to legalize it.

3. Again show proof that religion has slowed down progression of our society...In the beginning religion was what did advance us. All the beautiful paintings were paid for by the Catholic Church. All the early schools were funded by the Catholic Church as well, the only evidence there is that the church went against education was that the world was not the center of our galaxy. In everything else religion has funded and even Catholic teachers and priests have make important discoveries, Charles Darwin was Catholic
But I agree with the prostitution thing, if we do legalize it will be safer for the whores and safer for the clients (disease and maybe theft and killings)

4. This one is not obvious, most of the world is not rich enough to support these technological stuff. It would be super expensive to just use environmentally friendly resources. If there would be a law that would enact this theory the world economy would just fall apart...there is a reason why its taking such a long time to switch to this, and thats money...

 

[Rodukaime Namikaze]

You are stupid for even allowing to get rid of these laws. These laws were made to keep order and peace. You're pretty much letting the laws stand for nothing.

I more insulted that you believe religion is full of "old morals". This is rediculous that you believe that the reason were not advancing is because of religion? You're just looking for an excuse, in my opinion.
This thread made me really mad just by reading it.
Good day to you.

 

[IntrovertedKittenNinja]

The way you described the woman to man ratio you implied that women would be better decision makers, which I question. I often find that women make decisions on emotion, whereas big decision that affect a country need to be made on logic and reason.

Legalize Pot. All the way.
Don't care about the whores though.
No religion is impossible. And in the example you provided, it was good to see that the families of the deceased were able to find comfort in the passing of young lives. Who are you to decide what method's are appropriate for dealing with pain?
Religion can be a helpful tool but when taken to the extremes, as with all things, it becomes problematic.
Renewable energy and clean fuels by company's worldwide would be nice, but the eventuality of such a phenomenon is still many, many years away.

I would add that people should all be capable of speaking multiple languages.
And that shows like Jersey Shore and books like Twilight, which effectively make people dumber, should be ban. Anyone who is caught violating that edict should be killed.

I wasn't actually disapproving of how that family dealt with their pain, I was providing an example of how religion can be helpful. It probably IS impossible for religion to be gone, because it's not just a "superstition" like some people assert. If that were so, it would be forgotten a long time ago like how people believed the earth was flat, etc. What sets it apart from a "superstition" is that humanity will always yearn for some kind of assurance that 1. there is life after death, 2. the wicked will be punished, and 3. there is someone they can pray to in desperate times. I don't have a feasible way of getting rid of religion, just think the world would be better off without for the most part.

I agree with the multiple languages part! People should be more informed about other cultures and customs too, which would raise peoples' understanding of one another.

And I didn't say women were better decision makers. Actually, I think men are, because they use logic more to make decisions. The thing is, sometimes, the most logical decision isn't the one that helps the most people. A person could decide that cutting down the rainforests is a good idea because there is a lot of materials/resources to be gathered there, and it's a solid logical choice, but it also harms millions of indigenous people and wildlife. Leaders today might think it isn't logical to put a lot of money in researching alternative energy because the return on the investment would be such a long ways off, but it IS the right thing to do. That's a decision someone with more sympathy for the earth and for people in the future would make, not someone who is looking for the most efficient way to spend their money.

LOL one of the ideas I had was to limit the amount of music/tv/movies/video games that carry no meaningful/educational purpose to people under 18 years old. But I don't know of a way to do that without censoring and limiting people's freedom's too much.

 

[Amanwithnoplan]

I wasn't actually disapproving of how that family dealt with their pain, I was providing an example of how religion can be helpful. It probably IS impossible for religion to be gone, because it's not just a "superstition" like some people assert. If that were so, it would be forgotten a long time ago like how people believed the earth was flat, etc. What sets it apart from a "superstition" is that humanity will always yearn for some kind of assurance that 1. there is life after death, 2. the wicked will be punished, and 3. there is someone they can pray to in desperate times. I don't have a feasible way of getting rid of religion, just think the world would be better off without for the most part.

I agree with the multiple languages part! People should be more informed about other cultures and customs too, which would raise peoples' understanding of one another.

And I didn't say women were better decision makers. Actually, I think men are, because they use logic more to make decisions. The thing is, sometimes, the most logical decision isn't the one that helps the most people. A person could decide that cutting down the rainforests is a good idea because there is a lot of materials/resources to be gathered there, and it's a solid logical choice, but it also harms millions of indigenous people and wildlife. Leaders today might think it isn't logical to put a lot of money in researching alternative energy because the return on the investment would be such a long ways off, but it IS the right thing to do. That's a decision someone with more sympathy for the earth and for people in the future would make, not someone who is looking for the most efficient way to spend their money.

