[Debate] Abortion

[Howard]

it is a mothers obligation to harbor the baby until born. maybe the law doesnt say it, but the law isnt always in everybody's interest. laws used to oppress people, and make people do horrible things. it really isnt wise to put all your trust in any government, because you will be disappointed. but im going off topic. laws change, but basic human decency doesnt. you get pregnant, you better take care of that baby until its born. even if you didnt want it. killing it isnt going to erase what happened. let it be its own person somewhere else.

O_O are you the one holding the baby to term? Are you the one who has to raise the child? Are you the one who has to make the decision when the time comes? Are you the father of this child? I think each answer is No... Like I said before when you find yourself in the position if you ever do it'll be your choice to make and you can make it any which way.. O_O and the only reason I'm talking to you is cause everyone else seems to have someone their debating with and you don't xd

 

[Narubro]

i can, if a tapeworm attaches itself to you, its not a part of your body, its a parasite. simple as that

a baby on the other hand is fused to your body and is part of you until birth and the doctor cuts the umbilical cord

so since its fused to your body, which makes it an actual part of the MOTHERS body? i mean sure the umbilical chord is a part of your body, but, how does that make the baby a part of your body? just because it grew in your womb, doesnt make it a part of your body. im just a broken record though. thats gonna be my response to every abortion debate. call me an idiot, but i believe human life is its own from the moment of conception. no one can convince me otherwise, and repeating myself is like playing a broken record. i dont think anyway who debated with me is an idiot for thinking otherwise, but i thought i would just voice my opinion

 

[selkie707]

i can, if a tapeworm attaches itself to you, its not a part of your body, its a parasite. simple as that

a baby on the other hand is fused to your body and is part of you until birth and the doctor cuts the umbilical cord

AGAIN Xd the egg isn't attached untill a little bit after its fertilized ....

I get your point still and that guy is a moron...

 

[sG Taka]

Sir can I respond for him?

1. One of the most celebrated events of our history is someone dying for other's sins. When Jesus died on the cross. So seeing as how our society has treated this act then it seems its justifiable.

2. If he was the one who raped his mother then yes...or had anything to do with it.

3. He does, but if he raped her then I don't see him sticking around to claim the baby. Also most fathers try and not have the baby as most abortions happen when its on accident.

4. The baby doesn't have a choice because its intelligence level is not high enough to understand language, much less the question. Who knows it might grow up to be emo and hoping to die...

You didn't answer in his "Yes or No" fashion so don't even bother. Second, for the last time I DID ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS in the same manner as you did! I just didn't respond with a yes or no JUTS LIKE YOU DID.

Damn..are people so blind?

 

[Narubro]

O_O are you the one holding the baby to term? Are you the one who has to raise the child? Are you the one who has to make the decision when the time comes? Are you the father of this child? I think each answer is No... Like I said before when you find yourself in the position if you ever do it'll be your choice to make and you can make it any which way.. O_O and the only reason I'm talking to you is cause everyone else seems to have someone their debating with and you don't xd

bro im debating with swizzik and rikerslade, but thanks for caring lol

its my belief that all human life is individual and special. so, i believe abortion is wrong. and i believe in every situation abortion is wrong, simple as that. call it backwards religion or mental retardation as many people like to label people with different beliefs, but im sticking to my principles.

no ill-will. we all love naruto so i cant hate any of you haha

 

[Howard]

bro im debating with swizzik, but thanks for caring lol

its my belief that all human life is individual and special. so, i believe abortion is wrong. and i believe in every situation abortion is wrong, simple as that. call it backwards religion or mental retardation as many people like to label people with different beliefs, but im sticking to my principles.

no ill-will. we all love naruto so i cant hate any of you haha

I'm just trying to say... No matter the situation unless you're in it.. It's not your choice... Plain and simple...

 

[Ogracio]

I'm totally against it, that baby is a human being, it is like killing someone because he is a mutant, or you feel he does not belong in the world.

And responding to those "oooh pooor people that was raped etc", well I haven't known anyone that has been raped (that i know of) but still, if you were raped why dont you use the next day pill? as simple as that? if it doesnt work, do it before the baby is 3 months old (which has been proved to be alive).

 

[Piccolosan]

You didn't answer in his "Yes or No" fashion so don't even bother. Second, for the last time I DID ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS in the same manner as you did! I just didn't respond with a yes or no JUTS LIKE YOU DID.

Damn..are people so blind?

I just want a part of this argument, sorry to make you mad?

 

[Narubro]

I'm just trying to say... No matter the situation unless you're in it.. It's not your choice... Plain and simple...

i know its not my choice... im just giving my opinion

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

You're finally giving in buddy boy, oh and you never answered my key question. Maybe I should re-post it again just in case you missed it.

You ask if the baby -or fetus- should suffer for the man's sin, when, the question should be rephrased as the following:

Should the mum be forced to suffer for the actions of the rapist?

Ok im very confused nOw. You say you will not respond to me but not only did you respond but you also respond to a comment not towards you. You remind me of a girl i liked who said she didnt like me but would sing to me love songs and hold my hands while watching movies.

Anyways im glad you changed your mind nonetheless.

What am i giving into?

First off before i answer you lets make something clear. My question and your question are not the same. They are 2 very different questions. My question focuses on the baby and yours focuses on the mother. Now that we understand this i will first focus on my question

Should a baby suffer from another mans sin?

Lets be clear: The suffering the baby is going through is death. On a situation of rape or incest it is obvious that the man committed the crime. The woman is the victim. But what is the baby? It is the result of the crime. Is getting rid of the result made by the attacjer on the victim going to erase the attack having happened? Should the baby suffer death because of the man who attacke the woman? Please answer this first and i will give my arguement agaisnt it after.

