Acknowledgement on the dangers of Gale Palm

[Jiren]

Taking the words a bit out of context. She doesn't have the speed to get in close or toy with enemy but she has the eyes to react to his attacks.


So if someone like Boruto has the speed but not the reflexes but Sarada has the reflexes but not the speed then it cancels out pretty nicely. She can easily keep up the swordsmen ninja from earlier because she has the sharingan.


You said so yourself that this ninja was of much higher rank so her not having the speed to combat this particular enemy doesn't correlate to Shizuma or the other genin swordsmen.

 

[lndra]

Taking the words a bit out of context. She doesn't have the speed to get in close or toy with enemy but she has the eyes to react to his attacks.

Having the speed to get in close with your opponent, means you should be more than capable of at least reacting to their movements.

Sarada's best feat there is dodging mid air after being channeled through Gale Palm at amazing speeds, but nothing portrays her actually being able of doing so without it.

So if someone like Boruto has the speed but not the reflexes but Sarada has the reflexes but not the speed then it cancels out pretty nicely. She can easily keep up the swordsmen ninja from earlier because she has the sharingan.

Boruto's flaw was that he didn't have eyes to see his enemies movements.

You said so yourself that this ninja was of much higher rank so her not having the speed to combat this particular enemy doesn't correlate to Shizuma or the other genin swordsmen.

Shizuma was a higher tier than Boruto's peers in the Mist Arc.

 

[lndra]

Sasuke was straight up able to dodge a straight line attack and chidori raikage.

I don't really understand your comparisons now.

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Sasuke was able to move last second with his analyzing capabilities via Dojutsu. Though Ao wasn't moving from afar, they were pretty close in their encounter as he had setup Chidori before.

Sarada did react to the opponent. she dodged him didnt she? that was her movement not gale palm(rotation).

Only while being thrusted with Gale Palm.

toy doesn't necesarily mean react. she obviously reacted to him so that can't be right. And I assume the speed was referring to boruto but last episode, boruto was too slow and was almost cut down so that also can't be right. Maybe the speed was referring specifically to gale palm, who knows?

Why wouldn't it? Toying with your opponent means you would be engaging combat with them, and she states that she wouldn't have the speed to do so. Unless I'm not understanding what "toy" means in this scenario?

Boruto's base speed isn't fast enough to fight that swordsman ninja either.

And I did mention she would be able to avoid the gale palm scenario shown in this episode. If three clones > 2 clone gale palm then she has no feats for that.

That's exactly why I said she has no feats for being capable of dodging Gale Palm.

Gale palm(or this episode gale palm) can't be used as foot speed because boruto has to make clones to be at the fastest speed. With just him, it would be slower than with 2 clones even.

Again but who said Gale Palm can't be used as

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Are we assuming he can't create more clones to launch him on ground?

 

[Uverdore9]

Sarada just said she cant be careless as in "go easy on her enemy", so the word toy put in there, people thought she had not the speed to compete with high tier opponents....God.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

I don't really understand your comparisons now.

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Sasuke was able to move last second with his analyzing capabilities via Dojutsu. Though Ao wasn't moving from afar, they were pretty close in their encounter as he had setup Chidori before.



Only while being thrusted with Gale Palm.


Why wouldn't it? Toying with your opponent means you would be engaging combat with them, and she states that she wouldn't have the speed to do so. Unless I'm not understanding what "toy" means in this scenario?

Boruto's base speed isn't fast enough to fight that swordsman ninja either.


That's exactly why I said she has no feats for being capable of dodging Gale Palm.


Again but who said Gale Palm can't be used as

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Are we assuming he can't create more clones to launch him on ground?

Sarada dodging under influence of gale palm is irrelevant. That's not how physics works( I know it's an anime). The gale palm increased her momentum in one linear direction. Straight towards the opponent. 0 angular momentum. Yet She dodged by rotating. So the change to her angular momentum was her own doing.

Lol. I sound like a physics teacher. Gale palm had no effect. If they had spun her then you'd have a point.

Anyways. I meant the gale palm speed of two clones and 3 clones can't be attributed to his foot speed. He cants go that fast.... Yet.

Not sure what you are getting at with the sasuke scenario. My point is he read someone who was clearly faster than him with sharingan and was able to react.

 

[To Whatever]

Sarada dodging under influence of gale palm is irrelevant. That's not how physics works( I know it's an anime). The gale palm increased her momentum in one linear direction. Straight towards the opponent. 0 angular momentum. Yet She dodged by rotating. So the change to her angular momentum was her own doing.

Lol. I sound like a physics teacher. Gale palm had no effect. If they had spun her then you'd have a point.

Anyways. I meant the gale palm speed of two clones and 3 clones can't be attributed to his foot speed. He cants go that fast.... Yet.

Not sure what you are getting at with the sasuke scenario. My point is he read someone who was clearly faster than him with sharingan and was able to react.

You made your point irrelevant by acknowledging that this is a anime and loosely based on real world physics.

She did dodge under the influence of gale palm the same way her father dodged an explosion in mid-air at point blank range.

 

[lndra]

Sarada dodging under influence of gale palm is irrelevant.