LOL one of the ideas I had was to limit the amount of music/tv/movies/video games that carry no meaningful/educational purpose to people under 18 years old. But I don't know of a way to do that without censoring and limiting people's freedom's too much.

If you don't have any feasible idea of how to get rid of religion than you shouldn't even bring it up.

Your logic example is not logical. Yes cutting the trees gives immediate resources, but a logical thinker needs to see beyond the immediate needs. You are confusing greed and logic.
At this point it would be fitting to go into a discussion about how a universal set of morals would be needed to be able to create a world where people's logic was not overrun by their desire for little green pieces of paper. But I don't feeling like typing a dissertation, so I won't.
In the end, wishing for an ideal world is great. But if you can't conceive of methods to implement it, it means nothing. And even if you can create the methods, if you don't actually do something it means nothing. My point being, talking about things doesn't get anything done.
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world."

 

[IntrovertedKittenNinja]

1. There is already more women then men in the world, the ratio is about 58:42 so that already disproves your theory of a better world if there would be less men Also you are not using any facts to back up your theory, meaning what if women were in the same situation as men. What if instead of men leaders it would have been women...would the women be less violent? Would she be less ambitious and not try to take more power? You are being sexist by separating this without proof...

2. All your saying is lets make everything legal and no crime would exist...Lets make killing legal Im sure death crimes would drop O_O And about your tax on weed...show proof of how much it would revenue from taxes. You also not thinking of the thousands of people who make money from selling weed. I live in California and we just had an election to legal weed, I know many people who sell weed that voted not to legalize it.

3. Again show proof that religion has slowed down progression of our society...In the beginning religion was what did advance us. All the beautiful paintings were paid for by the Catholic Church. All the early schools were funded by the Catholic Church as well, the only evidence there is that the church went against education was that the world was not the center of our galaxy. In everything else religion has funded and even Catholic teachers and priests have make important discoveries, Charles Darwin was Catholic
But I agree with the prostitution thing, if we do legalize it will be safer for the whores and safer for the clients (disease and maybe theft and killings)

4. This one is not obvious, most of the world is not rich enough to support these technological stuff. It would be super expensive to just use environmentally friendly resources. If there would be a law that would enact this theory the world economy would just fall apart...there is a reason why its taking such a long time to switch to this, and thats money...

1. Hm... so then what do you believe is the cause of more crimes being committed by men? Also it's just a biological fact that women are less aggressive on average than men. Be it due to hormones or whatever, that's just how it is. They have a tendency to be maternal because of evolution and their place over time as a mother who takes care of the children rather than the father who goes out and kills sabertooth tigers and stuff to bring home. That's why men must be biologically more aggressive. (Not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, just that it's the cause of why cases of ambitious and power hungry individuals tend to be male.)

Also I'd like to see what source you got that population ratio on, and if it's a trustworthy, empirical source. Most results I find on google regarding the ratio pen it as about even.

2. Um, that's not really the logic I used in my OP... So I'm not sure how to rebuttle that...

I'm pretty sure regardless of the revenue we gain from taxes from legalized marijuana, it will be more than the ZERO we gain from it being illegal, and the money we SPEND trying to bust those who sell it and use it illegally when we could be focusing on more important things like human trafficking and the abuse of deadlier, addictive drugs. Also, a basic fundamental property of economics known as competition would indicate that yes, there will still be those who sell marijuana illegally, but they'll sell less because of competition from government sanctioned outlets. And that's less money to contribute to gangs and stuff. Not that all pot dealers are in gangs. o.o

3. That's a good example of religion advancing humanity... like 1200 something years ago. Today, because of, for example the Catholic Church's stance on embryonic stem cell research, people in charge who are Catholic will obviously take the same stance as them and view stem cell research negatively. We could be using stem cell research to cure paralysis, grow organs for transplants, etc.

4. Wait... so because it's just too expensive we're going to toss the whole alternative energy idea and keep on polluting the earth and destroying the earth's resources for the future generations? The earth's population's use of oil, because of burgeoning economies of rising countries like China and India and others, are causing the use of oil to increase exponentially. I mean, the world runs on oil. Not just cars and factories, but literally everything in your life from the cereal in your pantry to the clothes you wear involve oil somewhere in the process of its creation.

