3T Itachi vs Neji

[Zexion~]

Not is it only that Itachi kept up with him, but Sasuke didn't

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. And can you imagine, Sharingan was supposed to see your handseals no matter how fast they were?

What are you talking about? Itachi has dodged every single one of his Katon in the fight. Even when his leg got wounded. If I recall correctly, Sasuke failed to dodge his Katon.

He failed to dodge the shuriken because of the Tsukuyomi backlash and even then he was moving pretty nice (dodged Chidori and Katon point blank).

And lastly, Neji has still much to catch up to Sasuke.

Those links you posted were after Tsukuyomi.

But yeah, he was able to dodge Hebi Sasuke from like 3 meters in the air. Neji still can catch him off guard but its not likely.

 

[Rιver]

Those links you posted were after Tsukuyomi.

But yeah, he was able to dodge Hebi Sasuke from like 3 meters in the air. Neji still can catch him off guard but its not likely.

No, the second was actually much before it.

 

[Zexion~]

No, the second was actually much before it.

You mean the one where Sasuke was already distracted? His reactions are going to be slowed if he's blinded .-. Hence why he barely avoided a Fire Ball later on in the fight. Whereas he normally would have dodged away asap.

 

[Rιver]

You mean the one where Sasuke was already distracted? His reactions are going to be slowed if he's blinded .-. Hence why he barely avoided a Fire Ball later on in the fight. Whereas he normally would have dodged away asap.

Dude I am 99% sure that second scan I posted was where Itachi and Sasuke literally clash from 5m distance and Sasuke failed to notice that Itachi made a Bunshin.

Barely avoided? If he avoided the Katon and Chidori with no damage how does that translate to barely?

 

[Zexion~]

Dude I am 99% sure that second scan I posted was where Itachi and Sasuke literally clash from 5m distance and Sasuke failed to notice that Itachi made a Bunshin.

Barely avoided? If he avoided the Katon and Chidori with no damage how does that translate to barely?

Yeah, he has quick hand speed......We all knew this.

Uh...The Fireball got right in front of him before he could dodge and the fire ball <<<<<<<<<<<<<Neji's speed, then he was surprised by Sasuke despite having Sharingan and was pushed back out the roof.

 

[Rιver]

Yeah, he has quick hand speed......We all knew this.

Uh...The Fireball got right in front of him before he could dodge and the fire ball <<<<<<<<<<<<<Neji's speed, then he was surprised by Sasuke despite having Sharingan and was pushed back out the roof.

And he's pretty quick too.

Just because it was in front of him, does not mean he was by any means slow. The room was small and the distance was small, but the fireball enormous. The fact that he even dodged it from such small distance pretty much enforces my point. Also in case you didn't know, the speed of Gokakyuu is enough to shatter ground. Neji has barely any speed feats to compare to anyone.

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If you're really trying to prove that Neji blitzes Itachi, try proving he is even almost on the same level as Sasuke who is in turn, slower than Itachi.

Him having Sharingan doesn't mean anything here. The fireball is made of chakra so naturally his vision was clouded by chakra. No way could have Itachi tell where Sasuke was if he had no means to see him to begin with.

 

[DrProof]

And he's pretty quick too.

Just because it was in front of him, does not mean he was by any means slow. The room was small and the distance was small, but the fireball enormous. The fact that he even dodged it from such small distance pretty much enforces my point. Also in case you didn't know, the speed of Gokakyuu is enough to shatter ground. Neji has barely any speed feats to compare to anyone.

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If you're really trying to prove that Neji blitzes Itachi, try proving he is even almost on the same level as Sasuke who is in turn, slower than Itachi.

Him having Sharingan doesn't mean anything here. The fireball is made of chakra so naturally his vision was clouded by chakra. No way could have Itachi tell where Sasuke was if he had no means to see him to begin with.

Not saying Neji beats Itachi, but Rotation completely disperses techniques with no solid/penetrative/blunt force. So techniques like Katon (Fire balls), and Suiton (Water blast) get dissected @ the face of Kaiten.

