Abortion: Pro-life or Pro Choice.

[Renegade87]

ok this is for Natsu Dragonil and HiddenShadowNinja.

Natsu, you say a 13 year old girl should be "forced" to have her baby, because it isnt fair to the kid and it never choose to be born.
i somewhat agree with you on that, it is not the baby's fault, but this is the same for the girl, getting raped wasnt her choice, so the argument dropped by several people of "if you have *** you should deal with the consequences" is a bit short sighted if ya ask me.
where you think only of the baby' i think on the girl 1st and the baby after.
9 months of pregnancy might not be much compared to a full life, but pregnancy isnt something to be taking lightly, woman go through hell while they are pregnant, b4 this kid is even born the mother will already feel a close connection to her child, and to then give birth wich will most likely cause permanent damage to the girl, if not phisicly then mentally.
because she would be to young to take care of her child, you say it should be but up for adoption, again this is taken to lightly if ya ask me.
adoption isnt something you just do, exspecially for a mother who already has a close connection to her kid, giving it up for adoption would again leave her with a trauma for life.

and HiddenShadowNinja.

no i dont hink if a woman decides she doesnt want the baby after it's been born a year she should be able to kill it, this is just not the same thing.
abborting a fuetus 2 moths old, would probably not even realise it was being aborted, since it doesnt have the sences to detect it.
a one year old kid does, so those are just 2 different things.

again abortion should be a last option, but it shouldnt be outlawed, leaving a 13 year old kid have one for herself is just cold hearted to me, probably the same thing you 2 thinking when i say aborting that very child would be the better option

Natsu i just wanna thank you for this debate so far, i can tell your a religous person and you are the first one i ever met whom i can have a decent conversation with about a subject as taboo as abortion, without him or her going a-wire, probz for you

 

[Faceless]

ok this is for Natsu Dragonil and HiddenShadowNinja.

Natsu, you say a 13 year old girl should be "forced" to have her baby, because it isnt fair to the kid and it never choose to be born.
i somewhat agree with you on that, it is not the baby's fault, but this is the same for the girl, getting raped wasnt her choice, so the argument dropped by several people of "if you have *** you should deal with the consequences" is a bit short sighted if ya ask me.
where you think only of the baby' i think on the girl 1st and the baby after.
9 months of pregnancy might not be much compared to a full life, but pregnancy isnt something to be taking lightly, woman go through hell while they are pregnant, b4 this kid is even born the mother will already feel a close connection to her child, and to then give birth wich will most likely cause permanent damage to the girl, if not phisicly then mentally.
because she would be to young to take care of her child, you say it should be but up for adoption, again this is taken to lightly if ya ask me.
adoption isnt something you just do, exspecially for a mother who already has a close connection to her kid, giving it up for adoption would again leave her with a trauma for life.

and HiddenShadowNinja.

no i dont hink if a woman decides she doesnt want the baby after it's been born a year she should be able to kill it, this is just not the same thing.
abborting a fuetus 2 moths old, would probably not even realise it was being aborted, since it doesnt have the sences to detect it.
a one year old kid does, so those ar e just 2 different things.

again abortion should be a last option, but it shouldnt be outlawed, leaving a 13 year old kid have one for herself is just cold hearted to me, probably the same thing you 2 thinking when i say aborting that very child would be the better option

Natsu i just wanna thank you for this debate so far, i can tell your a religous person and you are the first one i ever met whom i can have a decent conversation with about a subject as taboo as abortion, without him or her going a-wire, probz for you

First of all, you're welcome Renegade. And no problem, I usually keep a calm mind when it comes to serious debates such as this.

And you have a point there. Should there be a high risk that the mother would die (her being a thirteen year old) and of course we can't force her to not abort the baby if that's what she truly wants, then who am I to force her not to? I'm just saying that should a person have the capability to choose between aborting and not aborting, I just really wish that they choose not to. But everyone has a will of their own, and I can't do nothing about that =/

 

[Renegade87]

First of all, you're welcome Renegade. And no problem, I usually keep a calm mind when it comes to serious debates such as this.

