A Retake on Minato

[Itachi Namikaze]

My question remains: What if they battled each other?
And plz, explain your oppinion... I'm not gonna flame this time (better mood)...

Honestly I think it would be either a draw or go in Minato's favor. At the very least a draw as Minato is one of two people to be able to use the Death Reaper seal (since he invented it and taught it to Hiruzen).

Since he has more chakra than an old Hiruzen, and used the death reaper seal on half of the 9-tails despite being almost out of chakra, we can safely assume that he could end it in a draw.

That being said if Oro goes to his true form then I don't see Minato being able to kill him as he can regenerate and his blood turns into a paralyzing gas.

But again this is only if he goes to his true form. He has obviously had this "true form" for a while now, but has never shown it in any battles except for the one against Sasuke. This is probably because he needs to be in his true form to steal bodies, which is what he was trying to do to Sasuke (and later either Sasuke or Itachi in their fight)

If he isn't in his true form I don't think Oro can beat Minato in a straight up fight. They are both highly intelligent, but Minato has FTG and is the best fuinjutsu user in the series, so that makes edos easier to fight as he can seal them, and if even Sai can seal an edo I'm pretty sure Minato can as well.


So here is how I see it going down.

Minato wins unless Oro is in his true form in which case it is a draw. You don't need to be holding the person like Hiruzen did to use the Death Reaper seal, you just need to be close, and if Oro thinks the battle is over (because of his true form's paralyzing gas) then he will be moving in for the kill.


Some things I would like everyone to remember. Oro's IWR is not Kabuto's. Oro controls the Edo ninjas and so limits their overall capabilities. He also has only shown two Edo ninjas. Also Minato has shown to be able to break control of summons just by touching a person and putting a seal on them. Obviously we have no idea if this would work on IWR ninjas but I'm sure Minato has some sealing jutsu to do the trick, considering that he marked Tobi for FTG and broke his control of the 9-tails all in one move.

 

[blazekev90]

Honestly I think it would be either a draw or go in Minato's favor. At the very least a draw as Minato is one of two people to be able to use the Death Reaper seal (since he invented it and taught it to Hiruzen).

Since he has more chakra than an old Hiruzen, and used the death reaper seal on half of the 9-tails despite being almost out of chakra, we can safely assume that he could end it in a draw.

That being said if Oro goes to his true form then I don't see Minato being able to kill him as he can regenerate and his blood turns into a paralyzing gas.

But again this is only if he goes to his true form. He has obviously had this "true form" for a while now, but has never shown it in any battles except for the one against Sasuke. This is probably because he needs to be in his true form to steal bodies, which is what he was trying to do to Sasuke (and later either Sasuke or Itachi in their fight)

If he isn't in his true form I don't think Oro can beat Minato in a straight up fight. They are both highly intelligent, but Minato has FTG and is the best fuinjutsu user in the series, so that makes edos easier to fight as he can seal them, and if even Sai can seal an edo I'm pretty sure Minato can as well.


So here is how I see it going down.

Minato wins unless Oro is in his true form in which case it is a draw. You don't need to be holding the person like Hiruzen did to use the Death Reaper seal, you just need to be close, and if Oro thinks the battle is over (because of his true form's paralyzing gas) then he will be moving in for the kill.


Some things I would like everyone to remember. Oro's IWR is not Kabuto's. Oro controls the Edo ninjas and so limits their overall capabilities. He also has only shown two Edo ninjas. Also Minato has shown to be able to break control of summons just by touching a person and putting a seal on them. Obviously we have no idea if this would work on IWR ninjas but I'm sure Minato has some sealing jutsu to do the trick, considering that he marked Tobi for FTG and broke his control of the 9-tails all in one move.

this all seems reasonable, except for the bolded part. If Oro's in true form how would that result is a draw if anything? It would seem that the only way Minato would win would be by draw. Also, The Kyuubi was being held dwn when Minato was using reaper seal, as the 3rd had to do. So Oro could fight the seal just as he did before and once Minato uses death reaper he automatically sacrifices himself, so his outcome would be inevitable.

