[Discussion] Akainu vs Lé Mihype (Mihawk)

[AlicexX]

Big Mihawk fan, but like I posted in the first akainu vs Mihawk thread......

Akainu wins

Warlords never keep exact levels of their yonkou enemies.

Somewhere along the grand line, the rival surpasses them to get that yonkou title.

There are a few other reasons that Mihawk isn't a Yonkou that has nothing to do with strength. Mihawk has hype and portrayal to put him as a top tier.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Mihawk stopped his duels with Shanks ever since the incident. He even said it himself that he doesn't want to fight with a one-armed man.

OT: Now that I think about it, it took literally the strongest WB commanders to face off with Akainu and they couldn't even hurt him or compete with him for that manner. The WB commanders (Jozu/Vista) stopped Mihawk's attacks quite effortlessly so I would assume Akainu can do the same or at least tank it to the same degree. The dude tanked WB's attacks as well.

I change my answer about the pre-TS fight to Akainu high/mid-diff.

That proves nothing since shanks COULD have been a yonko before he lost his arm and whiteboard even indicated that he was as strong if not stronger before he lost his arm

 

[VongolaX]

There are a few other reasons that Mihawk isn't a Yonkou that has nothing to do with strength. Mihawk has hype and portrayal to put him as a top tier.

Compare hype with feats....

Do you really think Mihawk can stop Whitebeards clash with one hand?

Like Mihawk could have that Moria and Kaido relationship for all we know

 

[AlicexX]

Compare hype with feats....

Do you really think Mihawk can stop Whitebeards clash with one hand?

A WB that isn't using his Gura Gura with no killing intent like in the case with Shanks? Without a doubt. Dude has the strength to casually chop up an iceberg .

Like Mihawk could have that Moria and Kaido relationship for all we know

I don't think so. I mean, Kaido clearly defeated Moria and his crew all of those years ago, but it has been said that no one ever won in Shanks and Mihawk's duels.

 

[Hijey]

Compare hype with feats....

Do you really think Mihawk can stop Whitebeards clash with one hand?

Like Mihawk could have that Moria and Kaido relationship for all we know

Yeah. That's like asking if Luffy could stop an attack from Zoro if Sanji could do the same.

See, it's impossible their relationship is that of Kaido and Moria given what we know. Moria is a complete fodder compared to Kaido and he gave up on his goal. Whereas Shanks and Mihawk reached their goal. You might as well ask this question again 10 years from now and wonder if Zoro and Shanks have similar relationship as Kaido/Moria when he beats the man that stands between him and his goal.

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Excuse, am I missing a rule that says swordsmen can not kick? I mean, we've even seen Zoro kick before doesn't make him any less of a swordsman. Besides, that was a kick on an off guard Kizaru. What did Rayleigh do for the remainder of the fight? That's right. He used swordsmanship even though he didn't touch his sword for a good 2 decades. Poor fellow came with nothing else even though he reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally wanted to save the SHs.

 

[LeEvilTongue]

One order of BBQ'ed Hawk please

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Sakazuki extreme diff.

 

[Avinash012]

How so?
Fleet Admiral > Shichibukai.

Luffy's EOS opponent > Zoro's EOS opponent

Mihawk loses in everything including Hype, feats etc.