 

[Rιver]

Not saying Neji beats Itachi, but Rotation completely disperses techniques with no solid/penetrative/blunt force. So techniques like Katon (Fire balls), and Suiton (Water blast) get dissected @ the face of Kaiten.

We weren't talking about that. Zexion claims that because Itachi "barely" managed to dodge Gokakyuu from Sasuke which somehow is inferior to Neji in terms of speed he can blitz Itachi.

 

[RedRobin]

Neji wins this IMO.

Genjustu is completely useless here and the rest of Itachi's arsenal in 3T is lackluster.

 

[KidGamer65]

We weren't talking about that. Zexion claims that because Itachi "barely" managed to dodge Gokakyuu from Sasuke which somehow is inferior to Neji in terms of speed he can blitz Itachi.

:lol Nothing like a good joke on a late night.

 

[Zexion~]

And he's pretty quick too.

Just because it was in front of him, does not mean he was by any means slow. The room was small and the distance was small, but the fireball enormous. The fact that he even dodged it from such small distance pretty much enforces my point. Also in case you didn't know, the speed of Gokakyuu is enough to shatter ground. Neji has barely any speed feats to compare to anyone.

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If you're really trying to prove that Neji blitzes Itachi, try proving he is even almost on the same level as Sasuke who is in turn, slower than Itachi.

Him having Sharingan doesn't mean anything here. The fireball is made of chakra so naturally his vision was clouded by chakra. No way could have Itachi tell where Sasuke was if he had no means to see him to begin with.

Has nothing to do with how fast it goes, its compacted flame coming into contact with the ground :lol


Okay substitute the difficulty he had dodging it due to size, with the difficulty that comes with Neji's superior speed and quickness and the point stands.


I'm not saying its definite i'm just saying it would cause Itachi some trouble. Especially since the distance is smaller, and Neji is quicker, size means nothing really not when he was staring down at it for like a minute.

 

[Rιver]

Has nothing to do with how fast it goes, its compacted flame coming into contact with the ground :lol


Okay substitute the difficulty he had dodging it due to size, with the difficulty that comes with Neji's superior speed and quickness and the point stands.


I'm not saying its definite i'm just saying it would cause Itachi some trouble. Especially since the distance is smaller, and Neji is quicker, size means nothing really not when he was staring down at it for like a minute.

Zex, we'll just stop it here... aight.

 

[Sound]

Such an unfair fight. Itachi blitzes right of the bat. The distance favours Itachi more than Neji.

Byakugan is utter trash in front of Itachi's shunshin, a top tier base speedster. It doesn't help Neji in the slightest considering he'll never be able to execute a single movement [Hakke Kusho or rotation included] before Itachi shunshin blitzes and cuts his hands off with a kunai. 360 degree vision is garbage in front of Itachi's speed which gave trouble to a high tier sensor with precognitive abilities such as Kabuto, who almost got himself blitzed, even though his evasive, reflexive and HM sensory feats far surpasses the likes of low tiers like Neji. Once again Itachi blitz-stomps and its not even close.

 

[Zexion~]

Zex, we'll just stop it here... aight.

You make no sense :lol

 

[TRILL GOD]

Neji can win this I just don't feel like posting manga scans and feats.

 

[Beans2]

Wait, you were serious?

._.

The thing is, all the speed feats used here were done by sick and blind Itachi. Actually, let me borrow a quote.



So even if Itachi was deadly sick in this fight, feats determine he has more than enough capability to take out Neji. People underrate Itachi because the term sick sounds bad but don't seem to realize Itachi was fighting against Hebi Sasuke at least on equal grounds while sick and not using his full power. And Neji is not Hebi Sasuke, but much less.

I've countered that quote in question .-. Just sayin.

 

[Trúth]

Itachi stomps in base. Zzz

 

[Kooljay]

Neji wins this IMO.

Genjustu is completely useless here and the rest of Itachi's arsenal in 3T is lackluster.

How is genjutsu useless. Dont tell me this is the see through the eye lids argument. Manga already showed why that wont work

 

[New Dawn]

Itachi goes into taijutsu battle with Neji. He summons a clone crow and it explodes into Neji's face. The end.