Also, it just proves one of the criminal aspects of the world and those in charge-- that they're stopping the progress of technology because of money. If we were less greedy and more progressive we could have really neat things right now... like.. idk, cars that run on water LOL or mechas that run on corn syrup xD

 

[IntrovertedKittenNinja]

Your logic example is not logical. Yes cutting the trees gives immediate resources, but a logical thinker needs to see beyond the immediate needs. You are confusing greed and logic.

You SAY that, but isn't that what's actually happening? So then, those in charge and made those decisions, by your own logic, are greedy, and not logical?

Which is kind of the point I'm aiming for when I say women are more sympathetic in their decision making and are more likely to make the decision to not cut down those trees, even if it means missing out on natural resources.

If you don't have any feasible idea of how to get rid of religion than you shouldn't even bring it up.


At this point it would be fitting to go into a discussion about how a universal set of morals would be needed to be able to create a world where people's logic was not overrun by their desire for little green pieces of paper. But I don't feeling like typing a dissertation, so I won't.
In the end, wishing for an ideal world is great. But if you can't conceive of methods to implement it, it means nothing. And even if you can create the methods, if you don't actually do something it means nothing. My point being, talking about things doesn't get anything done.
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world."

Yes, I'm aware of that LOL. I hope you all don't think this is me trying to stir up a revolution from NB. I'm just making conversation.

(That being said, I'm sorry to the people I offended! >.<)

 

[Amanwithnoplan]

You SAY that, but isn't that what's actually happening? So then, those in charge and made those decisions, by your own logic, are greedy, and not logical?

Which is kind of the point I'm aiming for when I say women are more sympathetic in their decision making and are more likely to make the decision to not cut down those trees, even if it means missing out on natural resources.



Yes, I'm aware of that LOL. I hope you all don't think this is me trying to stir up a revolution from NB. I'm just making conversation.

(That being said, I'm sorry to the people I offended! >.<)

Yes I think corruption is a huge problem in the world. But that's a separate debate.
You think that given the same opportunists women would act less greedily than their male counterparts? I think that is naive.

 

[IntrovertedKittenNinja]

Yes I think corruption is a huge problem in the world. But that's a separate debate.
You think that given the same opportunists women would act less greedily than their male counterparts? I think that is naive.

Oh.. okie...

Sighhh. Meh. I still don't think so, but I've said pretty much all there is as to why I think it's likely women would act less greedy. But seeing how it's all speculation and theory until we see more women in positions of power, all there is is to throw your opinions out there and wait.

Not that I don't like to debate, especially with intelligent people, (even moreso with more intelligent people than me) but it's kinda pointless to argue the point further because we'd just go in circles... @.@

 

[Piccolosan]

1. Hm... so then what do you believe is the cause of more crimes being committed by men? Also it's just a biological fact that women are less aggressive on average than men. Be it due to hormones or whatever, that's just how it is. They have a tendency to be maternal because of evolution and their place over time as a mother who takes care of the children rather than the father who goes out and kills sabertooth tigers and stuff to bring home. That's why men must be biologically more aggressive. (Not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, just that it's the cause of why cases of ambitious and power hungry individuals tend to be male.)

Also I'd like to see what source you got that population ratio on, and if it's a trustworthy, empirical source. Most results I find on google regarding the ratio pen it as about even.

2. Um, that's not really the logic I used in my OP... So I'm not sure how to rebuttle that...

I'm pretty sure regardless of the revenue we gain from taxes from legalized marijuana, it will be more than the ZERO we gain from it being illegal, and the money we SPEND trying to bust those who sell it and use it illegally when we could be focusing on more important things like human trafficking and the abuse of deadlier, addictive drugs. Also, a basic fundamental property of economics known as competition would indicate that yes, there will still be those who sell marijuana illegally, but they'll sell less because of competition from government sanctioned outlets. And that's less money to contribute to gangs and stuff. Not that all pot dealers are in gangs. o.o

3. That's a good example of religion advancing humanity... like 1200 something years ago. Today, because of, for example the Catholic Church's stance on embryonic stem cell research, people in charge who are Catholic will obviously take the same stance as them and view stem cell research negatively. We could be using stem cell research to cure paralysis, grow organs for transplants, etc.

4. Wait... so because it's just too expensive we're going to toss the whole alternative energy idea and keep on polluting the earth and destroying the earth's resources for the future generations? The earth's population's use of oil, because of burgeoning economies of rising countries like China and India and others, are causing the use of oil to increase exponentially. I mean, the world runs on oil. Not just cars and factories, but literally everything in your life from the cereal in your pantry to the clothes you wear involve oil somewhere in the process of its creation.