And you have a point there. Should there be a high risk that the mother would die (her being a thirteen year old) and of course we can't force her to not abort the baby if that's what she truly wants, then who am I to force her not to? I'm just saying that should a person have the capability to choose between aborting and not aborting, I just really wish that they choose not to. But everyone has a will of their own, and I can't do nothing about that =/

glad to see you dont think 13 year olds should be forced to have their baby.
and if addoption is an option off course it should be reconsidered, i just believe woman should have the final say, and if they decide it would cause to much pain and suffer for the both of them, abortion should be an option and not outlawed by default.

say Natsu, would you care to discuz about releigion over pm, since the other thread is bound to be closed sooner then later?
let me know.

ps. my net trippin at the moment so it might take a while for me to reply

 

[Faceless]

glad to see you dont think 13 year olds should be forced to have their baby.
and if addoption is an option off course it should be reconsidered, i just believe woman should have the final say, and if they decide it would cause to much pain and suffer for the both of them, abortion should be an option and not outlawed by default.

say Natsu, would you care to discuz about releigion over pm, since the other thread is bound to be closed sooner then later?
let me know.

ps. my net trippin at the moment so it might take a while for me to reply

Why not? But probably not right now. I have some errands to do first.
I'll just PM you when I'm ready, alright?

 

[Renegade87]

Why not? But probably not right now. I have some errands to do first.
I'll just PM you when I'm ready, alright?

no prob, i gotta go just now 2.
i'll hear from you whenever you ready,
peace.

 

[Buu]

unrealz

I don't understand, how can a baby have any perspective? We're talking about the fetus here, the unborn baby in the mother's belly. Now I know A chicken isn't a fetus, but we kill chickens everyday. My point is, those chickens have more perspective on life than a fetus does, and unlike the chicken's life, the parents have the choice, and that's a virtue the parents/mother should be able to have.

 

[Faceless]

unrealz

I don't understand, how can a baby have any perspective? We're talking about the fetus here, the unborn baby in the mother's belly. Now I know A chicken isn't a fetus, but we kill chickens everyday. My point is, those chickens have more perspective on life than a fetus does.

Well I just said the word "perspective" to prove a point. But the baby (fetus, or whatever you want to call it) should still have the right to live, even though it doesn't know what's going on.

 

[MentalJerk]

TBH, both options have negative outcomes, and especially if the couple aren't married

*** is like a game to most people, and they don't realize the responsibility of having a child, they just wanna hook each other and be satisified =\

Having a baby is a responsibility, and it's bested for married couples, because most unmarried couples do it for fun and they never realize the outcome of it =\ therefore Aportion is there to clean our mistakes, and our mistakes cause lives, and lives are not easy to deal with.

The things that are bested in these cases for couples are:

1- they must be married
2- they must have what it takes to raise their child and have the equipment to provide the child's needs and wants
3- they must be RESPONSABLE for having *** and raising the baby


In my Religion and I'm damn proud of following it, says that un-married should not have ***, and the reasons are obvious as you people see. Also, no one has the right to take anyone's life! And I say that Aportion is the same as killing.

so either you have *** to have a baby or don't have it, because ***'s main goal is not satisfaction IMO

 

[Faceless]

TBH, both options have negative outcomes, and especially if the couple aren't married

*** is like a game to most people, and they don't realize the responsibility of having a child, they just wanna hook each other and be satisified =\

Having a baby is a responsibility, and it's bested for married couples, because most unmarried couples do it for fun and they never realize the outcome of it =\ therefore Aportion is there to clean our mistakes, and our mistakes cause lives, and lives are not easy to deal with.

The things that are bested in these cases for couples are:

1- they must be married
2- they must have what it takes to raise their child and have the equipment to provide the child's needs and wants
3- they must be RESPONSABLE for having *** and raising the baby


In my Religion and I'm damn proud of following it, says that un-married should not have ***, and the reasons are obvious as you people see. Also, no one has the right to take anyone's life! And I say that Aportion is the same as killing.

so either you have *** to have a baby or don't have it, because ***'s main goal is not satisfaction IMO

I totally agree with what your saying.
What the best way of having protected ***?
DON'T HAVE *** AT ALL =/
(Until you get married, that is)

 

[Renegade87]

TBH, both options have negative outcomes, and especially if the couple aren't married

*** is like a game to most people, and they don't realize the responsibility of having a child, they just wanna hook each other and be satisified =\

Having a baby is a responsibility, and it's bested for married couples, because most unmarried couples do it for fun and they never realize the outcome of it =\ therefore Aportion is there to clean our mistakes, and our mistakes cause lives, and lives are not easy to deal with.

