Both deserved? That's your thought. But like u said not a matter to discuss
Also the example you use. Bad example. U understand that if a game don't sell as much or have a popular demand , the game creator caters to the request.? So a suggestion....... Implement some suggestions regular NB citizens make. Instead of a higher up off the back. Cause last time I check.... Regular NB citizens rp more than rp mod. So they would know wat could help as much as rp mods. This is not just about training btw. Just regular suggestions in general . Instead of making the rp a dictator where everything is DO AS I SAY. Help make it a democracy. Cause I seen the rp days you was in and it damn sure wasn't this strict.
It wasnt this strict because it didnt need to be, there was very little abuse of techniques, no constant calls for technicalities, basically teno, the rp as it is now is a construct caused by the actions of you and the others newer rpers, if you want it changed, follow the rules, and quit breaking them. Its that damn simple, the more you piss and moan while still not following rules, the less and less we pay attention.
Firstly i'd like to say it's 4:32 am as I begin to write this wallie, but this really caught my attention and I'm hurt in a lot of people I had high hopes in.
*Listens to Hold me back by "Rick Ross" as I type*
Let's begin with something simple for all of you. Why do you really come to Roleplay? You're bored and you have extra time on your hands to come online and enjoy that time on a site that's dedicated toy our favorite anime/manga, Naruto. We are all not here to point fingers, mock and destroy ourselves. If we really are a community then this isn't something we really should be doing. Which is using your emotions and personal grief to go about handling situations in a manner such as this one. If you felt some things needed to be looked upon or changed, how about you could have sent a Personal Message to Caliburn, along with the rest of the RolePlaying staff. The way you go about "exploiting" the faults in the Roleplay and it's inner workings is honestly the deal breaker in this. Do you realize why nothing changes?
Nothing changes because we in general go about handling the majority of our problems wrong. How about everyone stop going about speaking of details so vaguely, and become specific about whats the problem, in a wise and mature manner. For example the topic with the fact there have been cases where a sensei application was declined for not being a sempai first. How about you guys speak specifically about who it was instead of speaking in riddles, codes and being vague. Because if you were to go through the list and point out each and every person that has had that specific judgement I'm sure Vincent or even Nexus who has done this before would give you an explanation to why they stated this suggestion. Should they be forced to give you, the spectator, the audience to someone else's situation the reasoning behind their judgement? No. They are our admins and RP mods. They're trusted enough to give a thorough judgement to the assessment. If you feel some kin of way towards a ruling then maybe you should send a PM to Vincent. See why the matter was done, instead of letting your imagination run rampid, filling your mind with false illusions of bias, or whatever the case may be. Maybe it runs deeper than that, for the case may have been that you actually were not good enough as a general RolePlayer and he needed something other than your fights of RP history to come to a decision, Have you guys thought about that? It's insane to think that, people cannot put their own selfish goals to the side and see things with a clear mind. Is it because you didn't get what you wanted, that you fall into despair and see the situation negatively? Think about all of those factors next time you want to call foul play on the system he uses to check for qualified sensei.
As for the sensei tests, I was lucky enough to have taken both versions of the test, the one Nexus had made, and the one that Nexus and Tom had collaborated with for the newer sensei applications. I agree with Kaos on this one. You cannot expect a test to be formulated to allow you to pass based on things that you expect to be at face value. Being a sensei isn't about just the basic things you probably think about. Such as you need to teach the basic 5, nin, tai, gen, fuuin, ken, and the special techniques. It stems far beyond the text of black letters and white backgrounds. What does the technique look like? How big is it? When was it used as far as the Manga and Anime. Has the technique been used in other situations and when? What kind of techniques can counter it? Was it used by someone who had the element or skill as a specialty? Those questions in the sensei test are formulated to target the members who stand out from the rest. The ones who put their heart into the orange, and have passion in the Roleplay and not just are doing it for the perks, or just because. If you cannot pass, then maybe you are not as passionate about the RolePlay, or Naruto in general as they expect you to be. Why would they need you to be that passionate about a roleplay? Well look at it now? You can see the passion in some of the posts in this thread as well as some of the anguish people have for their shortcummings. If you are a sensei driven by such a passion and things they expect you to have, then it will brush off on those around you. Your students, and your fellow sensei, mods, regular members. Then what do you have? You have an effective system to weed out and find those who can keep the cycle continuing. But it's like a lot of you guys can't really see past some of the petty things you focus on. It's supposed to be fun and enjoyable for everyone. Don't you think that if a sensei that fits those things were to try and find a sempai. They would want to find someone who was just like them, or as Selendrile said, someone who shares the same image. As I'm a sensei who hasn't found a sempai nor do I want one, because I believe there isn't anyone around that really share my views or I can see as my reflection. Though I'm happy to say that I'm content about that choice. Sensei and sempai training are checked in the sensei forum, so don't think that nooone is watching I give excellent training to make sure you understand things correctly, not giving half ass responses to get it over with. If people were more focused on the simple things in the RP training wouldn't need to be hastened. You would allow your brain to soak in the information and spark up an interest in its inner workings and such. It's like when you are tired of have something on your mind and you read a book or a specific chapter, have you ever read a chapter and then never really took in the information about what you just read? That's what a lot of people generally make mistakes on when they're being trained. They're way too focused on the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow instead of actually being into the training to soak in the most knowledge a sensei is supposed to offer. Like Kiritsugu said, if we offered you guys techniques auto 99.99999% of you guys would agree and then complain about your tests being failed and your fights needing to be checked because you yourself are unsure about things you should already know. Because somewhere along the lines you failed yourself in soaking in knowledge, or using your critical thinking skills to think of something legitimately. Of course excluding the information that sometimes a majority of people don't know or isn't posted anywhere.
