Abortion: Pro-life or Pro Choice.
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Renegade87
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nice topic!
and im pro choise.
there can be numerous of situations where an abortion would be the better choice.
incest for example, if a 13 year old girl gets pregnant by her father, shouldn't even be mandatory instead of an option??
rape, if a woman gets pregnant by rape?
and all she wants to do is forget that ever happend, should we enforce her to go keep the baby??
both points are saddistic to me and it boggles my mind that there are still people out there who agree with them.
and im pro choise.
there can be numerous of situations where an abortion would be the better choice.
incest for example, if a 13 year old girl gets pregnant by her father, shouldn't even be mandatory instead of an option??
rape, if a woman gets pregnant by rape?
and all she wants to do is forget that ever happend, should we enforce her to go keep the baby??
both points are saddistic to me and it boggles my mind that there are still people out there who agree with them.
So your saying that we shouldn't bother letting them live, since there going to commit suicide anyways? Might as well not bother with life since we are going to die, right? We can't judge a person's life and you don't know for sure how they would live their life. A poor woman found out that she was pregnant, but she and her husband didn't have the money to support the child just yet, so they decided to go with abortion. However the mother came to her senses and decided to keep the child. You may know this child as Abraham Lincoln, The 16th President of the United States. We don't know what the future holds for the baby, so I still think that we should at least give them a chance.
It's called consequences of your actions. I believe that *** is more than a sport that we play and do just for fun, I believe its more important than that, and that's for starting a family. That's why I don't really support premarital-*** =/
This thread is not about winning or losing. I just want everyone's opinion. That's why I didn't bother putting a poll.
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1. I understand what you mean, but shouldn't the baby have the same right as well?
2. Well we weren't supposed to have the decision at all. Abortion was made by man, not God.
3. I want to believe it too. No death, no murder, sounds like something I would want to believe.
4. Like I said in the previous post, we don't know what the future holds. How are we so sure that the kid is going to have a bad life?
5. Define accidents?
Ah yes and the "rape" topic finally appears. Of course some people would say that a woman should be given the right to abort a baby if she was raped. But just think for a moment, just for one moment, was the baby in any fault? The baby is as much as a victim as the woman, the way I see things. And if the woman can't stand to raise her up, like I said before, give the baby to adoption. A lot of people would be so happy to take care of a baby.
Read my previous post, think of the baby as well. Did it want this things to happen? Did it want to be a product of incest or rape? Look at the baby's perspective and think for a while.
HiddenShadowNinja
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I'm definitly Pro-Life.
It doesnt matter what the conditions, a life is a life. Abortion is no different than murder. You pro-choice people say that its better to have an abortion if you can't take proper care of the baby or if it was a teen pregnancy, etc. So does that mean if someone went through with the pregnancy, but then a year or so later they decided they couldnt take care of the baby and kill it, it'd be fine? It's the same thing, it's a living creature, no matter how long it's been alive.
From the point it starts to grow, it's a living creature.
Even in the case of rape, you don't have to keep the baby. But you don't have to kill it either. You can put it up for adoption.
And for the teen pregnancy issue, that's what adoption is for. Yea, you don't know if anyone will take the baby in, but at least there's a chance. And if you didn't want to get pregnant, you shouldn't of had *** in the first place.
You know the risks when you have ***, no matter how much "protection" you use. If you choose to take those risks, you should have to deal with the consequenses.
Sorry, but there's a reason *** should be saved for after marriaged. If you aren't ready to have a baby, don't have ***. You play, you pay.
And the "Do you think abortion will stop just because it's illegal? Its better to have it legal and safe than illegal and dangerous" isn't a good arguement at all. That's like saying "Oh well, even though it's illegal people will still commit murder, so just make it legal and let em"
Yea, people will always break the law, but alot less people will do things if they are illegal, and that'll save many LIVES
It doesnt matter what the conditions, a life is a life. Abortion is no different than murder. You pro-choice people say that its better to have an abortion if you can't take proper care of the baby or if it was a teen pregnancy, etc. So does that mean if someone went through with the pregnancy, but then a year or so later they decided they couldnt take care of the baby and kill it, it'd be fine? It's the same thing, it's a living creature, no matter how long it's been alive.
From the point it starts to grow, it's a living creature.
Even in the case of rape, you don't have to keep the baby. But you don't have to kill it either. You can put it up for adoption.
And for the teen pregnancy issue, that's what adoption is for. Yea, you don't know if anyone will take the baby in, but at least there's a chance. And if you didn't want to get pregnant, you shouldn't of had *** in the first place.