The things that are bested in these cases for couples are:

1- they must be married
2- they must have what it takes to raise their child and have the equipment to provide the child's needs and wants
3- they must be RESPONSABLE for having *** and raising the baby


In my Religion and I'm damn proud of following it, says that un-married should not have ***, and the reasons are obvious as you people see. Also, no one has the right to take anyone's life! And I say that Aportion is the same as killing.

so either you have *** to have a baby or don't have it, because ***'s main goal is not satisfaction IMO

ok but let me ask you a question, you dont go out and by a car b4 you driven it right?
same thing with marriage, if you dont know if you and your partner are sexualy compatible then your in for a pickle when you find out on your honeymoon the *** you have waited so long for isnt what you thought it would be.
further more, people who've only had one *** partner are bound to wonder later on in life if they missed out on any, giving them a higher chance of cheating and getting a divorce because they just arent happy anymore.
*** isnt the most important thing in a relationship, if you have a helathy sexual relation with you partner.
if you dont, it becomes the most important thing in a relationship, often leading to fights devorce, broken homes etc.
*** isnt something to be taken lightly and you should take precousions when you dont want to get pregnant, but why forbid one of the most beautifull things in the world, just because you believe it's wrong?

and *** might be the way to get kids but if you only do it for that, you will have a pretty empty live, i can guarantee you that.
even more so, casual *** can be a great stress reliever, i had a casual sexual relationship wth a girl for about a year, and whenever i was stressed, had a bad day or whatever, 90 minutes of *** would cheer me right up

 

[Faceless]

ok but let me ask you a question, you dont go out and by a car b4 you driven it right?
same thing with marriage, if you dont know if you and your partner are sexualy compatible then your in for a pickle when you find out on your honeymoon the *** you have waited so long for isnt what you thought it would be.
further more, people who've only had one *** partner are bound to wonder later on in life if they missed out on any, giving them a higher chance of cheating and getting a divorce because they just arent happy anymore.
*** isnt the most important thing in a relationship, if you have a helathy sexual relation with you partner.
if you dont, it becomes the most important thing in a relationship, often leading to fights devorce, broken homes etc.
*** isnt something to be taken lightly and you should take precousions when you dont want to get pregnant, but why forbid one of the most beautifull things in the world, just because you believe it's wrong?

and *** might be the way to get kids but if you only do it for that, you will have a pretty empty live, i can guarantee you that.
even more so, casual *** can be a great stress reliever, i had a casual sexual relationship wth a girl for about a year, and whenever i was stressed, had a bad day or whatever, 90 minutes of *** would cheer me right up

What you're talking about is trial marriage, and well most religious people don't approve of it . Well in any case I rather marry a person that had no sexual relationship with any other person because, heck, I'm a rather jealous person haha. After I get married, I have all the *** non-stop haha. At least I know I'll be spending my life with the person I truly love.

 

[MentalJerk]

ok but let me ask you a question, you dont go out and by a car b4 you driven it right?
same thing with marriage, if you dont know if you and your partner are sexualy compatible then your in for a pickle when you find out on your honeymoon the *** you have waited so long for isnt what you thought it would be.
further more, people who've only had one *** partner are bound to wonder later on in life if they missed out on any, giving them a higher chance of cheating and getting a divorce because they just arent happy anymore.
*** isnt the most important thing in a relationship, if you have a helathy sexual relation with you partner.
if you dont, it becomes the most important thing in a relationship, often leading to fights devorce, broken homes etc.
*** isnt something to be taken lightly and you should take precousions when you dont want to get pregnant, but why forbid one of the most beautifull things in the world, just because you believe it's wrong?

and *** might be the way to get kids but if you only do it for that, you will have a pretty empty live, i can guarantee you that.
even more so, casual *** can be a great stress reliever, i had a casual sexual relationship wth a girl for about a year, and whenever i was stressed, had a bad day or whatever, 90 minutes of *** would cheer me right up

FYI, I just added opinions, not making people do them, it's the same as becoming bossy =\ and I didn't say that *** for fun should be stopped because it's not confirmed in my religion and I can't reject this idea, what I said was that satisfaction isn't the main point of having ***

 

[Renegade87]

What you're talking about is trial marriage, and well most religious people don't approve of it . Well in any case I rather marry a person that had no sexual relationship with any other person because, heck, I'm a rather jealous person haha. After I get married, I have all the *** non-stop haha. At least I know I'll be spending my life with the person I truly love.