As I look back on my RP career, it took me one full year to finish my basics, as it took even longer to finish Genjutsu. Did I ever complain to a sensei or make threads? Nope. My mind wasn't set on that. What I really wanted was to have epic battles, even if I died and go out dramatically, and I still wish to have those kind of fights, but we cant go anywhere to fixing things if our mind and hearts are in the wrong place. Instead of trying to "expose" people or take shots at RP mods or sensei, go about all of this positively and then the rest will eventually follow. If you can't first conquer your own inner evils, how do you expect the whole RP (Senseis problems etc) to suddenly do the same? Zanji and Nero really helped in their own ways to help innovate the RP with both them taking part in activities as well as being apart of the staff. To say you'd discredit them in their efforts is disgusting. If this is far as we've come as a community I'm honestly sad. That we look back on people who helped pave a way for us and we openly slap them in the face? Shame on you guys. Whatever methods they underwent to be reinstated as sensei isn't supposed to be lingering in your mind. Why should it matter? Once again don't let your own shortcummings and misfortunes run rampid for things you have no clear understanding of. We can expect them to fall into shape over time, or however much time it needs which Im sure it isn't long. I can honestly say that me training people never stops. If I'm not training someone in techniques in the training grounds then Im probably on the net surfing the web and I tend to get a mob of people who ask me RP related questions. They seek advice on techniques, counters, strategy etc. Do you know what I do? I take the time out of my day to sit there and communicate thoroughly with them about their problems and how to go about it properly from my experience. I tend to really get into helping people with strategy and things they should have learned with the person taught it to them. Those people know who they are....I tend to even become late for work just to help or make sure my point got through. I almost have no time for myself. I go to work about 6 days a week, I hope on NB in my free time to train and do battle tests, and then when I'm not posting or updating I'm still receiving questions and requests for tips. It never ends, and Im happy about it because I enjoy it. I enjoy seeing them happy about learning something new or looking at things from a different aspect, even if it makes me late for work by a few minutes (I know that's bad) O__O"
Anyways I'm sure things will seem bad if all you do is sit at your computer refreshing all the time. Or if you have no job, no school, nothing other than NB. Understand that not everyone lives a typical life. Not everyone wants their personal business thrown out there for everyone to know.So be patient and understanding. If you really want to know what i go through then I will say it cuz im sure most of you dont really care because I'm just seen as an object for your enjoyment. But since I was a child i took care of my younger sister with my mom and she suffers from Kidney failure and high blood pressure she takes meds throughout the day and goes on about her life as a normal kid, but you know I help work and pay for a lot of medication and I look after her when my mom is out at work and I get time to myself. Do you know how hard it is to care for someone for years and work your ass off everyday to make sure you keep them smiling? I come on Nb to avoid a lot of the heartache I go through typically and for what its worth I could just leave and be content about it. Why leave one heartache for more? But do I? No, I believe in the RP and NB and I continue to spend time on here to see it to the end and do as much as I can to help out. So next time you remind someone about training....after a day or two...or about something extremely trivial dont get angry, upset or go ranting about things the wrong way. Just take into consideration that in this world people have hard lives. Its not always flowers and chocolates for everyone. Naga out.... >_>"
Firstly i'd like to say it's 4:32 am as I begin to write this wallie, but this really caught my attention and I'm hurt in a lot of people I had high hopes in.
*Listens to Hold me back by "Rick Ross" as I type*
Let's begin with something simple for all of you. Why do you really come to Roleplay? You're bored and you have extra time on your hands to come online and enjoy that time on a site that's dedicated toy our favorite anime/manga, Naruto. We are all not here to point fingers, mock and destroy ourselves. If we really are a community then this isn't something we really should be doing. Which is using your emotions and personal grief to go about handling situations in a manner such as this one. If you felt some things needed to be looked upon or changed, how about you could have sent a Personal Message to Caliburn, along with the rest of the RolePlaying staff. The way you go about "exploiting" the faults in the Roleplay and it's inner workings is honestly the deal breaker in this. Do you realize why nothing changes?
Nothing changes because we in general go about handling the majority of our problems wrong. How about everyone stop going about speaking of details so vaguely, and become specific about whats the problem, in a wise and mature manner. For example the topic with the fact there have been cases where a sensei application was declined for not being a sempai first. How about you guys speak specifically about who it was instead of speaking in riddles, codes and being vague. Because if you were to go through the list and point out each and every person that has had that specific judgement I'm sure Vincent or even Nexus who has done this before would give you an explanation to why they stated this suggestion. Should they be forced to give you, the spectator, the audience to someone else's situation the reasoning behind their judgement? No. They are our admins and RP mods. They're trusted enough to give a thorough judgement to the assessment. If you feel some kin of way towards a ruling then maybe you should send a PM to Vincent. See why the matter was done, instead of letting your imagination run rampid, filling your mind with false illusions of bias, or whatever the case may be. Maybe it runs deeper than that, for the case may have been that you actually were not good enough as a general RolePlayer and he needed something other than your fights of RP history to come to a decision, Have you guys thought about that? It's insane to think that, people cannot put their own selfish goals to the side and see things with a clear mind. Is it because you didn't get what you wanted, that you fall into despair and see the situation negatively? Think about all of those factors next time you want to call foul play on the system he uses to check for qualified sensei.
As for the sensei tests, I was lucky enough to have taken both versions of the test, the one Nexus had made, and the one that Nexus and Tom had collaborated with for the newer sensei applications. I agree with Kaos on this one. You cannot expect a test to be formulated to allow you to pass based on things that you expect to be at face value. Being a sensei isn't about just the basic things you probably think about. Such as you need to teach the basic 5, nin, tai, gen, fuuin, ken, and the special techniques. It stems far beyond the text of black letters and white backgrounds. What does the technique look like? How big is it? When was it used as far as the Manga and Anime. Has the technique been used in other situations and when? What kind of techniques can counter it? Was it used by someone who had the element or skill as a specialty? Those questions in the sensei test are formulated to target the members who stand out from the rest. The ones who put their heart into the orange, and have passion in the Roleplay and not just are doing it for the perks, or just because. If you cannot pass, then maybe you are not as passionate about the RolePlay, or Naruto in general as they expect you to be. Why would they need you to be that passionate about a roleplay? Well look at it now? You can see the passion in some of the posts in this thread as well as some of the anguish people have for their shortcummings. If you are a sensei driven by such a passion and things they expect you to have, then it will brush off on those around you. Your students, and your fellow sensei, mods, regular members. Then what do you have? You have an effective system to weed out and find those who can keep the cycle continuing. But it's like a lot of you guys can't really see past some of the petty things you focus on. It's supposed to be fun and enjoyable for everyone. Don't you think that if a sensei that fits those things were to try and find a sempai. They would want to find someone who was just like them, or as Selendrile said, someone who shares the same image. As I'm a sensei who hasn't found a sempai nor do I want one, because I believe there isn't anyone around that really share my views or I can see as my reflection. Though I'm happy to say that I'm content about that choice. Sensei and sempai training are checked in the sensei forum, so don't think that nooone is watching I give excellent training to make sure you understand things correctly, not giving half ass responses to get it over with. If people were more focused on the simple things in the RP training wouldn't need to be hastened. You would allow your brain to soak in the information and spark up an interest in its inner workings and such. It's like when you are tired of have something on your mind and you read a book or a specific chapter, have you ever read a chapter and then never really took in the information about what you just read? That's what a lot of people generally make mistakes on when they're being trained. They're way too focused on the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow instead of actually being into the training to soak in the most knowledge a sensei is supposed to offer. Like Kiritsugu said, if we offered you guys techniques auto 99.99999% of you guys would agree and then complain about your tests being failed and your fights needing to be checked because you yourself are unsure about things you should already know. Because somewhere along the lines you failed yourself in soaking in knowledge, or using your critical thinking skills to think of something legitimately. Of course excluding the information that sometimes a majority of people don't know or isn't posted anywhere.