The only thing he wins at is Swordsmanship

Akainu being Luffy's EOS opponent dosen't put him above Mihawk by any means,Luffy'll fight whole WG not just Akainu,EOS Luffy'll be as strong as Prime Roger/WB or probably stronger than that level & Zoro should be close to Luffy's strength,Do u really think Akainu can reach that level.?
No, not in a 100 years.
Here Shanks for Luffy = Mihawk for Zoro,Luffy and Zoro are very close to eachother and same goes for Shanks & Miahwk,If Mihawk is not close to Shanks then what is the point of Mihawk being Shansk rival?
I don't think Oda did it for no purpose,also Luffy'll surpass Shanks long b4 EOS,does that mean EOS Akainu'll be stronger than Shanks.?
Akainu is going all out from the beginning of the war of the best but Mihawk is just playing around & swinging sword without putting much effort like a boss.
U can't say Akainu is strong based on what we have seen as Akainu is going against WB so he is going all out but what about Mihawk.?
Yes,Vista managed to hold Mihawk & whole WB commanders failed against Akainu but this is not going to change anything in a one on one battle of Mihawk & Akainu.
Vista is a skilled SM, he is one of worst possible opponents for Mihawk as he can block most of Mihawk's attacks.
As u already know every cap of WB's crew is capable of holding their ground against an Admiral,Marco alone managed to hold Kizaru & Jozu fought on par with Aokiji,by ur logic Akainu should be far stronger than Aokiji as Akainu managed hold his ground against all of WB cap's but what happend in Aokiji vs Akainu fight.?

End of the day:Mihawk got more hype than Akainu & Akainu got more feats than Mihawk as he went all out against WB.

Only people to have more hype than Mihawk as of now are

Dragon.
Roger.
WB.
Shanks.
Garp.
Dark king.

^^ all are at their peaks.

As far as I know the parallels in OP are like this,

Roger & Ray = Shanks & Mihawk = Luffy & Zoro.

All are above Admiral level at their peaks.

If Luffy managed beat someone b/w Mid and High Dif then Zoro can do the same,If Luffy managed to beat someone b/w high and very high dif then it could go either way for Zoro,the same logic can be applied to others as well.
Shanks can probably beat Akainu b/w Mid and high dif (atleast for me) so it is only logical to say Mihawk can beat Akainu atleast with high dif.

 

[The 1 who knows]

I rarely come in the One Piece section here in the base. I decided to check it out today....and boy am I learning how incompetent it is. Don't know what show half these guys been watching but im seeing a lot of people say Mihawk > Admirals, need to get checked up, and im a Mihawk fan saying this.

@Akatsuki guy

Uhh...Mihawk battled a Shanks that got his arm taken by some fodder sea creature, big difference from fighting a Yonko...mate. Its been a decade since they fought, people progress at different rates its clear Shanks pulled ahead of Mihawk from what we've seen.


Thats his pirate opponent guy. There will be a final war against the Marines Oda confirmed it. Akainu is his EOS marine opponent and BB is his EOS pirate opponent. Hype wise Akainu > Mihawk, Featwise Akainu > Mihawk. Lol I feel sorry because there are literally no points you can bring up to say Mihawk > Akainu...none.

saying that just cause his arm was taken BACK THEN and he wasnt as strong has no basis.........bcoz even whitebeard was like...dude when you returned with no arm we was like.......wtf? which monster did that to you........this simply implies that shanks was seriously strong.....so thyat point of yours is null and void!!!!

as to who would win IDK.....but if shanks could stop akainu's attack with ease then so could le mihawk

 

[TheHokage]

saying that just cause his arm was taken BACK THEN and he wasnt as strong has no basis.........bcoz even whitebeard was like...dude when you returned with no arm we was like.......wtf? which monster did that to you........this simply implies that shanks was seriously strong.....so thyat point of yours is null and void!!!!

as to who would win IDK.....but if shanks could stop akainu's attack with ease then so could le mihawk

Shanks was able to stop Akainu's attack with his superior Haki not his swordsmanship which is the only aspect Shanks and Mihawk have that are comparable.

 

[Hijey]

Avinash, Akainu never took on all of the WB commanders by himself as that is impossible for anyone to do and neither is Akainu getting mid diffed by anyone other than prime Roger and Whitebeard. I more or less agree with rest of your post except for Mihawk being weaker than Shanks like always.

Shanks was able to stop Akainu's attack with his superior Haki not his swordsmanship which is the only aspect Shanks and Mihawk have that are comparable.

What are you implying here?

 

[Avinash012]

Avinash, Akainu never took on all of the WB commanders by himself as that is impossible for anyone to do and neither is Akainu getting mid diffed by anyone other than prime Roger and Whitebeard. I more or less agree with rest of your post except for Mihawk being weaker than Shanks like always.