Also, it just proves one of the criminal aspects of the world and those in charge-- that they're stopping the progress of technology because of money. If we were less greedy and more progressive we could have really neat things right now... like.. idk, cars that run on water LOL or mechas that run on corn syrup xD

1. You told me that I used 1200 year old evidence for religion when you just used 10,000 plus years ago for your biological evidence of why men are more aggressive...whats up with that? Also tell me your sources because you still have no proof and when I use proof you try to challenge it? Also women as a leader would be Cleopatra who used two different leaders for her gain...greedy and ambitious much?

2. What do you mean that was not your argument, it was because thats what you said
You do know that the government is still battling human trafficking and other stuff right? There are different departments for different types of crimes...also what about the fines that the government gives out for revenue. Also your competition would not happen because it would be legal to grow so everyone would grow it...so no one would sell.

3. Its legal to make stem cell research O_O I don't know what your talking about and I know your talking about those protesters...don't generalize, most religious people agree on that research...

4. Stop twisting my words, I never said we just stop advancing. Laws are being made to be more efficient and people are researching different ways for it.

Also on that greedy part, if humans weren't greedy society wouldn't even advance at all. Because of all these greedy people we get technology research, greed is what keeps an economy alive which allows use to progress because of money...

 

[IntrovertedKittenNinja]

1. You told me that I used 1200 year old evidence for religion when you just used 10,000 plus years ago for your biological evidence of why men are more aggressive...whats up with that? Also tell me your sources because you still have no proof and when I use proof you try to challenge it? Also women as a leader would be Cleopatra who used two different leaders for her gain...greedy and ambitious much?

2. What do you mean that was not your argument, it was because thats what you said
You do know that the government is still battling human trafficking and other stuff right? There are different departments for different types of crimes...also what about the fines that the government gives out for revenue. Also your competition would not happen because it would be legal to grow so everyone would grow it...so no one would sell.

3. Its legal to make stem cell research O_O I don't know what your talking about and I know your talking about those protesters...don't generalize, most religious people agree on that research...

4. Stop twisting my words, I never said we just stop advancing. Laws are being made to be more efficient and people are researching different ways for it.

Also on that greedy part, if humans weren't greedy society wouldn't even advance at all. Because of all these greedy people we get technology research, greed is what keeps an economy alive which allows use to progress because of money...

1. Well... it's kind of different. You can't really compare the biological mechanics of evolution to the role of the Catholic Church 1200 years ago and say that they're both influential in the same capacity, you see what I'm saying? Cleopatra is a good example of a female leader who exhibits greed, can't really argue on that as I'm not too familiar with her history, but I do know that the amount of corrupt male rulers far outweighs the female ones. Having said that, I'm aware that's kind of unfair seeing as how there are very few female leaders in history. So I'm not going to be cheap and list every corrupt male leader in history as it's unnecessary.

2. You said that I said that just because something is legalized it means people will stop doing it. Though in the cases of the criminal use of marijuana and human trafficking this might be the case or at least help contribute to it, the mere fact that legalizing it alone isn't going to stop those things from happening. What I basically said was that it's legalization would cause criminal organizations to have less of a motive to do those things, as it would cause less revenue for them as people would rather comply with the law and still have their drugs and prostitutes rather than risk going to jail. In the case of legalizing murder and expecting murder rates to go down, that isn't a fair comparison because the motives behind murder would warrant that legalizing murder or not wouldn't help lower murder rates.

And sure, the government is battling human trafficking. But nowhere near the scale in which they're battling drug trafficking. I mentioned this in the opening post.

In some or most countries, though it is legal to buy alcohol, it is illegal to make it yourself without permits or things of that nature, so revenue made by selling and buying alcohol is unaffected. I'm not sure if I specified that I meant the use of marijuana should be legalized, not necessarily its growth on a non government regulated scale, but if I didn't, I apologize.

3. It is? Neat. But either way, many decades were spent with that research in a standstill because of the controversy it caused. Do you deny that if the catholic church didn't state that their position on stem cell research was that it was human experimentation, there would be less controversy regarding it? I'm not generalizing. I'm addressing people in power. Obviously there was a problem with stem cell research from the point of view of the people in power. Whether or not the majority of regular everyday people who happen to be religious disapprove of stem cell research is irrelevant in this aspect.

4. Sorry you thought I was twisting your words, I must have misunderstood your point. Let's try to keep this debate/thread civil.

True, but the same greed is also stopping us from advancing.