As I look back on my RP career, it took me one full year to finish my basics, as it took even longer to finish Genjutsu. Did I ever complain to a sensei or make threads? Nope. My mind wasn't set on that. What I really wanted was to have epic battles, even if I died and go out dramatically, and I still wish to have those kind of fights, but we cant go anywhere to fixing things if our mind and hearts are in the wrong place. Instead of trying to "expose" people or take shots at RP mods or sensei, go about all of this positively and then the rest will eventually follow. If you can't first conquer your own inner evils, how do you expect the whole RP (Senseis problems etc) to suddenly do the same? Zanji and Nero really helped in their own ways to help innovate the RP with both them taking part in activities as well as being apart of the staff. To say you'd discredit them in their efforts is disgusting. If this is far as we've come as a community I'm honestly sad. That we look back on people who helped pave a way for us and we openly slap them in the face? Shame on you guys. Whatever methods they underwent to be reinstated as sensei isn't supposed to be lingering in your mind. Why should it matter? Once again don't let your own shortcummings and misfortunes run rampid for things you have no clear understanding of. We can expect them to fall into shape over time, or however much time it needs which Im sure it isn't long. I can honestly say that me training people never stops. If I'm not training someone in techniques in the training grounds then Im probably on the net surfing the web and I tend to get a mob of people who ask me RP related questions. They seek advice on techniques, counters, strategy etc. Do you know what I do? I take the time out of my day to sit there and communicate thoroughly with them about their problems and how to go about it properly from my experience. I tend to really get into helping people with strategy and things they should have learned with the person taught it to them. Those people know who they are....I tend to even become late for work just to help or make sure my point got through. I almost have no time for myself. I go to work about 6 days a week, I hope on NB in my free time to train and do battle tests, and then when I'm not posting or updating I'm still receiving questions and requests for tips. It never ends, and Im happy about it because I enjoy it. I enjoy seeing them happy about learning something new or looking at things from a different aspect, even if it makes me late for work by a few minutes (I know that's bad) O__O"
Anyways I'm sure things will seem bad if all you do is sit at your computer refreshing all the time. Or if you have no job, no school, nothing other than NB. Understand that not everyone lives a typical life. Not everyone wants their personal business thrown out there for everyone to know.So be patient and understanding. If you really want to know what i go through then I will say it cuz im sure most of you dont really care because I'm just seen as an object for your enjoyment. But since I was a child i took care of my younger sister with my mom and she suffers from Kidney failure and high blood pressure she takes meds throughout the day and goes on about her life as a normal kid, but you know I help work and pay for a lot of medication and I look after her when my mom is out at work and I get time to myself. Do you know how hard it is to care for someone for years and work your ass off everyday to make sure you keep them smiling? I come on Nb to avoid a lot of the heartache I go through typically and for what its worth I could just leave and be content about it. Why leave one heartache for more? But do I? No, I believe in the RP and NB and I continue to spend time on here to see it to the end and do as much as I can to help out. So next time you remind someone about training....after a day or two...or about something extremely trivial dont get angry, upset or go ranting about things the wrong way. Just take into consideration that in this world people have hard lives. Its not always flowers and chocolates for everyone. Naga out.... >_>"
just wow...that took a long time to read but damn it was worth it...amazing how enlightening a simple blunt explanation can be, and for that i regret all the things ive psoted on here after reading that..naiviety at its best. Great post nagato well done
I was the one who gave Nero his orange name back after he asked me about it. One one side people are complaining that they don't get enough training, on another they are complaining I made someone a sensei? With other words it's never good enough. Nero has been RPer for such a long time he could have played a role in Jurassic Park, he passed the sensei test before, he passed the MS test twice if I recall correctly and we have a lack of senseis. So yeah when he asked about it I thought about and eventually gave him his title back. If he teaches people, hopefully in a good way, well then I don't really see any issues with it. Senseis who don't, barely teach or don't teach very well, will lose their status sooner or later. We have RP mods who keep track of that and do check-up's from time to time. If it appears Nero isn't doing anything, well then he will lose the orange name again. If he does a good job, I seriously don't see what the fuss is about. The argument of that he didn't pass the current sensei test I find quite weak as it's very subjective which test was now the hardest.
Originally only senseis could teach people, but we made something called senpais to teach additional skills, like shadows, ice etc. These were people who only did one or two skills and that was it. With other words they were what Shishous do these days. However they became arrogant and started 'claiming' things like that they're also specialized in wind or genjutsu and, much to my dismay, in fact became senseis without orange names. The real senseis then started to take senpais mainly just to push parts of their work on them. That always annoyed me to no end as there was no one else anymore to teach those additional skills and left a void. For this Shishous eventually were introduced. Often those senpais might have been specialized in those additional skills, but when it came down to global training, they were often not really qualified for it, resulting in lower quality training. As much as I hated it, taking them away would leave even less people who could teach. So it was pretty much choosing between two evils.
Because most senseis in fact just used their senpais as people to ditch their work on, it's not hard to believe some senseis rather don't have senpais for that reason. However I suggested ages ago that we should get a rotational system that every senpai has to do the sensei test after a set time. If the senpai succes, we have a new sensei and both the old and new sensei can each take a new senpai under their wing. I never thought about the question whether senseis should take a senpai or not because I thought most of them did it either way. I have no intention to 'force' senseis to take one, but I do encourage them to do it. Not under the idea of ditching work on them, but the complete opposite of it: to teach them the art of teaching based on the old NB notion of having personal students. So if a sensei sees a youngster with potential, guide him on his RP path.
In the old days it was very common for experienced RPers to take around 1-3 personal students, meaning students for the next RP generation. Not people who you just train as a sensei, but who you even teach your personal skills and customs, things you never taught to anyone before. These students were different from your regular students as these were really meant as 'passing the baton', hoping that they would become the leaders of the next generation of RPers. This is something that still lives with a lot of old RPers, which is also the reason why they don't give their skills so easily away. This in contradiction to the current generations, which traded and give their skills away like it are pokémon cards.
Using this notion on senseis I hope that they teach their senpai how they should teach. So that time period is not only meant for regular RPers to receive training, but for the senpais themselves to get training in how to train. If a senpai then passes the test, well that can only be considered as flattery of the senseis ego as he trained someone from being a rookie to a sensei. This could even go so far as both considering this senpai as not only your 'sensei' student, but also your 'personal' student as I explained before. Where there were originally one sensei and one senpai, now we have two senseis and two senpais. And if a senpai horribly fails, well then you can see how late it is.
Btw for the record this system does not abolish the regular sensei applications system as it's not true that you have to be a senpai to go for a sensei test. I asked the RP mods who are in charge of that and they said it's indeed preferred, however not absolute. So even non-senpais can still apply, only these applications are checked on intervals, while the senpai system is bound to a universal time limit (for example 2 months, just a number) for each individual senpai.
I suggested this system ages ago. Even though it was liked, it was never used. Now that I'm an RP admin, I suggested it again and the RP sensei mods said they were going to work on it.
Also on another note let me remind you people of a few things:
1) The amount of skills and bio's people can make these days are, compared to the past, are extremely high. So don't start saying stuff about 'too much restrictions' as what people could use and do in the past as peanuts compared to what people can do today. Hence why back then less restrictions were needed.
2) You also need to remember very well that the staff is a reactionary force. We react on your behavior. So most of what we do is a reflection of the members doing. If members would behave, then we would have no need for so much restrictions. Unfortunately people always try to get stronger, find loopholes and trying to bypass rules, forcing us to react to that. You do well to remember that fact.
3) Someone said something about teaching customs. I find that laughable. Originally you had 35 CJ and 12 CEJ. These days you have a separate list for your custom summons, custom weapon and CFS. By now everyone is also allowed to teach his regular customs again. So overall I really don't think there is anything to complain about.