Sarada was being propelled at FAST speeds, which gave her the movement to move at his own.

The author of the storyboard literally made a point that Sarada couldn't toy with an opponent that moves like that, but with Gale Palm, they stood a chance. If Sarada was capable of dodging him like that regularly, they wouldn't need Gale Palm.

How is this not obvious?

Anyways. I meant the gale palm speed of two clones and 3 clones can't be attributed to his foot speed. He cants go that fast.... Yet.

We haven't seen Boruto use Gale Palm via footspeed with clones though, but it's surely not impossible. The only problem is that he can't turn mid flight. On the ground he's able to, but once he tries to jump from the ground, he's basically fodder food.

Not sure what you are getting at with the sasuke scenario. My point is he read someone who was clearly faster than him with sharingan and was able to react.

I was pointing out that Sasuke had coordinated an attack before they started going at it.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

You made your point irrelevant by acknowledging that this is a anime and loosely based on real world physics.

She did dodge under the influence of gale palm the same way her father dodged an explosion in mid-air at point blank range.

Sarada was being propelled at FAST speeds, which gave her the movement to move at his own.

The author of the storyboard literally made a point that Sarada couldn't toy with an opponent that moves like that, but with Gale Palm, they stood a chance. If Sarada was capable of dodging him like that regularly, they wouldn't need Gale Palm.

How is this not obvious?




We haven't seen Boruto use Gale Palm via footspeed with clones though, but it's surely not impossible. The only problem is that he can't turn mid flight. On the ground he's able to, but once he tries to jump from the ground, he's basically fodder food.


I was pointing out that Sasuke had coordinated an attack before they started going at it.

Not true. Even if she could dodge(which she can) she would not have the speed to attack the guy because he is fast enough to avoid her too she'd just be on the defensive throughout since he is faster which is where gale palm came in. She read him and avoided by herself using rotation. but the attack speed was all gale palm speed propelling her forward. I have explained my side clearly.

I know it's an anime but we can be reasonable at times with physics and we definitely can't be attributing something to something else when that doesn't make sense. but I give up here. You clearly won't be budged and I'm done.

 

[To Whatever]

Not true. Even if she could dodge(which she can) she would not have the speed to attack the guy because he is fast enough to avoid her too she'd just be on the defensive throughout since he is faster which is where gale palm came in. She read him and avoided by herself using rotation. but the attack speed was all gale palm speed propelling her forward. I have explained my side clearly.

I know it's an anime but we can be reasonable at times with physics and we definitely can't be attributing something to something else when that doesn't make sense. but I give up here. You clearly won't be budged and I'm done.

Be reasonable left the moment Sasuke did what he did against deidara.

 

[Michael]

Just watched the latest ep and judging from previous episodes, gale palm is indeed op. Boruto will be a monster in time.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Weak bait thread. :salt:

Sarada can copy that C Rank technique anytime she wants.

OT: Gale Palm can be deadly indeed if used efficiently.

But she still must learn how to use it

 

[lndra]

Not true. Even if she could dodge(which she can) she would not have the speed to attack the guy because he is fast enough to avoid her too she'd just be on the defensive throughout since he is faster which is where gale palm came in. She read him and avoided by herself using rotation. but the attack speed was all gale palm speed propelling her forward. I have explained my side clearly.

No she wouldn't lol. If your moving at incredibly fast speeds, that burst of air gives you the advantage.

With her Sharingan she's able to see attacks with precog. It was setup with that speed + Sharingan = Giving her the reaction time to move AHEAD of time. That was the whole point of Sarada standing in the side lines look at his movements, so she could formulate a plan.

I mean I don't understand how this isn't clear.

I know it's an anime but we can be reasonable at times with physics and we definitely can't be attributing something to something else when that doesn't make sense. but I give up here. You clearly won't be budged and I'm done.

Well its simply a logical point A to B thing. The argument was loose.

Sarada can't dodge Gale Palm with her Sharingan ATM. At 3T she probably would though.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Not true. Even if she could dodge(which she can) she would not have the speed to attack the guy because he is fast enough to avoid her too she'd just be on the defensive throughout since he is faster which is where gale palm came in. She read him and avoided by herself using rotation. but the attack speed was all gale palm speed propelling her forward. I have explained my side clearly.

I know it's an anime but we can be reasonable at times with physics and we definitely can't be attributing something to something else when that doesn't make sense. but I give up here. You clearly won't be budged and I'm done.

True her eyes and movement would also be slowed down by the incoming resistance force. Sort of like how a person pops their head out of the window of a car she'd also be compensating for that.

The only reason fake palm was even used was to allow her to get close enough to strike.

If we go by Sasuke vs Haku Sasuke was clearly slower than Haku yet was keeping up with him in base. When Haku used demonic ice mirrors he amped his speed many fold, the Sharingan gave Sasuke the clarity to see him even his hyper movements and just evade them. Evading from stationary only requires reflex speed. Sarada demonstrated reflect speed against the ninja. Couple those facts together dodging gale palm isn't actually difficult for the opponent.

And a quick add on genjutsu would confuse Boruto even more it's not really an issue for her to counter and deal with.