 

[Mr.Beastie]

Though minato is very good.
i think there are some obvious picks to which can beat minato. lets get the obvious ones out of the way who have an advantage.
Nagato,garra,kisame,itachi in way does,sasori(depends on how minato will handle 100 puppets coming at him and one kazekage puppet,though one little scratch minato dies from poison)muu cause of his invisibility,Third raikage
now for some thinking.......
Haku-even though he isnt exactly kage level.....he knows all of zabuza's techs along with her own. She can use the hidden mist technique and use silent killing to figure out where minato is in the midst. Her ice tech makes her very fast and even though he can use ftg to get away it will be hard for him to know where she is coming from or nearly impossible. The best chance i see minato having in this fight is to summon gamabunto which would be ricky cause if minato cant see him whats the chances of a frog seeing him then minato could be wasting chakra.
Kimmimaro-Kimmimaro can take minato down......there is no tech minato has used which can puncture kmmimaro's body. His only destructive tech is the rasengan which will definitely not pierce his body. he can also use this to any of minato's summons.

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From what we have seen from minato he doesnt have any other very destructiv e tech besides odama rasengan.

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if being barried 200 meter below and being hit with garra's giant sand barriel cant break his body in one fight i doubt a bunch of rasengans can
i didnt say......does kimmimaro have the same power level than minato...no being able to beat someone doesnt make them better
(All of minato's attacks we have seen are physical which kimmimaro happens to invincible to.......When sasuke beat dedara does that mean he was better....no he simply knew his weakness. dont call me a hater cause so far i am the only one using debateable facts.
I say this because people usually jump to conclusions that im saying they are better than him.

I used kimmimaro and haku because they are seriously underated which people give almost no credit to.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

this all seems reasonable, except for the bolded part. If Oro's in true form how would that result is a draw if anything? It would seem that the only way Minato would win would be by draw. Also, The Kyuubi was being held dwn when Minato was using reaper seal, as the 3rd had to do. So Oro could fight the seal just as he did before and once Minato uses death reaper he automatically sacrifices himself, so his outcome would be inevitable.

It would result in a draw if Minato already has the jutsu active.

As it is though I can't see Oro beating Minato with ninjutsu or taijutsu. You know what I mean? He is just too fast, and considering that not even A could hit him I think it would be pretty tough for Oro to get a good attack in.

Though minato is very good.
i think there are some obvious picks to which can beat minato. lets get the obvious ones out of the way who have an advantage.
Nagato,garra,kisame,itachi in way does,sasori(depends on how minato will handle 100 puppets coming at him and one kazekage puppet,though one little scratch minato dies from poison)muu cause of his invisibility,Third raikage
now for some thinking.......
Haku-even though he isnt exactly kage level.....he knows all of zabuza's techs along with her own. She can use the hidden mist technique and use silent killing to figure out where minato is in the midst. Her ice tech makes her very fast and even though he can use ftg to get away it will be hard for him to know where she is coming from or nearly impossible. The best chance i see minato having in this fight is to summon gamabunto which would be ricky cause if minato cant see him whats the chances of a frog seeing him then minato could be wasting chakra.
Kimmimaro-Kimmimaro can take minato down......there is no tech minato has used which can puncture kmmimaro's body. His only destructive tech is the rasengan which will definitely not pierce his body. he can also use this to any of minato's summons.

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From what we have seen from minato he doesnt have any other very destructiv e tech besides odama rasengan.

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if being barried 200 meter below and being hit with garra's giant sand barriel cant break his body in one fight i doubt a bunch of rasengans can
i didnt say......does kimmimaro have the same power level than minato...no being able to beat someone doesnt make them better
(All of minato's attacks we have seen are physical which kimmimaro happens to invincible to.......When sasuke beat dedara does that mean he was better....no he simply knew his weakness. dont call me a hater cause so far i am the only one using debateable facts.
I say this because people usually jump to conclusions that im saying they are better than him.

I used kimmimaro and haku because they are seriously underated which people give almost no credit to.

First off haku is not a girl, he is a boy.

Secondly Sasuke with a one tomoe and without his speed training was able to keep up with Haku. That battle was in the first chapters of Naruto. If you think that Haku, who the most novice versions of Naruto and Sasuke were able to beat, can beat Minato then you must be out of your mind.