You got to understand that some sempai's haven't been added to the list because they may or may not be a frequent change. I'm a sempai myself and I haven't been added to the list for months, until Kiritsugu got his mod spot and revamped the whole sensei table. What's bothering me more is people re-gaining their names because of their previous "successes" or "accomplishments" without having to pass the sensei test again. I got humiliated on my sensei test, scoring a 2/20 because of the completely insane and rigorous standards that Vincent has set when he became head sensei. The reasoning was that my answers weren't complete even though I didn't stop writing for the whole duration of the 90 minutes, writing, in my opinion, more than enough about every question. Yeah, my battle situations weren't the best, I admit, but if got the scores together, I was sure I'd pass. I'd like to see all the current (older) senseis have to redo the test, under the same standards because I'm sure that over 50% wouldn't be able to pass. Also, why does one get his orange back with the senseis application thread not even being checked, for months. Is there some kind of a secret application thread, so I can apply there too?
Fair enough if people want there orange name back fine, but it's been four months since any new sensei applications got checked, four months...
*Edit*
Apparently its an issue Nexus needs to resolve.
I can do things without waillies. I have evolved towards infinity and beyond.
-The more I'm told 'reply to my training!' or 'lol y dont u take students u fack!' the less I want to train. There's something in me that'll stand its ground simply to stand its ground.
-I could make training hella funny. Jesus, I could take you on an adventure beyond the rainbow... if I only had you to train. Training a couple of people is fun; training twenty is boring. Yes, you heard me; training doesn't amuse me. It's no fun. I'm a volunteer, yes, but I passed the test and the more you remind me of my 'duty', the more I want to laugh in your face and half-ass it.
-I know the Jinchuurikis abilities by heart. I've been here for 2.5 years and know more about the rules of NB than I know about the rules of physics, which explains why my grades are as they are.
-I'm here to have fun. Training isn't fun, but I train because I want to give people some nudges forwards. I like giving you tools to use, but say I only trainined five people at a slow pace; what gives you the right to bash me? I'm still contributing, which is more than 90% of our RP population can say. So, yeah; go fetch.
-I already suggested 'forced Senpais'. You know, just for reference <.< I agree with it, but only to the extend where not having a Senpai is 'frowned upon', not disallowed by general rule. I want a good Senpai, which is why I'm training Alternative. Alternative is awesome. I want him as my Senpai. If you packed some random RP'er on me to be my Senpai I'd whine like a child.
-Teno and -Venom- were asswhipes in this thread. Especially Teno. Want to infract me? Call the cops, Idgaf.
-Don't whip me for not being a fast trainer. I have a life and I want to do normal NB stuff like the rest of you. I have the same obligations you do; plus I have to train. Time time time.
-The old, written Sensei test was easy; I got almost perfect scores both times. I barely passed the new test.
Vincent. I'm not a new rper. I'm in the era of oraan,Mcrazor, selendrile etc. but since you said me... Explain to me which rules u referring to ? I don't abuse techniques. I don't argue no more. I take the L and go. So what is it your referring to. Well let me say this. It's not our generation . But yours . Last time I checked .... My generation finished several tourneys. I remember wen I was a noob lookn at tourney for sound, swords, blah blah . Nd all I saw was arguing. ALL I SAW. One rp mod told me there has not been one tourney without bitching. I remember the sound tourney was going on for months due to arguing . Your generation . The war which had nothing but arguing. Lol so no Vincent . The rules u guys place was not cause of us. It was to prevent another era of you guys which (if you say that) is much,much,much! More respected . Nd understood
Zk. Lol. Please don't refer to me ,emotional man. U left konoha cause of several words. Lol .
I don't talk to men who have emotions like women . Sorry
I can do things without waillies. I have evolved towards infinity and beyond.
-The more I'm told 'reply to my training!' or 'lol y dont u take students u fack!' the less I want to train. There's something in me that'll stand its ground simply to stand its ground.
-I could make training hella funny. Jesus, I could take you on an adventure beyond the rainbow... if I only had you to train. Training a couple of people is fun; training twenty is boring. Yes, you heard me; training doesn't amuse me. It's no fun. I'm a volunteer, yes, but I passed the test and the more you remind me of my 'duty', the more I want to laugh in your face and half-ass it.
-I know the Jinchuurikis abilities by heart. I've been here for 2.5 years and know more about the rules of NB than I know about the rules of physics, which explains why my grades are as they are.
-I'm here to have fun. Training isn't fun, but I train because I want to give people some nudges forwards. I like giving you tools to use, but say I only trainined five people at a slow pace; what gives you the right to bash me? I'm still contributing, which is more than 90% of our RP population can say. So, yeah; go fetch.
-I already suggested 'forced Senpais'. You know, just for reference <.< I agree with it, but only to the extend where not having a Senpai is 'frowned upon', not disallowed by general rule. I want a good Senpai, which is why I'm training Alternative. Alternative is awesome. I want him as my Senpai. If you packed some random RP'er on me to be my Senpai I'd whine like a child.
-Teno and -Venom- were asswhipes in this thread. Especially Teno. Want to infract me? Call the cops, Idgaf.
-Don't whip me for not being a fast trainer. I have a life and I want to do normal NB stuff like the rest of you. I have the same obligations you do; plus I have to train. Time time time.
-The old, written Sensei test was easy; I got almost perfect scores both times. I barely passed the new test.
I'm awesome to >_>
I get where your coming from.I might only be a senpai but I don't want to take on x amount of students if its going to make this site less fun for me.
Vincent. I'm not a new rper. I'm in the era of oraan,Mcrazor, selendrile etc. but since you said me... Explain to me which rules u referring to ? I don't abuse techniques. I don't argue no more. I take the L and go. So what is it your referring to. Well let me say this. It's not our generation . But yours . Last time I checked .... My generation finished several tourneys. I remember wen I was a noob lookn at tourney for sound, swords, blah blah . Nd all I saw was arguing. ALL I SAW. One rp mod told me there has not been one tourney without bitching. I remember the sound tourney was going on for months due to arguing . Your generation . The war which had nothing but arguing. Lol so no Vincent . The rules u guys place was not cause of us. It was to prevent another era of you guys which (if you say that) is much,much,much! More respected . Nd understood
Zk. Lol. Please don't refer to me ,emotional man. U left konoha cause of several words. Lol .
I don't talk to men who have emotions like women . Sorry
Lets all dial it back a bit guys, a suggestions thread is for a suggestion not an arguement.
If you want to argue take it to the NW, see what i did there?
Of course you do.
All in all, for a final say, Having a sempai shouldnt be required, but suggested. And people do need to be more patient with training. Especially during this time of year, with exams and everything.
I would hate the fact that I MUST choose a sempai. I've trained constantly as a sempai and sensei for over 14 months. After reaching sensei the last month, i've taken more students that I've ever had, and kept up with trainings. I'm not obligated nor do I feel obligated so take in a sempai as I don't know really who to pick. It's not just finding someone who knows the RP. A sempai is a reflection of the sensei he trains under. Attitude, behavior, training quality all plays a role in sempai selection. Most importantly, I feel that I need a sempai that is very similar to me in all aspects. If I don't find that, I simply don't.
You guys forget that being a sensei is basically volunteer work.