I wasn't really talking about trial marriage, just marriage where both partners havent had *** yet.
Further more, a relationship were there hasn't been any *** yet, just can't be as close as one where there already was.
I agree you can go allong way with good deep conversations about life, but you just haven't loved a person as much as possible if you didnt have *** yet.
The feeling you get when you make TRUE love with your partner cant be accieved with anything else but *** and relationships just dont go to the next level if their hasn't been *** yet.
That's why i said no *** before marriage can be a tricky thing and can lead to complications later on in life.

But i do want to say i respect you both for choosing not to have ***.
Don't know how old the 2 of you are, but by the time I was 16 I just had to have *** no matter what, i didnt care if i loved the girl or not i just hade to have it It was like food or drink, i just couldn't go without it anymore
Luckily i got through with the girl i liked and we ended up having a good relationship for about a year and a half.

FYI, I just added opinions, not making people do them, it's the same as becoming bossy =\ and I didn't say that *** for fun should be stopped because it's not confirmed in my religion and I can't reject this idea, what I said was that satisfaction isn't the main point of having ***

The reason i said "force people" was because you said this,
"so either you have *** to have a baby or don't have it, because ***'s main goal is not satisfaction IMO"

It sounded to me like you would prefer it did.
If not and this is just your oppinion then ma bad, didn't mean to put words in you mouth.

 

[HiddenShadowNinja]

ok this is for Natsu Dragonil and HiddenShadowNinja.

Natsu, you say a 13 year old girl should be "forced" to have her baby, because it isnt fair to the kid and it never choose to be born.
i somewhat agree with you on that, it is not the baby's fault, but this is the same for the girl, getting raped wasnt her choice, so the argument dropped by several people of "if you have *** you should deal with the consequences" is a bit short sighted if ya ask me.
where you think only of the baby' i think on the girl 1st and the baby after.
9 months of pregnancy might not be much compared to a full life, but pregnancy isnt something to be taking lightly, woman go through hell while they are pregnant, b4 this kid is even born the mother will already feel a close connection to her child, and to then give birth wich will most likely cause permanent damage to the girl, if not phisicly then mentally.
because she would be to young to take care of her child, you say it should be but up for adoption, again this is taken to lightly if ya ask me.
adoption isnt something you just do, exspecially for a mother who already has a close connection to her kid, giving it up for adoption would again leave her with a trauma for life.

and HiddenShadowNinja.

no i dont hink if a woman decides she doesnt want the baby after it's been born a year she should be able to kill it, this is just not the same thing.
abborting a fuetus 2 moths old, would probably not even realise it was being aborted, since it doesnt have the sences to detect it.
a one year old kid does, so those are just 2 different things.

again abortion should be a last option, but it shouldnt be outlawed, leaving a 13 year old kid have one for herself is just cold hearted to me, probably the same thing you 2 thinking when i say aborting that very child would be the better option

Natsu i just wanna thank you for this debate so far, i can tell your a religous person and you are the first one i ever met whom i can have a decent conversation with about a subject as taboo as abortion, without him or her going a-wire, probz for you

How isn't it the same thing? Yea, the baby may not be able to realize it, but it's still a person. It has a chance at life, like all of us do, and therefore should be treated like a person.

And to your "You don't buy a car b4 you've driven it" theory. I don't get way of thinking at all. *** isn't the main point of being married. Love is. You can love someone and never have ***. If you have to have *** with someone to decide if you want to marry them or not, then its not really love and that's probably not the person you should marry.

The main point of marriage is Love, and a commitment to be with that person the rest of your life.

The main point of *** is to have a family and raise children together.

If you don't want children, you shouldn't have ***.

I'm sorry if thats not what people want to hear, but it's true. *** is making Life, not making Love.

And as for the 13 year old girl getting raped, yea, that's a horrible thing. But even so, that girl is then responsible for two lives, not just hers. It sucks,and it's not fair, but shes still responsible for that life.

And in the case of birthing complications and only one can live that's a totally different story and that should be a decision for the mother to make. If only one can live, I would say that's up to God to decide which one, but I know its not that simple.

 

[Renegade87]

How isn't it the same thing? Yea, the baby may not be able to realize it, but it's still a person. It has a chance at life, like all of us do, and therefore should be treated like a person.

And to your "You don't buy a car b4 you've driven it" theory. I don't get way of thinking at all. *** isn't the main point of being married. Love is. You can love someone and never have ***. If you have to have *** with someone to decide if you want to marry them or not, then its not really love and that's probably not the person you should marry.