 

[Haizaki]

Well shit, I forgot about the location and intel so this fight gets harder for Itachi, but anyways. Yes, I don't specifically think Itachi can blitz Neji in the literal meaning that people use the word blitz in. I just think Itachi is physically faster than Neji, even if by a little.

Agreed..Very reason why I thought this matchup wasn't just a walkover. Plus the DB scores and portrayal doesn't make it closer to a bltiz.

As for the Genjutsu thing, I have two specific problems with this. The whole point of Genjutsu activation is making eye contact and the brain getting said information. So even if you put down a headband and see through it, you will still be seeing into Itachi's eyes and thus, the information that you are seeing Itachi's eyes will go into your brain, starting the Genjutsu. We've already seen that to start a Genjutsu, direct eye contact doesn't mean that at face value. As we have someone like Bee who's wearing dark shades and Sasuke couldn't exactly look into his eyes, but because Bee looked into Sasuke's eyes [

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] and that information went into his brain, he was caught in a Genjutsu. The point is that shades were an object that obstructed Sasuke's view into Bee's eyes and that thus, it wasn't actual direct eye contact.

No..Like I explained to FT, if we suggest Itachi can hit Neji while using his headband, then you're logically saying Itachi can hit Neji just by looking at the back of his head since Neji has the ability to see from there

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. That's not logically right because Neji blocks his focus point with then headband/eyelid preventing Itachi from making eye contact...The same as how he can see Itachi from behind his head but still can't be hit with a Genjutsu.

It's the ability of the Byakugan and the focus is lost once his eyes are blocked.

So yeah, the whole point is for the target to look into your eyes and get the information of doing so into the brain. Which is why seeing through the headband should still get caught you in a Genjutsu. Albeit, I'm not fully sure if this will work. Barely remember anything of the Naruto manga besides Sasori and Deidara chapters.

Ok no problem but I tried by explaining above.

Air Palm is one directional, no? What I'm saying is that the clones Itachi makes should still have Itachi's Shunshin speed even if they don't have the full capability of his Ninjutsu.

It is but I completely disagree with the clone having Itachi's Shunsin speed. It's naturally weaker than Itachi in every department so the clone enhancing its movements with chakra shouldn't give it Itachi's own level of speed.

I don't think it can evade Air Palm when 30% Kisame was at least hit by it

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and plus the DB's description of it being hard to anticipate...Meanwhile the clone doesn't have something really convincing that suggest it can dodge something like that.


Itachi wouldn't place a huge amount of chakra in clones so the use of Shunsin shouldn't be a good idea for them since it uses up chakra.

So a clone should still be able to dodge an Air Palm and get closer to Neji in order to blow up.

Not really but even so part 1 Kakashi who at least once or twice commented on his current state and he was around Pt 2 Neji's speed or probably slower at that point according to the DB managed to evade the explosion plus saving Kurenai. Neji also has a shield which he can release from his body further reducing the impact of the attack or probably making it useless (Middle panel)

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A simple solution would be changing directions or ducking down to evade the strike in a similiar manner to how he evades Bee's attack [

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], but instead of jumping up, he should duck down under the Air Palm like he did against Sasuke's Shurikens. Although, throwing explosion tags from different directions should work, too. What I'm aiming for here is something like this. [

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] A fireball as an initial attack in order to bring Neji's attention to it and force him to defend against it while Itachi moves behind him like this and strikes his head with a kunai. Neji would react, but due to having to defend from the fireball prior to Itachi's second attack, a split-second faster striking movement than Neji's should result in something like this. [

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] Except with Neji getting not only his limbs sliced off - with a kunai in Itachi's case -, but also getting his throat slit. Basically, even if they are around the same speed, if Itachi is only a split-second faster than Neji it will result in Itachi delivering his blow and finishing off the match up.

I see the strategy...Though instead of Neji standing there, he does what these people did in the first encounter

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or what Itachi himself did to evade it

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and unlike Itachi's view that was blocked, his Byakugan can see through and can see from all sides so I don't really
expect a surprise attack.