Everyone talks about how sempaiship shouldn't be required for senseiship. Well, obviously it should be. It tests the person's ability to teach. It tests if they are able to consistently train a number of students over an extended period of time. It tests if they are able to balance NB life with RL. You dont want inactive sensei? Well then, not having a sempaiship requirement does exactly that. A sensei gets swamped with training and then simply doesn't have to log on to NB. Problem solved, no stress as long as you're not active.
I like the idea of a sempai application thread, similar to the sensei one. Not one where someone is approved to be a sempai, but just a thread where sensei can go check to see those who have the drive to teach others.
@ bold i agree with anthe's idea aswell. To counter your'e argument i guess. Please look back a page or two and look at what teno said about statements like "senseis volunteer"
People shouldn't be forced to get a senpai, that's a given.
I think a big thing is that you're wanting your teachers to rush your training just because you want to achieve whatever goals you have. Personally that's fucking idiotic. Roleplaying is not meant to be rushed, it's like a good story being told through the eyes of many people. What good is a story if it's rushed?
Instead of wondering why you haven't completed your basic 5 in two months, brush up on your general RP skill. Go from what you are to Kiritsugu/Reborn standards. :3
@bold so must of you think that senseis shouldn't be forced to hae a senpai. And the common argument was that there is o one who its. Selen, you trained houdinii and basic 5 for nearly 5 months correct maybe longer, he has learned most of what he can from you is he not fit? Vision and tenzo both chose someone they knew could teach effiteintly. So outside of the leader and shinta are the rest of you saying there is no one who can handle being a senpai. Okay hold that thought. Let's check the sensei apps really quick. All those who were approved without a test yet, do you think they aren't qualified to be your'e senpai yet alone a sensei. Back to selen's comment. "Senseis volunteer" No one forced you to volunteer.. It was your'e choice. Now before the next person refers t oh senseis get busy. Refresh yourself with my original post. As i think i am getting the say feedback due to others comments. No one has yet to give me a reason as to why you wouldn't want a senpai
-no one is qualified B.S
-no one matches my teaching ways. B.S
-i have to check up on them. B.S
I recall tenzo referring to senpais as senseis without orange. What i am trying to say is, if that's thetruth. You wouldn't have to check up on them.
@green
that i totally true, everyone who hasn't finished basic 5 in two months listen to this man and start actually rping. I want nothing more then to simply rp and have fun, but what happens when i find the person who uses 2 "op" customs and thinks i can't counter. I counter, then what happens? "Ummm sorry but you died due to blank blank blank x,y,z i feel as if i need to quote." Le mod comes. Yea Gecko you can't use 2 bios. Yea Gecko sorry that he used a short range jutsu to travel long range. Yea Gecko obviously S rank water>A rank fire. (S rank water which you don't have yet~_~) So yea you lost. I move along try to finish my training. "Sorry man i lost my senpai spot because blank blank is no longer.
-active
-a sensei
-or rping
It's happen to me at least 3 times for every element. But hey i'm not one to complain. I like to keep moving forward. Even if it takes forevor.
#1. Main point of the thread about trainings being slow. I guess it was time again for these kinds of threads to pop up.
#2. You are not going to force me to take on a senpai if i do not want one. Again it takes time to check up on them and I intend to fully check up on mine once in a while.
#3. There is a system already in place where our trainings do get checked. Hence some have been desensied for that reason. @ point to teno about him being removed as senpai. I highly doubt that wht you claim happened. I think it really was about virgil being highly inactive.
#4. Let me break it down to you how this all goes. You rper come to the base to have fun. Train, battle, partake in tournies, partake in NW affairs, mess around, make customs jutsus, make custom elements, make custom clans, apply for sage missions, make custom fighting styles, make custom element jutsu's, trade cj's, develop yourself into a better rper, battle train, power up, go for battle test bios, make bios in general and last but not least, use your time to do all of these. So soon as we volunteer to become sensei, to teach what we know, now we are obligated to only teach you???? and not partake in what we intended to come here first? I think not, sorry but I will as well do the following as YOU will and create the things I want to enjoy what this was meant for. To do what was mentioned, even customs and specially bio's it takes hours. You say we do these things instead of training. Training someone is not our life and we are not only to train you when we log in. Some days we want enjoyment as well, perhaps do the things we used to do and you say thats wrong? How can you really justify that being wrong? Am I sticking up for the ones that doesn't train for months? Not really but without knowing the real situation of a person in RL how do you know? This is also the internet, do you know these people? Do you know their situation? Are they obligated to tell you, hey i have this going on [insert detail here] so i can't train at the moment? I think not as that is personal information. Most of the time that information gets related to an RP Mod in charge of training and is dealt with accordingly.
#5. I personally don't know Zanji. I only have talked to him a few times. However I know a little bit about him. He has gone through a lot of crap. Really, cuz i know, i tried to help him in a way i could but due to the nature of the problem i couldn't. How about roll back to a few years when he was a mod? A RP Mod i believe..... so knowing basically most of the Cannon techniques were created a long ago, you are teling me now he is inept to teach these things? Let me simply remind you, Sensei's are supposed to be experts at teaching Cannon techniques. Is it so different now that when he was an rp mod that he can not longer teach now? Sure there are some new ones, however i would say ALL sensei's new, old, inactive, and acitve ones are able to use it correctly after some digging around. Heck, YOU as rper's if mastered the basic five and a new technique is added, YOU are able to use it and expected to use it without miss using the technique and understanding it. So how much is that different than someone who have passed sensei exams, became a mod, worked in this very system and expect him not to know how techniques worked? If that is the case, anytime new techniques get added, then everyone should go back to S-Ranks in training and not mastered. This is what you all are suggesting. RP Mods deemed him fit for sensei duty, I don't know what that entails, however it has been done. Let me tell you a story about Nero. So you all now want to say he doesn't deserve it. Perhaps there are good arguements, but mine stands as with Zanji. Sure I barely know the guy, but did you guys know he took the sensei test three times and passed them all? what is the point now to take it to find out if he is deemed fit for senseiship? I do see some of you going to his profile and asking to be taught his blitz impact or radio frequency soon as he turned orange. Some of them have posted on this thread and negatively at that. So it's only okay to ask him to give you his CE and have senseiship but not give him senseiship because he wasn't tested. Contradicting yourselves, and really a hypocrite. I also belive he has passed the Madara bio twice, if you guys were thinking about getting on him about that. Really my final point was. Our business in RL is ours and private to the ones that we don't want it to know. It's none of your business, stay out of it.
alright
@bold that is false my friend the main point of this thread is simply @ blue
comments like "Your'e not going to force me to take a senpai" Get your head out of your ass and tell me a reason why you wouldn't want a senpai. That's not directed at you vision but for the people who think that.
Back on @bold
if this thread as about my personal training being slow, do you honestly think i'd make a thread to complain instead of simply nagging my sensei? I know better, if i were to do that i'd get the same old two replies from vincent and scorps. Be patient people have other thigs to do.
I also agree. I've been a senpai for a little 6 months or so, and I adore it, Wesobi chose me so to speak, he held his own senpai apps, I didn't apply cause I didn't notice. But I vm'ed him asking. He said he would have chosen me, but didn't want to give me more work then I have, but I said I don't mind being a senpai. A bit off topic here, I said yes and here we are. Being a senpai is fun, I love teaching and training people, but you have to understand sensei/senpai's have other things to do, can't accept everyone who asks, but I do admire Kiri. Very much so.