Now unto your question.

Should the woman have to suffer for the sins of the man.(or actions of the rapist)

Of course we can agree that in an event of rape the woman is the victim. I hope we can agree that the baby is the result of the attack. Now focusing on the woman or victim can we please be clear on what exactly is she suffering from. Please just be clear and than i can properly answer this question which i promise i will cuz it is an important question.

 

[sG Taka]

I just want a part of this argument, sorry to make you mad?

Just clarifying things, I'm not mad.

 

[jayjoe]

If you think abortion is escape for a coward, you're an idiot, I suppose you think birth control is too?

Youre the idiot

 

[selkie707]

Word of advice: stick to your word. You said you wouldnt answer me and now here you are responding to me. I am very shock to see this. But if you were to respond why didnt you attempt to answery questions? Smh

I am not a hyprocrite i did not call you words or disrespect you. If you felt insulted than i humbly apoligize man.

I felt you were rude to end the debate so abrupt and not even bother to answer my questions and ignore them. I figured the questions were to complicated for you. I tried to simplify them but evidently its still not easy for you to answer but i am ok with that and dont harbor any ill will towards you.

If you plan on responding please answer thisat least

Is killing a baby for the sins of another man justified? Yes or no. Doesnt matter what scenario it is. This is as simple as i can make it for you

Hypothetically if i attacked your mom would killing you be justifiable? No matter what age your mom were whther 12, 20, 30 or 70. Women of all age get raped so forget the useless details.

Why doesnt the father have a choice?

Why doesnt the baby have a choice?

4 veey simple questions. If you respond please just simply take the time to answer. If you dont respond or answer i will understand, forgive you and move on with my life.

Um you keep contradicting yourself.....

It does matter on the cenario...

If your just having a abortion and your older and you keeping having a bunch is different than having an abortion when your young and the childbirth could have a serious effect on your life. Amongst younger females preadulthood, the chance of something going wrong is higher. Add that up with the mental stress along with peer stress and it can ruin your life.

When it boils down to it its simply not your choice, let the actual person decide for themselves

 

[Howard]

i know its not my choice... im just giving my opinion

But you're trying to tell other people it's wrong... Trying to make it your choice I mean stating you're opinion takes one post. You've been arguing/debating whatever you want to call it because you want people to come to your side and agree with you... .-. or am I wrong?

 

[sG Taka]

Ok im very confused nOw. You say you will not respond to me but not only did you respond but you also respond to a comment not towards you. You remind me of a girl i liked who said she didnt like me but would sing to me love songs and hold my hands while watching movies.

Anyways im glad you changed your mind nonetheless.

What am i giving into?

First off before i answer you lets make something clear. My question and your question are not the same. They are 2 very different questions. My question focuses on the baby and yours focuses on the mother. Now that we understand this i will first focus on my question

Should a baby suffer from another mans sin?

Lets be clear: The suffering the baby is going through is death. On a situation of rape or incest it is obvious that the man committed the crime. The woman is the victim. But what is the baby? It is the result of the crime. Is getting rid of the result made by the attacjer on the victim going to erase the attack having happened? Should the baby suffer death because of the man who attacke the woman? Please answer this first and i will give my arguement agaisnt it after.

Now unto your question.

Should the woman have to suffer for the sins of the man.(or actions of the rapist)

Of course we can agree that in an event of rape the woman is the victim. I hope we can agree that the baby is the result of the attack. Now focusing on the woman or victim can we please be clear on what exactly is she suffering from. Please just be clear and than i can properly answer this question which i promise i will cuz it is an important question.

Briefly: She suffers from everything. From Health-to-Education. If she's young, she will probably die and the baby will probably not make it out alive. Plus, the baby is most likely to come out with life threatening conditions that will kill it once its born and if the mother lives, affect her afterwards.

 

[jayjoe]

this explains it. No need to debate. ​

agree

 

[Swizzik]

bro im debating with swizzik and rikerslade, but thanks for caring lol

its my belief that all human life is individual and special. so, i believe abortion is wrong. and i believe in every situation abortion is wrong, simple as that. call it backwards religion or mental retardation as many people like to label people with different beliefs, but im sticking to my principles.

no ill-will. we all love naruto so i cant hate any of you haha

This is just wanted to hear you say. You believe what you want to believe and I believe what you want to believe. If I want an abortion I should be allowed to have one if I don't I won't have one. No point making it illegal.

 

[Piccolosan]

Briefly: She suffers from everything. From Health-to-Education. If she's young, she will probably die and the baby will probably not make it out alive. Plus, the baby is most likely to come out with life threatening conditions that will kill it once its born and if the mother lives, affect her afterwards.

Just to ask though, who are you to infer what will happen? When my mom was pregnant with me the doctor told her to abort me because she will die and I will, but my mom didn't and both me and my mom are healthy people...why do you always say a bad what if?

 

[Narubro]

But you're trying to tell other people it's wrong... Trying to make it your choice I mean stating you're opinion takes one post. You've been arguing/debating whatever you want to call it because you want people to come to your side and agree with you... .-. or am I wrong?

im telling other people its wrong, your right. i know its not my choice. im just giving my opinion. im not trying to take over anyones choice. i am giving my opinion as to why i think abortion is wrong. i might be influencing someones choice by saying it is wrong, but i dont think the person would listen to me anyways

 

[Narubro]

This is just wanted to hear you say. You believe what you want to believe and I believe what you want to believe. If I want an abortion I should be allowed to have one if I don't I won't have one. No point making it illegal.

exactly... my belief. im answering the question as to why I (me myself I) think abortion is wrong.