The main point of marriage is Love, and a commitment to be with that person the rest of your life.

The main point of *** is to have a family and raise children together.

If you don't want children, you shouldn't have ***.

I'm sorry if thats not what people want to hear, but it's true. *** is making Life, not making Love.

And as for the 13 year old girl getting raped, yea, that's a horrible thing. But even so, that girl is then responsible for two lives, not just hers. It sucks,and it's not fair, but shes still responsible for that life.

And in the case of birthing complications and only one can live that's a totally different story and that should be a decision for the mother to make. If only one can live, I would say that's up to God to decide which one, but I know its not that simple.

Ok one last time, a fetus of 2 months old does not have the abbility to sence whats going on around him. leave alone getting aborted.
Allthough your right in saying it is still life i just dont think we should outlaw abortion all together. one life ended and one life to continue with a better future is better then 2 unhappy lives.

The dont buy a car b4 you driven it theory, I say that from "experiance"
Like i said in my post above yours.
Relationships just dont go to the next level if there isnt any *** involved.
When you truely make love to someone, there is a sence of tranquility, understanding one another , being "one" and unconditional love that just doesnt come from anything else but ***.
So you damn straight i wanna have *** b4 i marry someone to see if we are truely compatible.
Not just for the *** no, but to see if the relationship still holds after you had it and more importantly, to further strengthen the bond as much as possible, b4 making a life long commitment to one another.
This is something that is true and not "*** is for making baby's and not love"
That's NOT true, it is just your opinion.

And how the hell can you hold a raped 13 year old girl responsible for her baby?
are you out of your mind??
This girl would just have been raped, leaving her with major mental issues. And you want to tell me someone in that state of mind should be hold responisible for a unborn baby that you seem to care about so much?
dude seriously, how can you be so cold hearted?

 

[HiddenShadowNinja]

Yea, she'd be mentally messed up, and likely not perfect to raise a baby, but thats why she could give it up for adoption after it's born. Until it's born, she's responsible for keeping it alive. I didn't mean she should have to keep it, but it's still a life, it has potential, and did nothing wrong to die because of. Don't punish the baby for the rapists actions. Yea it may remind her of the rape, and yea, she may end up hating the baby because of it, but again, thats why you give it up for adoption.

I'm not being cold-harted, if anything, I'm being the opposite.

She'll have to mentally deal with being raped her whole life no matter what, but don't punish the child for it.

 

[Renegade87]

Yea, she'd be mentally messed up, and likely not perfect to raise a baby, but thats why she could give it up for adoption after it's born. Until it's born, she's responsible for keeping it alive. I didn't mean she should have to keep it, but it's still a life, it has potential, and did nothing wrong to die because of. Don't punish the baby for the rapists actions. Yea it may remind her of the rape, and yea, she may end up hating the baby because of it, but again, thats why you give it up for adoption.

I'm not being cold-harted, if anything, I'm being the opposite.

She'll have to mentally deal with being raped her whole life no matter what, but don't punish the child for it.

No but it's ok to punish the girl even more after she already went through the most horrible thing a 13 year old can experiance.
All im trying to say is that something as an abortion isn't a simple black and white subject.
There or so many factures that come into play, that you just cant say:
no abortions at all or yes abortions should be allowed whenever the mother feels like it.
It is just not that simple.

 

[Rei]

Hm, I read all of your posts so be prepared for a wall of text now

First of all, i am pro-Choice and i stated that already, my opinion stays the same.
To what i am totally opposed is abortions being illegal, i believe its a shame for any country that forbids it cause women will still do it and abortions being illegal, will only force them to do it under horrible conditions by inexperienced doctors or not doctors at all.
So i believe that the worst crime is this one. Having not the option to chose.

Second, what i don't like also is how *** becomes a problem and how a woman's body becomes a material only to give births. I just hate it when you say that we should have *** only after marriage, cause that means that we are not enjoying our lives and that we think of *** as something "dirty that can cause problems". It is just insane to still believe that *** must be limited to married couples cause then you just don't realize the act of love that *** is. You only say "pleasure" and you feel disgusted by it, without realizing that we have bodies to live through them and to enjoy them. Otherwise we would just be like bees, and have babies with flowers. I am not even going to argue this anymore, this opinion for me it's just...not mature enough. It's childish. I mean no offence to anyone and i am sorry if i insult any of you with what i say, but for me...its just sad that bodies are seen only as fertility materials. Like i said before, if we werent supposed to have pleasure through our bodies, we'd just be bees.