Another thing rushing to get your elements mastered is silly you don't learn how to use each one like that, they'll be misused. Training is slow? So what. I train fast somewhat, cause I am always online cause I have a lot of time, doesn't mean every other sensei/senpai has time.
And as Ciberr said, sensei's shouldn't be forced.
@bold you here that all of you two month students. I'm not the only one who believes in actually learning it first. But to referr back to tenzo's question "If i offered you everything auto would you take it?" Hell yea!!! I'm pretty sure everyone on the base would say yes. And if they say no, they're lying. If i got auto everything. I'd simply learn how to use them by trial and error. Wait no i wouldn't because of that goddamn quote button. Is there anyone who can move forward in a battle with a few mistakes? ANyone who allows someone to edit? No No NO. Ofcourse not, everyone wants to win instead of trying to have fun by moving the battle beyong 3 moves. Please read the quote on my profile.
Ok, Let me add my two cents as one of the rp mods incharge of the teaching system.
Currently there is an issue with the poor quality of a lot of peoples training methods, the reason for the increase in the standards needed to pass the sensei test, is also the reason I personally dont want to see senseis forced to take a senpai, the person teaching MUST know how to use every technique properly, and in alot of cases they dont due to not being taught to.
Now, until the level of training is sorted out and rpers are taught to use everything properly, there are going to be issues like this, as its a downward spiral thats been brought on by yourselves. Students bug the sensei and senpai to hurry up with their training, so they rush it and dont take the time needed to properly teach them. This then results in a student that has all the techniques, but doesnt have a clue how to use them properly or defend from them, leading to people who cant pass a sensei test or arent fit to be senpai, yet in the old standards, people who havent had high enough levels of knowledge to teach have been handed teaching positions simply to ease the burden, which again has contributed to the many problems in the rp today, as most fights cant go more that three moves without someone making a mistake, or someone calling a technicality or running to a mod or sensei to check a fight because they dont know how things work.
@bld stp right there poor quality training. And i guess the reason for that is because senpais aren't qualified. No it all starts from you guys the sensei and it's up to you to fix it. Re-evaluate your training methods now and then so that we don't have these issues.
Ok, let me put it this way, you want to put this in the way of a game? ok
you are the gamer thats sits at home and plays the game, us mods are the people that make the game, we make the rules, you stick to them, thats how this works.
As for kirabi being de - senseid, thats not a subject to be discussed in public, much like why you were removed from teaching, but both were fully deserved.
I'm sure kirabi wouldn't mind this info. Don't click the spoiler if you don't want to know.
kirabi was de-senseid for giving out auto abilities. Hmmm iv'e seen a few senseis do this. Or give sloppy fast training which is basically like getting them auto.
Both deserved? That's your thought. But like u said not a matter to discuss
Also the example you use. Bad example. U understand that if a game don't sell as much or have a popular demand , the game creator caters to the request.? So a suggestion....... Implement some suggestions regular NB citizens make. Instead of a higher up off the back. Cause last time I check.... Regular NB citizens rp more than rp mod. So they would know wat could help as much as rp mods. This is not just about training btw. Just regular suggestions in general . Instead of making the rp a dictator where everything is DO AS I SAY. Help make it a democracy. Cause I seen the rp days you was in and it damn sure wasn't this strict.
It wasnt this strict because it didnt need to be, there was very little abuse of techniques, no constant calls for technicalities, basically teno, the rp as it is now is a construct caused by the actions of you and the others newer rpers, if you want it changed, follow the rules, and quit breaking them. Its that damn simple, the more you piss and moan while still not following rules, the less and less we pay attention.
Oh gawd i wish i could put this in my sig. What have i been saying this whole time. Vincent answer me this, when the last time you battled without quoting or a problem with someone' move? Nw or Ba?
Firstly i'd like to say it's 4:32 am as I begin to write this wallie, but this really caught my attention and I'm hurt in a lot of people I had high hopes in.
*Listens to Hold me back by "Rick Ross" as I type*
Let's begin with something simple for all of you. Why do you really come to Roleplay? You're bored and you have extra time on your hands to come online and enjoy that time on a site that's dedicated toy our favorite anime/manga, Naruto. We are all not here to point fingers, mock and destroy ourselves. If we really are a community then this isn't something we really should be doing. Which is using your emotions and personal grief to go about handling situations in a manner such as this one. If you felt some things needed to be looked upon or changed, how about you could have sent a Personal Message to Caliburn, along with the rest of the RolePlaying staff. The way you go about "exploiting" the faults in the Roleplay and it's inner workings is honestly the deal breaker in this. Do you realize why nothing changes?
Nothing changes because we in general go about handling the majority of our problems wrong. How about everyone stop going about speaking of details so vaguely, and become specific about whats the problem, in a wise and mature manner. For example the topic with the fact there have been cases where a sensei application was declined for not being a sempai first. How about you guys speak specifically about who it was instead of speaking in riddles, codes and being vague. Because if you were to go through the list and point out each and every person that has had that specific judgement I'm sure Vincent or even Nexus who has done this before would give you an explanation to why they stated this suggestion. Should they be forced to give you, the spectator, the audience to someone else's situation the reasoning behind their judgement? No. They are our admins and RP mods. They're trusted enough to give a thorough judgement to the assessment. If you feel some kin of way towards a ruling then maybe you should send a PM to Vincent. See why the matter was done, instead of letting your imagination run rampid, filling your mind with false illusions of bias, or whatever the case may be. Maybe it runs deeper than that, for the case may have been that you actually were not good enough as a general RolePlayer and he needed something other than your fights of RP history to come to a decision, Have you guys thought about that? It's insane to think that, people cannot put their own selfish goals to the side and see things with a clear mind. Is it because you didn't get what you wanted, that you fall into despair and see the situation negatively? Think about all of those factors next time you want to call foul play on the system he uses to check for qualified sensei.