In this case Neji can see 800M with added 360 vision so Itachi won't get behind him without him seeing Itachi. In this case he'll only be jumping out of the way so releasing that shield to complete stop the Kunai from cutting his neck shouldn't be a case at all. Just like how he released the shield to stop Naruto's punch.

There's also something I'd like to point out...You agreed that only the real Itachi would be able to pull that sort of Ninjutsu out, how then would he go around Neji to blitz him when he tries to react? A firsestyle requires Itachi to keep releasing it from his mouth

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..For him to easily switch from that to blitzing Neji is pretty unrealistic since he'll have to keep that up for the Jutsu to actually force Neji to defend himself. Itachi also hasn't shown to use Explosive tags..Just like how Neji doesn't.

That also blocks Itachi's line of sight..Seeing as he just noticed Samehada was with B after it absorbed his Jutsu...If an Air Palm is coming, he'll be vulnerable since he won't be seeing it while he has to keep releasing the fire from his mouth.

And Itachi's striking speed is immensely fast as he was capable of countering Bee's eight sword style with a single kunai.[

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] He repelled Bee's swords twelve times judging by the strike signs and with enough precision to do so with a kunai. The whole point of Bee's eight sword style is to attack the enemy with multiple swords at once and Itachi was fast enough to continously repel that. The same goes for his fight against Sasuke. [

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] He was able to kick Sasuke head on before Sasuke could even put up his arms to defend.

- Itachi used a Kunai against B? No...That sign doesn't necessarily mean it was used especially with no SFX to indicate so. Not to mention that same exact sign can be seen here

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but we know Lee fully well had Kunai or object to counter with. He only dodged it so there's no proof Itachi used a Kunai which isn't going to account for his striking speed.

Him kicking Sasuke was in a Genjutsu..I'll break the whole thing down in my response to Apex and you can check it.

The location is bad for that, yeah. Only noticed it now. Wasn't aiming for a hide and seek argumentation, but... Anyways, Crow Summonings should still work in Itachi's favour though since he could replicate what Aoba did against Kakuzu and Hidan to force Neji to fight off crows from different sides. This would allow Itachi to move even faster than Neji since he wouldn't have to deal with crows and will be able move through them to his target just fine just like Aoba was able to and how he was able to against Sasuke. And I don't really see how the crows should obstruct Itachi's kunai since Itachi has shown specific technique that involves bouncing kunai off of each other and directly hit hidden targets that are obstructed by trees or different things.

Yeah and even though I believe Neji's chance of winning this is really low, I don't believe Itachi would stomp-low diff Neji like others do. Med diff is even unlikely but maybe.

Neji's insight with the Byakugan can potentially counter the crows blocking him...The crows are summonings without chakra unless they become one as clones. Having said this, Neji's Byakugan enables him to see through those birds and he'll still find Itachi...Matter of fact even if they contained chakra that won't stop him. The Byakugan is more like sensing since as long as you're in it's range, it would detect you. Think about all the Trees and surroundings that the Byakugan had to see from 10KM and it still distinguished Amaterasu based on its chakra

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That's Hinata, Neji is more skilled.

The crows don't contain chakra and even if they did, it's different from Itachi's unless they form as a clone. That way Neji sees past them and Itachi can't fool him. Especially since he knows Itachi's position...Neji would always rotate to deal with the Kunai or he'll just dodge it like he did against multiple of Kido's fast moving object.

I am suggesting the Tsuikyomi was initiated in the bottom right panel [

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]. It was emphasised by the previous panel being the MS and following one being Itachi and Sasuke making eye contact. So the blitz had already happened right there, and everything after that was Genjutsu.

Which I still believe is wrong...Tsukoyomi started sometime when they finished with the Shurikens. I'll give my reasons and please follow them slowly so you don't miss anything.

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There was emphasis on both eyes in this scan

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Now notice here that both people moved forward and most of all keep your eyes on the placement of the little shurikens(Notice Sasuke is well in front of it as he moved forward)

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1. We see the Shuriken used to hit the crow clone here(Red circle) Take note of the distance between them as well(Also the little Shurikens still well behind Sasuke) :

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Note that that Crows flying was a result of the clones being attacked by the Shuriken

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(You can keep reading the panels to see)

As soon as the Genjutsu ends, take a look at Sasuke's position(Well behind the Shurikens like he's supposed to be) :

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(More scans to back up the position(top and bottom panel)

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This indicates that Sasuke before the Genjutsu never moved in front of those little Shurikens which means he was behind them ever since from that we saw so everything that happened while he moved forward was all in the Genjutsu.