You know the risks when you have ***, no matter how much "protection" you use. If you choose to take those risks, you should have to deal with the consequenses.
Sorry, but there's a reason *** should be saved for after marriaged. If you aren't ready to have a baby, don't have ***. You play, you pay.
And the "Do you think abortion will stop just because it's illegal? Its better to have it legal and safe than illegal and dangerous" isn't a good arguement at all. That's like saying "Oh well, even though it's illegal people will still commit murder, so just make it legal and let em"
Yea, people will always break the law, but alot less people will do things if they are illegal, and that'll save many LIVES
Renegade87
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you make some good points i give you that, but do you truly think that 13 year old girl should go through a 9 month pregnancy and give birth to a baby??
any idea on how much further this girl would be traumatised, next to the big one of her father raping her?
i do think on the baby but i'm sorry,
the life of someone already "linving" has more rights then a unborn baby.
just becuz it doesnt neccesarley have to have a bad life doesnt mean most of them wont.
with incest there also comes a high risk of disabilities, deceases and so on.
so wouldnt it be better if a baby would be spared from a life of agony?
i think abortion should be a last option but if the pregnancy and delivery will cause to much stress to the woman, abortion should be an option, it's better to end one life then to have 2 lives full of pain and poverty.
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So then anyone with disabilities, diseases, or just a bad life in general should commit suicide or be murdered because death is better?
Everyone has something to contribute to life and the world, no matter what their life is like. Every person has some sort of effect on another person's life, and every person is concieved for a reason. If the baby wasn't supposed to be born, the woman wouldnt be pregnant (even in the case of rape, pregnancy isnt a 100% chance, so if the baby isnt ment to be born, the woman wouldnt be pregnant.)
Sorry but I believe that everything happens for a reason
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Do I truly think that a 13 year old girl should go through a 9 month pregnancy and give birth to a baby? Yes. Nine months, its not THAT long compared to years and decades. And in the case of incest, the criminal should be held into life imprisonment because incest is disgusting and I don't get the fact why some people get turned "on" by it.
When does a baby become a "living" person? When he/she forms a nervous system? When he/she has all his/her major organs? I believe the fact that life starts when the sperm merges with the egg. So in a way, both the mother and the baby should have the same rights of living. I rather spare the child from death rather than from agony. Because I believe that its not how they begin their life, it's how they end it. Who knows, that baby may have a life worthy of living.
Like I said before, if the mother knows that she can't take care of the baby, or maybe the sight of her baby makes her remember the terrible ordeal, give it up for adoption. What are the social workers doing in their job then?
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I have mixed views about abortion....I think it depends on the circumstances. But I am mostly against it.
~A girl got raped and got pregnant from it
Perhaps she was randomly raped and didn't even know the fathers name. Adoption would be the best choice, but I can see why a girl wouldn't want to have a child by the person that raped her.
~Teen Pregnancy under the age of 17 (if they want it)
I think if teenagers are dumb enough to have unprotected *** then they should suffer the consequences of parenthood. But that probably isn't the best choice for the child. On the other hand, They can give it up for adoption, which is once again the best choice for teens that get pregnant...I don't think teenagers are fit to be parents at all.
~A married 30-year-old woman gets pregnant and simply want's an abortion because she "doesn't want it." She can simply give it up for adoption in that case, Not let it not be another life in this world because she decided she didn't want a kid...Have you not heard of condoms lady? Or perhaps Birth Control?
I guess that wasn't really about abortion but I hope you guys see my point :/
~A girl got raped and got pregnant from it
Perhaps she was randomly raped and didn't even know the fathers name. Adoption would be the best choice, but I can see why a girl wouldn't want to have a child by the person that raped her.
~Teen Pregnancy under the age of 17 (if they want it)
I think if teenagers are dumb enough to have unprotected *** then they should suffer the consequences of parenthood. But that probably isn't the best choice for the child. On the other hand, They can give it up for adoption, which is once again the best choice for teens that get pregnant...I don't think teenagers are fit to be parents at all.
~A married 30-year-old woman gets pregnant and simply want's an abortion because she "doesn't want it." She can simply give it up for adoption in that case, Not let it not be another life in this world because she decided she didn't want a kid...Have you not heard of condoms lady? Or perhaps Birth Control?
I guess that wasn't really about abortion but I hope you guys see my point :/
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In my opinion abortion is the same as killing a baby a year or two after having it just because you decide you don't want to take care of it. It's murder and should be treated as such.