As for the sensei tests, I was lucky enough to have taken both versions of the test, the one Nexus had made, and the one that Nexus and Tom had collaborated with for the newer sensei applications. I agree with Kaos on this one. You cannot expect a test to be formulated to allow you to pass based on things that you expect to be at face value. Being a sensei isn't about just the basic things you probably think about. Such as you need to teach the basic 5, nin, tai, gen, fuuin, ken, and the special techniques. It stems far beyond the text of black letters and white backgrounds. What does the technique look like? How big is it? When was it used as far as the Manga and Anime. Has the technique been used in other situations and when? What kind of techniques can counter it? Was it used by someone who had the element or skill as a specialty? Those questions in the sensei test are formulated to target the members who stand out from the rest. The ones who put their heart into the orange, and have passion in the Roleplay and not just are doing it for the perks, or just because. If you cannot pass, then maybe you are not as passionate about the RolePlay, or Naruto in general as they expect you to be. Why would they need you to be that passionate about a roleplay? Well look at it now? You can see the passion in some of the posts in this thread as well as some of the anguish people have for their shortcummings. If you are a sensei driven by such a passion and things they expect you to have, then it will brush off on those around you. Your students, and your fellow sensei, mods, regular members. Then what do you have? You have an effective system to weed out and find those who can keep the cycle continuing. But it's like a lot of you guys can't really see past some of the petty things you focus on. It's supposed to be fun and enjoyable for everyone. Don't you think that if a sensei that fits those things were to try and find a sempai. They would want to find someone who was just like them, or as Selendrile said, someone who shares the same image. As I'm a sensei who hasn't found a sempai nor do I want one, because I believe there isn't anyone around that really share my views or I can see as my reflection. Though I'm happy to say that I'm content about that choice. Sensei and sempai training are checked in the sensei forum, so don't think that nooone is watching I give excellent training to make sure you understand things correctly, not giving half ass responses to get it over with. If people were more focused on the simple things in the RP training wouldn't need to be hastened. You would allow your brain to soak in the information and spark up an interest in its inner workings and such. It's like when you are tired of have something on your mind and you read a book or a specific chapter, have you ever read a chapter and then never really took in the information about what you just read? That's what a lot of people generally make mistakes on when they're being trained. They're way too focused on the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow instead of actually being into the training to soak in the most knowledge a sensei is supposed to offer. Like Kiritsugu said, if we offered you guys techniques auto 99.99999% of you guys would agree and then complain about your tests being failed and your fights needing to be checked because you yourself are unsure about things you should already know. Because somewhere along the lines you failed yourself in soaking in knowledge, or using your critical thinking skills to think of something legitimately. Of course excluding the information that sometimes a majority of people don't know or isn't posted anywhere.
As I look back on my RP career, it took me one full year to finish my basics, as it took even longer to finish Genjutsu. Did I ever complain to a sensei or make threads? Nope. My mind wasn't set on that. What I really wanted was to have epic battles, even if I died and go out dramatically, and I still wish to have those kind of fights, but we cant go anywhere to fixing things if our mind and hearts are in the wrong place. Instead of trying to "expose" people or take shots at RP mods or sensei, go about all of this positively and then the rest will eventually follow. If you can't first conquer your own inner evils, how do you expect the whole RP (Senseis problems etc) to suddenly do the same? Zanji and Nero really helped in their own ways to help innovate the RP with both them taking part in activities as well as being apart of the staff. To say you'd discredit them in their efforts is disgusting. If this is far as we've come as a community I'm honestly sad. That we look back on people who helped pave a way for us and we openly slap them in the face? Shame on you guys. Whatever methods they underwent to be reinstated as sensei isn't supposed to be lingering in your mind. Why should it matter? Once again don't let your own shortcummings and misfortunes run rampid for things you have no clear understanding of. We can expect them to fall into shape over time, or however much time it needs which Im sure it isn't long. I can honestly say that me training people never stops. If I'm not training someone in techniques in the training grounds then Im probably on the net surfing the web and I tend to get a mob of people who ask me RP related questions. They seek advice on techniques, counters, strategy etc. Do you know what I do? I take the time out of my day to sit there and communicate thoroughly with them about their problems and how to go about it properly from my experience. I tend to really get into helping people with strategy and things they should have learned with the person taught it to them. Those people know who they are....I tend to even become late for work just to help or make sure my point got through. I almost have no time for myself. I go to work about 6 days a week, I hope on NB in my free time to train and do battle tests, and then when I'm not posting or updating I'm still receiving questions and requests for tips. It never ends, and Im happy about it because I enjoy it. I enjoy seeing them happy about learning something new or looking at things from a different aspect, even if it makes me late for work by a few minutes (I know that's bad) O__O"
Anyways I'm sure things will seem bad if all you do is sit at your computer refreshing all the time. Or if you have no job, no school, nothing other than NB. Understand that not everyone lives a typical life. Not everyone wants their personal business thrown out there for everyone to know.So be patient and understanding. If you really want to know what i go through then I will say it cuz im sure most of you dont really care because I'm just seen as an object for your enjoyment. But since I was a child i took care of my younger sister with my mom and she suffers from Kidney failure and high blood pressure she takes meds throughout the day and goes on about her life as a normal kid, but you know I help work and pay for a lot of medication and I look after her when my mom is out at work and I get time to myself. Do you know how hard it is to care for someone for years and work your ass off everyday to make sure you keep them smiling? I come on Nb to avoid a lot of the heartache I go through typically and for what its worth I could just leave and be content about it. Why leave one heartache for more? But do I? No, I believe in the RP and NB and I continue to spend time on here to see it to the end and do as much as I can to help out. So next time you remind someone about training....after a day or two...or about something extremely trivial dont get angry, upset or go ranting about things the wrong way. Just take into consideration that in this world people have hard lives. Its not always flowers and chocolates for everyone. Naga out.... >_>"
@red
last time i pmed cali about something serious, i got no reply.
@orange
to be more specific, about 6 or 8 were declined for this very reason.
@blue
do i even need to mention publicly about your training. Oh no i shouldn't because i pmed cali about it. But that's over with, 3 months of no replies without a reason. Gecko still without a shread of knowledge on genjutsu.
just wow...that took a long time to read but damn it was worth it...amazing how enlightening a simple blunt explanation can be, and for that i regret all the things ive psoted on here after reading that..naiviety at its best. Great post nagato well done
I was the one who gave Nero his orange name back after he asked me about it. One one side people are complaining that they don't get enough training, on another they are complaining I made someone a sensei? With other words it's never good enough. Nero has been RPer for such a long time he could have played a role in Jurassic Park, he passed the sensei test before, he passed the MS test twice if I recall correctly and we have a lack of senseis. So yeah when he asked about it I thought about and eventually gave him his title back. If he teaches people, hopefully in a good way, well then I don't really see any issues with it. Senseis who don't, barely teach or don't teach very well, will lose their status sooner or later. We have RP mods who keep track of that and do check-up's from time to time. If it appears Nero isn't doing anything, well then he will lose the orange name again. If he does a good job, I seriously don't see what the fuss is about. The argument of that he didn't pass the current sensei test I find quite weak as it's very subjective which test was now the hardest.
Originally only senseis could teach people, but we made something called senpais to teach additional skills, like shadows, ice etc. These were people who only did one or two skills and that was it. With other words they were what Shishous do these days. However they became arrogant and started 'claiming' things like that they're also specialized in wind or genjutsu and, much to my dismay, in fact became senseis without orange names. The real senseis then started to take senpais mainly just to push parts of their work on them. That always annoyed me to no end as there was no one else anymore to teach those additional skills and left a void. For this Shishous eventually were introduced. Often those senpais might have been specialized in those additional skills, but when it came down to global training, they were often not really qualified for it, resulting in lower quality training. As much as I hated it, taking them away would leave even less people who could teach. So it was pretty much choosing between two evils.
Because most senseis in fact just used their senpais as people to ditch their work on, it's not hard to believe some senseis rather don't have senpais for that reason. However I suggested ages ago that we should get a rotational system that every senpai has to do the sensei test after a set time. If the senpai succes, we have a new sensei and both the old and new sensei can each take a new senpai under their wing. I never thought about the question whether senseis should take a senpai or not because I thought most of them did it either way. I have no intention to 'force' senseis to take one, but I do encourage them to do it. Not under the idea of ditching work on them, but the complete opposite of it: to teach them the art of teaching based on the old NB notion of having personal students.