2. Remember I circled in red a Shruken right next to Itachi? I showed you that as soon as the crow clone was hit, crows started moving all about confusing Sasuke's view. After the Genjutsu was used, there's no shuriken in that position:

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Why? Not to mention take a look again at Sasuke position with the Shuriken again in that scan.


It doesn't make any sense that before the Genjutsu, Kishi would consistently draw Sasuke well in front of the Shurikens...Especially more than twice but then all of a sudden after the Genjutsu Kishi started drawing Sasuke well behind the Shurikens like he originally was. Not to mention the disappearance of that Shuriken after the Genjutsu further proves my point that Kishi used these 2 factors to confirm it to us.

I'm curious to how you would respond.

I thought the manga made it pretty clear that Itachi was superior physically (in terms of speed) to the point where he near blitzed Sasuke to INITIATE Tsukuyomi. Everything after that was a Genjutsu. I believe Apex posted the scan. There's no need for Itachi to engage in Taijutsu with Neji, and even then, I don't see Neji completely dominating even though he has superior Taijutsu technique. Itachi was physically keeping up with Killer Bee and KCM Naruto; two vastly superior characters to Neji. Not to mention, he's already faster than Neji and has better pre-cognition abilities. And the part about the exploding clone wasn't so that Neji wouldn't see it. I know he would detect it. But he doesn't have the quick insight of a Sharingan to notice the hand seals. Hell, didn't the databook even say that Itachi's hand seal speed was so fast that not even the Sharingan can notice it? Neji won't even notice Itachi made a clone before he's already swapped and blown up.

- No he never even moved from his position let alone blitz...When you read my response to Apex you'll see it was all in a Genjutsu. Itachi is superior to Neji in terms of speed. He has a 5 and Neji has a 4.5 ..In Taijutsu they both have a 4.5 even though Neji naturally should have the edge since this is the art he trained in to the extent where he skipped a rank to the level of the Masters and we know Neji specializes in Taijutsu alone meaning it must be high leveled for him to pull such. Let's take a look at Kakashi and Gai..Gai dominates Kakashi in both speed and Taijutsu..He has a 5 in both speed and Taijutsu while Kakashi has a 4.5 in both. Yet it logically doesn't sound right to say Gai can outright blitz even Base Kakashi even though he's faster and outright superior. My point to why it's not a blitz like people make it seem and these 2 aren't far off to prove what I mean and are close to each other in the physical stats than Gai and Kakashi.

As soon as a clone is created, it becomes known instantly because it appears within the Byakugan's range and Neji knows there's an added party to which he can differentiate with his eyes...Itachi may be fast enough to create it but that won't change the natural speed of the clone. No reason why it would supposedly run to Neji and explode before Neji can defend himself or evade it. Plus Part 1 Kakashi despite not knowing could somehow tell Itachi's clone was going to explode when he saved Kurenai..Could this have been due to the insight of his eyes? Remember Neji could tell Deidara was focussing chakra in one point when he was going to explode his clone. This could have been a similar method but it doesn't really matter since that explosion doesn't suggest it can get past Neji's shield nor suggest that Jounin Neji can't evade it when Pt 1 Kakashi himself saved Kurenai from it and it doesn't suggest the clone itself can evade Air Palm which caught 30% Kisame and was described somewhat hard to anticipate. In regards to insight, the Byakugan surpasses the Sharingan which we know and then at a young age, Neji managed to follow 5G Lee's movement

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. Meanwhile realistically Itachi speed was too fast for water clone Kakashi who admitted it was due to the Shurikens that drew his attention..Sasuke even managed to match his hand speed in the middle panel

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Not firmly saying Neji wins like I was but I'm saying it's not a blitz or a stomp/low diff like you said initially. The location and CQC prevent this.