Indirectly that is what Iam saying ,the other guy said that Akainu better than Mihawk coz of this

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Here my point is that WB cap's failed to stop Akainu but it won't change anything in a one on one battle as Anyone of top WB cap's can hold their ground against Akainu/any Admiral.
At that time they lost their fighting spirit due to Obvious reasons, so we shouldn't consider than as a top dog feat of Akainu but it is still badass.

 

[TheHokage]

What are you implying here?

That Shanks is stronger overall than Mihawk. Since I doubt Shanks only possesses swordsman skills. It's only ever been shown Shanks and Mihawk are comparable in swordsmanship nothing else.

Anyway what I was implying was just because Shanks was able to stop Akainu's attack it doesn't mean Mihawk could since Shanks stopping Akainu was because of his Haki which I think we can all agree Shank's Haki > Mihawk's Haki. Now I'm not going to get into a debate who's stronger between Shanks and Mihawk since I already have my own opinion around that and this is not the thread to do it on.

However I don't believe Mihawk is as strong as most people probably hype him to be and in an fight I think he would lose to Akainu but it would high diff.

 

[Hijey]

That Shanks is stronger overall than Mihawk. Since I doubt Shanks only possesses swordsman skills. It's only ever been shown Shanks and Mihawk are comparable in swordsmanship nothing else.

Maybe that's because Shanks greatest fighting style is his swordsmanship? He is afterall the student of Rayleigh who himself is a swordsman. He was a swordsman 14 years ago and I don't believe that has changed, unless he consumed a devil fruit.

Anyway what I was implying was just because Shanks was able to stop Akainu's attack it doesn't mean Mihawk could since Shanks stopping Akainu was because of his Haki which I think we can all agree Shank's Haki > Mihawk's Haki. Now I'm not going to get into a debate who's stronger between Shanks and Mihawk since I already have my own opinion around that and this is not the thread to do it on.

Yes, Mihawk would stop that attack and so would any other top tier. It's like saying no one but Jozu could stop the attack Mihawk used against WB. :\ It's an attack to finish a fodder like Coby. Even fricking Jimbei managed to stop an attack from Akainu. The fact that you say Mihawk would lose high difficulty proves that he can stop it. It's not like Shanks haki is god like compared to other top tiers.

 

[TheHokage]

Maybe that's because Shanks greatest fighting style is his swordsmanship? He is afterall the student of Rayleigh who himself is a swordsman. He was a swordsman 14 years ago and I don't believe that has changed, unless he consumed a devil fruit.


Yes, Mihawk would stop that attack and so would any other top tier. It's like saying no one but Jozu could stop the attack Mihawk used against WB. :\ It's an attack to finish a fodder like Coby. Even fricking Jimbei managed to stop an attack from Akainu. The fact that you say Mihawk would lose high difficulty proves that he can stop it. It's not like Shanks haki is god like compared to other top tiers.

I don't think it was ever confirmed Shanks was Rayleigh's student unless of course you can actually prove that he was I'm not going to take that comment seriously.

Also again just because Shanks uses a sword it doesn't mean he can't use anything else. Whitebeard used a spear yet he was shown to have hand to hand fighting abilities that surpassed an admiral. It's only ever been confirmed that Shanks and Mihawk are comparable in swordsmanship or are you saying if Shanks lost his sword he would suddenly become weak.

Anyway Shanks has Haki feats at the moment while Mihawk does not he has none so actually I can say Shanks Haki > Mihawk's Haki.

Anyway I doubt you'll actually take any of this in but like I said I'm not debating Mihawk vs Shanks.

Now onto Akainu's case. Yes Akainu's attack was meant for Coby but what suddenly made it a fodder attack any hit from Akainu is pretty much lethal and to me it pretty much looked like the same punch he gave to Marco that knocked Marco away.

 

[Hijey]

I don't think it was ever confirmed Shanks was Rayleigh's student unless of course you can actually prove that he was I'm not going to take that comment seriously.