Third, i also agree that we must be responsible. A pregnancy has never happened to me throughout my whole sexual life and that is cause i have always been cautious. But yes, accidents happen (i am not gonna even discuss what you say about raping and that the girl should keep the child, cause you guys dont even know what it is to carry on you for 9 months a baby that you hate cause it comes out of a rape, and let it live through you). Then what do we do? Then we think above all. Do you want the child? Can you raise it properly? etc
Adoption? Yes it might be an option for some countries, but not for all. I have been volunteering in some orphanages and i know first hand the hell some babies have to go trough if they don't get adopted. and don't forget the major thing: PEOPLE ADOPT BABIES, NOT CHILDREN. meaning that if a child doesnt get adopted as a baby, he/she will stay in an orphanage under horrible conditions until he/she turns 18.
You say "adoption" and you think that is solving the problem. But for 9 months that baby is gonna be inside a belly of a woman that doesnt want to be pregnant, and shes gonna be hating every minute of it. Not to mention, that not everyone of us lives in an open minded society, ok?

Lastly, you say that babies are lives, and i agree. They are lives. But they are lives that live through other lives. A baby can't survive outside of a woman's body and a woman's body was "built" to carry babies. So what does that mean? That a baby's life is depending on another life. Just from the beginning of it. and what does that mean? That we have the option to decide if we will let another life live through ours.
And that's just about all i had to say about this.

 

[Renegade87]

Hm, I read all of your posts so be prepared for a wall of text now

First of all, i am pro-Choice and i stated that already, my opinion stays the same.
To what i am totally opposed is abortions being illegal, i believe its a shame for any country that forbids it cause women will still do it and abortions being illegal, will only force them to do it under horrible conditions by inexperienced doctors or not doctors at all.
So i believe that the worst crime is this one. Having not the option to chose.

Second, what i don't like also is how *** becomes a problem and how a woman's body becomes a material only to give births. I just hate it when you say that we should have *** only after marriage, cause that means that we are not enjoying our lives and that we think of *** as something "dirty that can cause problems". It is just insane to still believe that *** must be limited to married couples cause then you just don't realize the act of love that *** is. You only say "pleasure" and you feel disgusted by it, without realizing that we have bodies to live through them and to enjoy them. Otherwise we would just be like bees, and have babies with flowers. I am not even going to argue this anymore, this opinion for me it's just...not mature enough. It's childish. I mean no offence to anyone and i am sorry if i insult any of you with what i say, but for me...its just sad that bodies are seen only as fertility materials. Like i said before, if we werent supposed to have pleasure through our bodies, we'd just be bees.

Third, i also agree that we must be responsible. A pregnancy has never happened to me throughout my whole sexual life and that is cause i have always been cautious. But yes, accidents happen (i am not gonna even discuss what you say about raping and that the girl should keep the child, cause you guys dont even know what it is to carry on you for 9 months a baby that you hate cause it comes out of a rape, and let it live through you). Then what do we do? Then we think above all. Do you want the child? Can you raise it properly? etc
Adoption? Yes it might be an option for some countries, but not for all. I have been volunteering in some orphanages and i know first hand the hell some babies have to go trough if they don't get adopted. and don't forget the major thing: PEOPLE ADOPT BABIES, NOT CHILDREN. meaning that if a child doesnt get adopted as a baby, he/she will stay in an orphanage under horrible conditions until he/she turns 18.
You say "adoption" and you think that is solving the problem. But for 9 months that baby is gonna be inside a belly of a woman that doesnt want to be pregnant, and shes gonna be hating every minute of it. Not to mention, that not everyone of us lives in an open minded society, ok?

Lastly, you say that babies are lives, and i agree. They are lives. But they are lives that live through other lives. A baby can't survive outside of a woman's body and a woman's body was "built" to carry babies. So what does that mean? That a baby's life is depending on another life. Just from the beginning of it. and what does that mean? That we have the option to decide if we will let another life live through ours.
And that's just about all i had to say about this.

Agree on everything you just said , couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[-sHawTy-]

Pro Life

anything that's beating and has a life should be given a chance to live.

unwanted pregnancy? then dont **** around.

coz once you get laid, you already know the consequence of that chance of getting pregnant.

so if you dont want kids, then take necessary precautions.

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gettin pregnant coz u got raped? have others to take care it for you. ie. foster care