Kimmimaro well that is true, he is pretty much invincible to physical attacks, but we don't know anything about Minato's other jutsus, and whether he can seal other people with a seal other than the death reaper seal.


At the very least it is a draw with Kimmimaro.

 

[Uchiha Dan]

Minato is frickin epic!

 

[blazekev90]

It would result in a draw if Minato already has the jutsu active.

As it is though I can't see Oro beating Minato with ninjutsu or taijutsu. You know what I mean? He is just too fast, and considering that not even A could hit him I think it would be pretty tough for Oro to get a good attack in.

First off haku is not a girl, he is a boy.

Secondly Sasuke with a one tomoe and without his speed training was able to keep up with Haku. That battle was in the first chapters of Naruto. If you think that Haku, who the most novice versions of Naruto and Sasuke were able to beat, can beat Minato then you must be out of your mind.

Kimmimaro well that is true, he is pretty much invincible to physical attacks, but we don't know anything about Minato's other jutsus, and whether he can seal other people with a seal other than the death reaper seal.


At the very least it is a draw with Kimmimaro.

true, that's why if he's in his true form the vitory would be in his favor, as Minato wouldnt be abl to move, but other than that most likely a draw.

I would mention Oro's genjutsu, the one he used on Naruto and the Kyuubi distrupted but idk what he could do with that.

Also, Minato would have to deal with alot overall; Manda, regular big snakes, 10,000 smalls ones and * branch technique, he could run out of chakra again. But yea I'll just say a draw, but in Oro's favor lol

btw Oro would have little trouble with Kim unlike Minato lol

 

[Necron]

Honestly I think it would be either a draw or go in Minato's favor. At the very least a draw as Minato is one of two people to be able to use the Death Reaper seal (since he invented it and taught it to Hiruzen).

Since he has more chakra than an old Hiruzen, and used the death reaper seal on half of the 9-tails despite being almost out of chakra, we can safely assume that he could end it in a draw.

That being said if Oro goes to his true form then I don't see Minato being able to kill him as he can regenerate and his blood turns into a paralyzing gas.

But again this is only if he goes to his true form. He has obviously had this "true form" for a while now, but has never shown it in any battles except for the one against Sasuke. This is probably because he needs to be in his true form to steal bodies, which is what he was trying to do to Sasuke (and later either Sasuke or Itachi in their fight)

If he isn't in his true form I don't think Oro can beat Minato in a straight up fight. They are both highly intelligent, but Minato has FTG and is the best fuinjutsu user in the series, so that makes edos easier to fight as he can seal them, and if even Sai can seal an edo I'm pretty sure Minato can as well.


So here is how I see it going down.

Minato wins unless Oro is in his true form in which case it is a draw. You don't need to be holding the person like Hiruzen did to use the Death Reaper seal, you just need to be close, and if Oro thinks the battle is over (because of his true form's paralyzing gas) then he will be moving in for the kill.


Some things I would like everyone to remember. Oro's IWR is not Kabuto's. Oro controls the Edo ninjas and so limits their overall capabilities. He also has only shown two Edo ninjas. Also Minato has shown to be able to break control of summons just by touching a person and putting a seal on them. Obviously we have no idea if this would work on IWR ninjas but I'm sure Minato has some sealing jutsu to do the trick, considering that he marked Tobi for FTG and broke his control of the 9-tails all in one move.

Maybe it's my good mood, but you seem quite logical today...

still, I have a question (not sarcastic): What if Oro doesn't make that mistake... Oro has 5 in Genjutsu, so he propably can use some very high level ones... What if, wile minato is paralised, he wants to ensure the kill, and traps minato in a genjutsu?

In sum, I say it could go either way, It's a clear 50-50... U_U

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

true, that's why if he's in his true form the vitory would be in his favor, as Minato wouldnt be abl to move, but other than that most likely a draw.

I would mention Oro's genjutsu, the one he used on Naruto and the Kyuubi distrupted but idk what he could do with that.

Also, Minato would have to deal with alot overall; Manda, regular big snakes, 10,000 smalls ones and * branch technique, he could run out of chakra again. But yea I'll just say a draw, but in Oro's favor lol

btw Oro would have little trouble with Kim unlike Minato lol

As for Oro's summons, you forget that Minato can break control of a summons. All he has to do is touch Oro, and all at one time mark him for FTG and break control of the summons.