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Shanks referred to him as master.

Also again just because Shanks uses a sword it doesn't mean he can't use anything else. Whitebeard used a spear yet he was shown to have hand to hand fighting abilities that surpassed an admiral. It's only ever been confirmed that Shanks and Mihawk are comparable in swordsmanship or are you saying if Shanks lost his sword he would suddenly become weak.

I'm pretty sure that only happened in the anime, unless you can show me in the manga. Mihawk would be weaker if he lost his sword. So would Rayleigh. So would Vista. So would Zoro. Of course, since they are extremely strong and are veteran they would also be efficient in other fighting styles, but that wouldn't help them against people in the same league as them as much as their strongest fighting style, e.g. swordless Zoro vs Law.

Anyway Shanks has Haki feats at the moment while Mihawk does not he has none so actually I can say Shanks Haki > Mihawk's Haki.

I don't mind if you say that, just as long as you know that's not what would make him stronger if he has no other means than his swordsmanship. Point is, if Jimbei who is several times weaker than the big boys can stop that attack, why in the world would you think they could not? You could replace Dragon with Mihawk in this case since I know you love the guy. He has no feats, but us capable guys doesn't stop from saying silly things like that.

Now onto Akainu's case. Yes Akainu's attack was meant for Coby but what suddenly made it a fodder attack any hit from Akainu is pretty much lethal and to me it pretty much looked like the same punch he gave to Marco that knocked Marco away.

Marco was never pushed by an attack Akainu used at him. That was anime only. So again, anybody strong enough that can tango with Akainu can stop such an attack.

 

[The 1 who knows]

That Shanks is stronger overall than Mihawk. Since I doubt Shanks only possesses swordsman skills. It's only ever been shown Shanks and Mihawk are comparable in swordsmanship nothing else.

Anyway what I was implying was just because Shanks was able to stop Akainu's attack it doesn't mean Mihawk could since Shanks stopping Akainu was because of his Haki which I think we can all agree Shank's Haki > Mihawk's Haki. Now I'm not going to get into a debate who's stronger between Shanks and Mihawk since I already have my own opinion around that and this is not the thread to do it on.

However I don't believe Mihawk is as strong as most people probably hype him to be and in an fight I think he would lose to Akainu but it would high diff.

so what makes you so sure that le mihawk only posesses swordman techniques...........just because you are a swordsman (like shanks) doesnt mean you dont have other skills.......i mean we have seen zoro use the same techniques he uses with a sword, without using a sword and they still had effect!!!!
we have even seen le mihawk use a knife ...so what's your point exactly?

 

[TheHokage]

so what makes you so sure that le mihawk only posesses swordman techniques...........just because you are a swordsman (like shanks) doesnt mean you dont have other skills.......i mean we have seen zoro use the same techniques he uses with a sword, without using a sword and they still had effect!!!!
we have even seen le mihawk use a knife ...so what's your point exactly?

It's still a blade in some way. The point is if Mihawk lost his sword or blades he wouldn't be able to fight at this mega hype level most people believe he's on. However we don't even know Shanks full abilities and people think he can only use a sword in battle. Shanks will most likely be like WB where he can fight like a boss with his weapons and his bare hands.

 

[The 1 who knows]

It's still a blade in some way. The point is if Mihawk lost his sword or blades he wouldn't be able to fight at this mega hype level most people believe he's on. However we don't even know Shanks full abilities and people think he can only use a sword in battle. Shanks will most likely be like WB where he can fight like a boss with his weapons and his bare hands.

so what stops mihawk from being like whitebeard where he can fight like a boss with his weapons and with his bare hands?

 

[TheHokage]

so what stops mihawk from being like whitebeard where he can fight like a boss with his weapons and with his bare hands?

Well the fact he is classed a pure Swordsmen which means without his sword he would be weaker while Shanks seems the type that could fight with his bare hands as well also it would make sense as well since it would Shanks ahead of Mihawk in overall strength.