A girl got raped and got pregnant from it:
Exactly, you don't have to let the baby suffer just because the mother is not capable of raising him/her. If she can't do the responsibility, let someone else step up.
Teen Pregnancy under the age of 17:
To me, I think it applies to all ages of teens. The best choice is not to do protected ***. The best choice is to NOT have *** at all =/. Save it for marriage, when you're absolutely ready. One night of fun, the girl gets pregnant and then they abort the baby? That's so selfish, in my opinion.
A married 30-year-old woman gets pregnant and simply wants an abortion because she "doesn't" want it:
You had ***, you enjoyed the night and when pregnancy finally comes around, you don't want it? I think that woman is selfish beyond reasonable doubt. Like I said before, these are the consequences of your actions.
Exactly. Homicides, ritual killings, rampage and massacres are all treated by the law. Why should abortion be any different?
Glad The Philippines made abortion illegal.
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It's Illegal In Peru too...I did a research project on it a couple of years ago.
I read this one story about a woman who went to an "abortionist" and like...they filled her inside with like poison or some shit i don't really remember...
But the woman hemorrhaged a lot and she eventually died...
I think it was one of those abortion methods which were not "recognized" by the government. A lot of "street abortions" are done all over the world. But whether the case is either using a high tech laser surgery to abort the baby, or using poison, abortion is still abortion. And I don't like it =/
Luke fon Fabre
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In seventh grade got into an argument about abortion or not, Then in the middle of the debate my fellow class man and friend stood up in front of the class and he said. " My mother was going to have an abortion.....she didnt and thanks to her im here standing in front of all off you 
I was adopted and found a family." every one said nothing...since he as always a great guy to every one....we changed subjects soon.
I think every one deserves the chance to Live, even if it is rough....if people cared for orphans they would Help but not many dont....
@Kiwi: "we shouldnt bother letting them live cause of a maybe bad future"
wow dude................you disgust me.
I was adopted and found a family." every one said nothing...since he as always a great guy to every one....we changed subjects soon.I think every one deserves the chance to Live, even if it is rough....if people cared for orphans they would Help but not many dont
....@Kiwi: "we shouldnt bother letting them live cause of a maybe bad future"
wow dude
................you disgust me.Exactly. Give them a chance.In seventh grade got into an argument about abortion or not, Then in the middle of the debate my fellow class man and friend stood up in front of the class and he said. " My mother was going to have an abortion.....she didnt and thanks to her im here standing in front of all off you
I think every one deserves the chance to Live, even if it is rough....if people cared for orphans they would Help but not many dont
@Kiwi: "we shouldnt bother letting them live cause of a maybe bad future"
wow dude
Dude, don't flame Kiwi for his opinions.
It's what he believes.
Luke fon Fabre
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1.Do you have the right to take a Life away?
2.Then in what way, out of a tree, He gave us a right.
3. *shoots a random guy and all his family* okay then
4.people are more then capable to give a good life to their baby, even if it costs them a bit of suffering. If raped, (Adoption).
5. I thought *** was a way Love
................heh.....
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100% agree with you on that. I want to read what people think about choosing there answer.
I have to go with Pro-choice.
My outlook question is, who will take care of the kid? If the Mom/Parent wants to keep it, they need to take full responsibility for raising the child. And if they can't, they shouldn't have it. I say Mom/Parent, because it's something both parents should discuss. However, if it's a stalemate, between the two. I think the Mother(the one having it), should have the final say. It's not just because she has to give birth, usually motherhood makes a stronger bond with the early development of the child. So it's in the best interest of the child.
This mite be an off-mark, but this is what I've seen.
Older and religious guys, usually want to keep the kid because they mite not get another chance finding another woman or they feel it's there last chance carrying on the family blood/title, and that's a big deal and even greater deal to someone what's very religious.
As for Women, they'll usually keep it if they'll get the help raising it. If the father doesn't want it, the mother will take that as though she was just being used, and therefor thinks the guy doesn't loving her. Because to women, *** is love, a guy will only have *** with you if he loves you. Harsh to women that know that this usually isn't true or they forgot. Guys will have ***, because they want to have ***. I think, that's how mistakes of having a baby and abortion, usually develop.
Religious ppl, they seem to always think about only the afterlife, 'then,' and themselves. They should be thinking about now and putting the child ahead of themselves. Futhermore, how they're going to pay for school, food, things that should be thought about. Like I said, who will take care of the kid and raise him or her up to be another Naruto fan xD is whats important.
Damn, I forgot the meaning of Pro-choice, in typing all this.. I hope it's the one I was talking about, I feel lazy to backtrack..
BTW awesome thread.
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