And then Minato is a toad summoner as well. With Oro's summons gone, Minato's summons would have free run of the place. And Jiraiya said that Minato was a better toad summoner than he was.

The only reason I think Minato would have trouble with Kimmimaro is because we have seen so few jutsus that he has done.

I'm sure that he has more than just 6 or 7 jutsus.

 

[chickmagnet]

damn stfu rewatch the thing he made the decision to seal the 9tails in exchange for his life for his son and for kushina to see him again all i gotta say call me fan boy if you may uneasily phased

 

[blazekev90]

As for Oro's summons, you forget that Minato can break control of a summons. All he has to do is touch Oro, and all at one time mark him for FTG and break control of the summons.

And then Minato is a toad summoner as well. With Oro's summons gone, Minato's summons would have free run of the place. And Jiraiya said that Minato was a better toad summoner than he was.

The only reason I think Minato would have trouble with Kimmimaro is because we have seen so few jutsus that he has done.

I'm sure that he has more than just 6 or 7 jutsus.

dont forget that the kyuubi is an untammed beast, he would go out of control in such a matter, but we cant say the same for any of Oro's snakes. The same way Jman toads wouldnt leave him, Oro's snakes wouldnt neither, tho Manda has a bad attitude.

all know the theory of snakes>toads, but ok

 

[Yanto]

they are fast ninjas

 

[CryInaBox]

this whole thing kinda has me wondering exactly how ftg works.(bare with me ill try and explain it right lol)
i understand the short and sweet version is it gets a person from point A to point B incredibly fast but....is it like

(A) -----------------> (B) and it just happens incredibly fast?
or is it like..

(A) ~ ?? ~ (B) as in, like you would go to the marked target regardless if there was...say a wall or something obstructing a direct path to it?

sorry that might be hard to get what im asking but...yeah lol?

 

[Mr.Beastie]

It would result in a draw if Minato already has the jutsu active.

As it is though I can't see Oro beating Minato with ninjutsu or taijutsu. You know what I mean? He is just too fast, and considering that not even A could hit him I think it would be pretty tough for Oro to get a good attack in.



First off haku is not a girl, he is a boy.

Secondly Sasuke with a one tomoe and without his speed training was able to keep up with Haku. That battle was in the first chapters of Naruto. If you think that Haku, who the most novice versions of Naruto and Sasuke were able to beat, can beat Minato then you must be out of your mind.

Kimmimaro well that is true, he is pretty much invincible to physical attacks, but we don't know anything about Minato's other jutsus, and whether he can seal other people with a seal other than the death reaper seal.


At the very least it is a draw with Kimmimaro.

okay ill give you that about haku being beaten by novices. But you have to remember haku wasnt even aiming to kill.

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see right here how many needles he put in naruto and sasuke he could have easily put one in their necks and ended their lives.

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the only reason he lost was beacues of naruto using his fox powers.
sasuke was only able to keep up because of his sharinganhttp://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/027/5
even zabuza said no one has ever defeated him before

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A debater of your skill surely knows what haku's speed is like

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as of right now im trying to find where zabuza said haku was even better than him. but its taking a while.....
but we all have our opinions ill continue this debate with you later.

 

[jtolliver87]

Ok im back now what makes you believe itachi would be able to even awaken susanoo during a fight with the 9 tails let alone not be destroyed inside that slow ass thing...How will he have a chance to hit him with the totsuka blade...and having a MS doesnt auto grant you the ability to control the 9 tails only tobi and madara have done it itachi doesnt have the stamina.....Thats the prob with Itachi fanboys their heads are so far up his ass that they can tickle his intestines...Every Itachi fb makes up the same shit..they auto make him faster than everyone,then they claim he's gonna one shot with tsukiyomi,or he's gonna seal them, when truth is you've seen him use susanoo 2 times against a 15 year old and the second when he relied on the power of two jinchurikki's to seal the other guy that would kick his ass

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

this whole thing kinda has me wondering exactly how ftg works.(bare with me ill try and explain it right lol)
i understand the short and sweet version is it gets a person from point A to point B incredibly fast but....is it like

(A) -----------------> (B) and it just happens incredibly fast?
or is it like..