 

[Piccolosan]

1. Well... it's kind of different. You can't really compare the biological mechanics of evolution to the role of the Catholic Church 1200 years ago and say that they're both influential in the same capacity, you see what I'm saying? Cleopatra is a good example of a female leader who exhibits greed, can't really argue on that as I'm not too familiar with her history, but I do know that the amount of corrupt male rulers far outweighs the female ones. Having said that, I'm aware that's kind of unfair seeing as how there are very few female leaders in history. So I'm not going to be cheap and list every corrupt male leader in history as it's unnecessary.

2. You said that I said that just because something is legalized it means people will stop doing it. Though in the cases of the criminal use of marijuana and human trafficking this might be the case or at least help contribute to it, the mere fact that legalizing it alone isn't going to stop those things from happening. What I basically said was that it's legalization would cause criminal organizations to have less of a motive to do those things, as it would cause less revenue for them as people would rather comply with the law and still have their drugs and prostitutes rather than risk going to jail. In the case of legalizing murder and expecting murder rates to go down, that isn't a fair comparison because the motives behind murder would warrant that legalizing murder or not wouldn't help lower murder rates.

And sure, the government is battling human trafficking. But nowhere near the scale in which they're battling drug trafficking. I mentioned this in the opening post.

In some or most countries, though it is legal to buy alcohol, it is illegal to make it yourself without permits or things of that nature, so revenue made by selling and buying alcohol is unaffected. I'm not sure if I specified that I meant the use of marijuana should be legalized, not necessarily its growth on a non government regulated scale, but if I didn't, I apologize.

3. It is? Neat. But either way, many decades were spent with that research in a standstill because of the controversy it caused. Do you deny that if the catholic church didn't state that their position on stem cell research was that it was human experimentation, there would be less controversy regarding it? I'm not generalizing. I'm addressing people in power. Obviously there was a problem with stem cell research from the point of view of the people in power. Whether or not the majority of regular everyday people who happen to be religious disapprove of stem cell research is irrelevant in this aspect.

4. Sorry you thought I was twisting your words, I must have misunderstood your point. Let's try to keep this debate/thread civil.

True, but the same greed is also stopping us from advancing.

1. Yes you can because most of the advances in education and science that the church provided is still being used today...so influential it is. Also females also produce testosterone, the hormone that you said influences males aggression O_O

2. No what I meant is that if its legal then its not breaking the law, hence if we legalize murder than no one would be a criminal even if they do kill, get my point? The reason drug department is in a bigger scale, is because overall the drug problem is a bigger problem. No matter what country almost every crime starts with or around drugs. Also about that permit thing, if you pay for it and get the permit you can make it...its that easy. In California if you have a medical marijuana card you can grow it. Just to let you know how easy it is to get that card...you go to the center you pay $30 and they give you a list of about 100 illnesses. If you check even one of those you get it. One is headaches...

3. And I believe its been around a decade since stem cell research was possible so not that long. In fact, Catholic church is not prominent in America to make an impact on that. Also the only reason the "leaders" used religion and went against it is because of the public. If the leaders sees that the public majority is against something they will too be against it...and etc.

4. Im being civil just trying to see how your arguing when you contradict yourself...For instance without greed we would still be in the stone age and you agree on this, but you still want leaders to be less greedy...contradiction.

 

[McKnockout]

1. No poverty or famine.
2. No diseases, sickness, illnesses, etc.
3. No money.
4. Renewable energy.
5. Instead of war and violence, we play music U_U

But these "ideal" rules would probably destroy mankind. Especially with Points 1 and 2, we would without a doubt over populate the earth and mankind would perish IMO - that is just going against nature, its there for a reason. As for Points 3, 4 and 5..it would be nice but that's an impossible dream.

 

[Cyborg]

OP needs to read Orwell.

 

[Swizzik]

theres no such thing as an ideal world because not everybody is an ideal person

 

[Exaar]

the ideal world would be if Man never evolved in the first place.

The world would be a better place without us humans destroying it.

 

[Flaw]

What you want is a boring, lifeless, dreadful world of mindless fucking robots.
Something like that is described in the movie 'Equilibrium' and the game 'Mirorr's Edge'.
So no, get lost, and flush your utopic idealism down the drain.

 

[Cyborg]

What you want is a boring, lifeless, dreadful world of mindless fucking robots.
Something like that is described in the movie 'Equilibrium' and the game 'Mirorr's Edge'.
So no, get lost, and flush your utopic idealism down the drain.

*Needs to spread rep*......damn.