In the old days it was very common for experienced RPers to take around 1-3 personal students, meaning students for the next RP generation. Not people who you just train as a sensei, but who you even teach your personal skills and customs, things you never taught to anyone before. These students were different from your regular students as these were really meant as 'passing the baton', hoping that they would become the leaders of the next generation of RPers. This is something that still lives with a lot of old RPers, which is also the reason why they don't give their skills so easily away. This in contradiction to the current generations, which traded and give their skills away like it are pokémon cards.
Using this notion on senseis I hope that they teach their senpai how they should teach. So that time period is not only meant for regular RPers to receive training, but for the senpais themselves to get training in how to train. If a senpai then passes the test, well that can only be considered as flattery of the senseis ego as he trained someone from being a rookie to a sensei. This could even go so far as both considering this senpai as not only your 'sensei' student, but also your 'personal' student as I explained before. Where there were originally one sensei and one senpai, now we have two senseis and two senpais. And if a senpai horribly fails, well then you can see how late it is.
Btw for the record this system does not abolish the regular sensei applications system as it's not true that you have to be a senpai to go for a sensei test. I asked the RP mods who are in charge of that and they said it's indeed preferred, however not absolute. So even non-senpais can still apply, only these applications are checked on intervals, while the senpai system is bound to a universal time limit (for example 2 months, just a number) for each individual senpai.
I suggested this system ages ago. Even though it was liked, it was never used. Now that I'm an RP admin, I suggested it again and the RP sensei mods said they were going to work on it.
Also on another note let me remind you people of a few things:
1) The amount of skills and bio's people can make these days are, compared to the past, are extremely high. So don't start saying stuff about 'too much restrictions' as what people could use and do in the past as peanuts compared to what people can do today. Hence why back then less restrictions were needed.
2) You also need to remember very well that the staff is a reactionary force. We react on your behavior. So most of what we do is a reflection of the members doing. If members would behave, then we would have no need for so much restrictions. Unfortunately people always try to get stronger, find loopholes and trying to bypass rules, forcing us to react to that. You do well to remember that fact.
3) Someone said something about teaching customs. I find that laughable. Originally you had 35 CJ and 12 CEJ. These days you have a separate list for your custom summons, custom weapon and CFS. By now everyone is also allowed to teach his regular customs again. So overall I really don't think there is anything to complain about.
I can do things without waillies. I have evolved towards infinity and beyond.
-The more I'm told 'reply to my training!' or 'lol y dont u take students u fack!' the less I want to train. There's something in me that'll stand its ground simply to stand its ground.
-I could make training hella funny. Jesus, I could take you on an adventure beyond the rainbow... if I only had you to train. Training a couple of people is fun; training twenty is boring. Yes, you heard me; training doesn't amuse me. It's no fun. I'm a volunteer, yes, but I passed the test and the more you remind me of my 'duty', the more I want to laugh in your face and half-ass it.
-I know the Jinchuurikis abilities by heart. I've been here for 2.5 years and know more about the rules of NB than I know about the rules of physics, which explains why my grades are as they are.
-I'm here to have fun. Training isn't fun, but I train because I want to give people some nudges forwards. I like giving you tools to use, but say I only trainined five people at a slow pace; what gives you the right to bash me? I'm still contributing, which is more than 90% of our RP population can say. So, yeah; go fetch.
-I already suggested 'forced Senpais'. You know, just for reference <.< I agree with it, but only to the extend where not having a Senpai is 'frowned upon', not disallowed by general rule. I want a good Senpai, which is why I'm training Alternative. Alternative is awesome. I want him as my Senpai. If you packed some random RP'er on me to be my Senpai I'd whine like a child.
-Teno and -Venom- were asswhipes in this thread. Especially Teno. Want to infract me? Call the cops, Idgaf.
-Don't whip me for not being a fast trainer. I have a life and I want to do normal NB stuff like the rest of you. I have the same obligations you do; plus I have to train. Time time time.
-The old, written Sensei test was easy; I got almost perfect scores both times. I barely passed the new test.
@bold i agree you should have a senpai who is good enough for you. But how many people can actuall ee the good in someone? Not many, so if we go about finding senpais like this. They're won't be any senseis. Oh wait if cali makes it so senseis can become seseis without being senpais first they're won't be a need for senpais. As everyone can become a sensei quicker. Including those 2 month students who are wuote the newer rpers that quote quote all the time.
-vincent
Lets all dial it back a bit guys, a suggestions thread is for a suggestion not an arguement.
If you want to argue take it to the NW, see what i did there?
Of course you do.
All in all, for a final say, Having a sempai shouldnt be required, but suggested. And people do need to be more patient with training. Especially during this time of year, with exams and everything.
@bold you here that all of you two month students. I'm not the only one who believes in actually learning it first. But to referr back to tenzo's question "If i offered you everything auto would you take it?" Hell yea!!! I'm pretty sure everyone on the base would say yes. And if they say no, they're lying. If i got auto everything. I'd simply learn how to use them by trial and error. Wait no i wouldn't because of that goddamn quote button. Is there anyone who can move forward in a battle with a few mistakes? ANyone who allows someone to edit? No No NO. Ofcourse not, everyone wants to win instead of trying to have fun by moving the battle beyong 3 moves. Please read the quote on my profile.
What is the fun in getting everything auto? Where is the hardship in that? Getting everything auto takes the fun and the sense of accomplishment out of the RP, which no one wants. All the hard works pays off in due time. But if there are people who are willing to teach 'em.
Only things I can really think of getting auto is things no one teaches in, i.e Steel. Not one sensei/shishou teaches that, so that is a little different. I have it, so when and if I become a sensei, I can teach it.
I personally don't battle much cause I don't enjoy it as much, but when I do. I mainly go against friends, example Shane and I have gone head to head a few times, I messed up a few times, but we continued from that, and got 2 pages worth, which is good these days. As for editing and the 3 day rule for unofficial battles, I say who cares it's up to the people involved. (whom are sparing together)
This has nothing to do with anything, but I'm mildly insulted being told I didn't read, I've read every post in this thread and nagatos post made me change my mind, so in future please don't insult me like that....
More than enough was said about this issue. Like Caliburn said, we will change some aspects of the Senpai system but this won't be the approach we will take. We cannot force someone to be responsible for another. People forget that senpais are the responsibility of their senseis and all the trainings a senpai does, wrong or right, are the responsibility of their sensei. We cannot force someone into taking someone into their personal responsibility.
As for Teno, i suggest you guys search for the threads in which he was teaching people. Search for them, seriously. Then you'll see. As for the opening poster, I know you meant well (or at least i'm choosing to believe so) but the suggestion was poisoned from the start with a tone of criticism and arrogance and a bit of ingratitude. And that as always is why these discussions tend to grow into something that has nothing to do with their initial purpose.
I could say more and more and more, I could reply to each and every single fake assumption or sentence made here or justify each and every thing needed but its no use. The Opening poster won't care, people like Teno won't care, and since nothing productive will come off all this, I'll simply stop here and close this thread.