(A) ~ ?? ~ (B) as in, like you would go to the marked target regardless if there was...say a wall or something obstructing a direct path to it?

sorry that might be hard to get what im asking but...yeah lol?

Nothing can stop Minato from teleporting to where he has an FTG tag. This is what makes it so great. If a he tagged someone once, then they are tagged, and if they traveled halfway across the world he could still teleport to them right away whenever he wanted.

He put mixed in an FTG seal into Kushina's bijuu seal so that he could know whenever she is in trouble and so that he could always be able to get to her.

It seems like he left marks and kunai in many places so that he could just teleport around Konoha at will.

 

[jtolliver87]

Nothing can stop Minato from teleporting to where he has an FTG tag. This is what makes it so great. If a he tagged someone once, then they are tagged, and if they traveled halfway across the world he could still teleport to them right away whenever he wanted.

He put mixed in an FTG seal into Kushina's bijuu seal so that he could know whenever she is in trouble and so that he could always be able to get to her.

It seems like he left marks and kunai in many places so that he could just teleport around Konoha at will.

You noticed that too..i was scratching my head earlier while watching the anime saying "just how many of those marks are around"

 

[CryInaBox]

Nothing can stop Minato from teleporting to where he has an FTG tag. This is what makes it so great. If a he tagged someone once, then they are tagged, and if they traveled halfway across the world he could still teleport to them right away whenever he wanted.

He put mixed in an FTG seal into Kushina's bijuu seal so that he could know whenever she is in trouble and so that he could always be able to get to her.

It seems like he left marks and kunai in many places so that he could just teleport around Konoha at will.

ahh ok so heres what im really getting at..so basically once your tagged its like the equivelant of losing because if he wanted he could go home..wait an hour, appear near you and kill you, right? o.o;

so if he ( for the sake of example) were to tag sasuke doesnt this mean he could very well enter susanoo and get to him? i dont get whats "overrated" about something like that x.x thats..serious...

 

[jtolliver87]

ahh ok so heres what im really getting at..so basically once your tagged its like the equivelant of losing because if he wanted he could go home..wait an hour, appear near you and kill you, right? o.o;

so if he ( for the sake of example) were to tag sasuke doesnt this mean he could very well enter susanoo and get to him? i dont get whats "overrated" about something like that x.x thats..serious...

thats the only part im not sure of ive also wondered about that question...i dont see why he couldnt in theory

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

ahh ok so heres what im really getting at..so basically once your tagged its like the equivelant of losing because if he wanted he could go home..wait an hour, appear near you and kill you, right? o.o;

so if he ( for the sake of example) were to tag sasuke doesnt this mean he could very well enter susanoo and get to him? i dont get whats "overrated" about something like that x.x thats..serious...

Yes if you are tagged you pretty much lose automatically, because like you said he could just go home and then wait until you aren't suspecting him and then teleport back and cut the person's throat or well do anything really.

FTG can't really be overrated in my opinion. This jutsu along with Itachi's Tsukuyomi, are probably the most haxxed jutsus in existence.

And I believe that yes Minato could teleport right inside Susanoo if he marked either Itachi or Sasuke.

That is why if ninjas are ever in a fight against Minato they have to try their best not to get tagged as in one move he can take away any summons you have, while also marking you for FTG, giving him in insta win.

 

[CryInaBox]

Yes if you are tagged you pretty much lose automatically, because like you said he could just go home and then wait until you aren't suspecting him and then teleport back and cut the person's throat or well do anything really.

FTG can't really be overrated in my opinion. This jutsu along with Itachi's Tsukuyomi, are probably the most haxxed jutsus in existence.

And I believe that yes Minato could teleport right inside Susanoo if he marked either Itachi or Sasuke.

That is why if ninjas are ever in a fight against Minato they have to try their best not to get tagged as in one move he can take away any summons you have, while also marking you for FTG, giving him in insta win.

wow, well this definitly explains the flee on sight order lol, after seeing it i had thoguht it was like the ummm (A)--->(B) example i used because when he threw his special kunai towards tobi he used ftg to follow it, this is what had me abit confused but i guess ftg works in diffrent ways...@.@