 

[lndra]

Just watched the latest ep and judging from previous episodes, gale palm is indeed op. Boruto will be a monster in time.

I think its probably the most hack technique introduced so far because they can keep increasing the speed with clones, or other people.

Why I think its ridiculous is due to the sheer movement and potential it has.

1. Most high tiers are surprised by it, but the person using it is still usually slower than them, still they always find a way to win.

2. If your fighting against someone who is around the same level of speed as you, they can't just dodge it normally.

3. Even if someone does dodge it, Boruto can create a setup where he launches from underground.

It's dank.

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Current Boruto can just hide underneath as a setup, and come out with a Rasengan. Boom.

 

[Uverdore9]

Sarada only said he cant toy with the enemy not keep up. There's a difference.

 

[lndra]

Sarada only said he cant toy with the enemy not keep up. There's a difference.

Toying in terms of fighting means you can't engage in combat casually.

Regardless them needing Gale Palm to take him down was the point of speed talk. If anyone on Team Konohamaru (in base) could have knocked his ass w/o some kind of boost, then they would have.

 

[Uverdore9]

Toying in terms of fighting means you can't engage in combat casually.

Regardless them needing Gale Palm to take him down was the point of speed talk. If anyone on Team Konohamaru (in base) could have knocked his ass w/o some kind of boost, then they would have.

What if she meant it in this way, "I'll get severely injured if I tackle him at base, so the injury-free way is using gale palm". What Madara did with Gokages is toying and Sarada could eliminate the enemy with high diff and not low diff, thats the meaning of the sentence, why take the long route when youve the short route?

 

[lndra]

What if she meant it in this way, "I'll get severely injured if I tackle him at base, so the injury-free way is using gale palm". What Madara did with Gokages is toying and Sarada could eliminate the enemy with high diff and not low diff, thats the meaning of the sentence, why take the long route when youve the short route?

I mean its really impossible to decipher what the meaning was in that context. We just know that they could not mess around with someone on his league cause he was better.

Though with Gale Palm and Sarada's Sharingan, they got the win.

 

[Jiren]

Having the speed to get in close with your opponent, means you should be more than capable of at least reacting to their movements.
Sarada's best feat there is dodging mid air after being channeled through Gale Palm at amazing speeds, but nothing portrays her actually being able of doing so without it.

Yes but she has the eyes to react to his attacks. When she says I dont have the speed to toy with an opponent means her speed is not enough to take this guy on but she can still react to his attacks. Unless the words were I dont have the speed to keep up with him then thats a different story.

Boruto's flaw was that he didn't have eyes to see his enemies movements.

Nonsense. Boruto also didn't have the speed or reflexes. For example did Minato need special eyes to outspeed or manuever his enemy? Its essientially the same, you dont need special eyes if you have the reflexes. Boruto needed Sarada to make up for something he lacked.

Shizuma was a higher tier than Boruto's peers in the Mist Arc.

Shizuma being of higher tier than Boruto's peers means what? it took Boruto, Mitsuki and Kagara to defeat him. Boruto didnt defeat Shizuma on his own and its the same with the ninja they fought together in this episode.

The ninja in this episode was stronger than swordsmen genin.

 

[lndra]

Yes but she has the eyes to react to his attacks. When she says I dont have the speed to toy with an opponent means her speed is not enough to take this guy on but she can still react to his attacks. Unless the words were I dont have the speed to keep up with him then thats a different story.

I disagree. When Boruto was referring to his disadvantage here,

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Sarada was in the background analyzing the opponent while Boruto and Mitsuki were engaging him in combat.

Afterwards they created the Gale Palm to launch her. When her speed's being boosted like that, it gives her a physical advantage. More so, when she's expecting her opponent to attack with her precog.

Nothing indicates that she could dodge him like that normally. So I'm not sure why people keep insinuating that. Both Boruto and Mitsuki were having a hard time even attacking him together, and yet people believe she can dodge his attacks easily?

Nonsense. Boruto also didn't have the speed or reflexes. For example did Minato need special eyes to outspeed or manuever his enemy? Its essientially the same, you dont need special eyes if you have the reflexes. Boruto needed Sarada to make up for something he lacked.

What, and why does that matter in bold? No one said that Boruto could. I only replied Boruto's analysis on his disadvantages which lead to their discussion about flaws/strengths = team work. That's exactly why I said:

"Boruto's flaw was that he didn't have eyes to see his enemies movements"

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to his words.

Shizuma being of higher tier than Boruto's peers means what? it took Boruto, Mitsuki and Kagara to defeat him. Boruto didnt defeat Shizuma on his own and its the same with the ninja they fought together in this episode.

The ninja in this episode was stronger than swordsmen genin.

I stated that the ninja being a higher league than Sarada, meant she couldn't combat him easily, and you said if that was the case, what about Shizuma? But that doesn't really make sense.

Because it took two almost graduating students, and one full fledged Genin (or was he higher?) to take him down. Just like in today's fight, where Team Konohamaru worked together to bring down that no-name.

Even with Gale Palm, Mitsuki had distracted him so Boruto could prep it. And he still got up afterwards.