3T Itachi vs Neji
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That was a Genjutsu...We see after the Genjutsu that Itachi never ever moved from that position
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if it wasn't a Genjutsu, Sasuke was supposed to be held by the wall like he was and was supposed to be to the side of Itachi's chair
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..However we see that Sasuke in reality was right opposite the chair (Since Itachi was right in front of it)
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I already said this.
He just doesnt get it at all. Sharingan needs visual eye to eye contact! Bee shoes his eyes, if eyes are closed then the eyes are not shown and the object in front doesnt automatically disappear. lmao He is basically saying Neji in another city would be caught in a genjutsu even with multiple buildings and tree's in between the two just because neji can see through things. lol Plus its a fact Sharingan needs direct eye to eye contact, and the byakugan with something blocking obv isn't eye to eye whether superman or a hyuga can see them or not.
To him being able to directly see the pupils of bee's eyes because sunshades do not block the eye sight means they can cast genjutsu on anyone with blocked vision. lol He has no idea how the byakugan works what so ever. I'll have to break it down even more it would seem. And lets ignore the fact AO fought the best Uchiha genjutsu user with his eyes covered. lmao
Itachi wins this low-diff, his Taijutsu skills are good enough to fight with Neji, he also is a good tactical fighter, can
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. Not to mention Genjutsu skills and Katon techs
pateuvasiliu
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Why not? He can see through objects with Byakugan, he doesn't need his eyes open.
Itachi wins because he has Ninjutsu and he's smarter, but in a taijutsu fight he'd get wrecked.
Show me when the blitz happened? So I can understand what you're saying. There was never a Taijutsu fight in that battle. The Genjutsu started somewhere after the Shurikens where thrown or so.
Exactly...I pointed it to him that by his logic, Itach can hit Neji with a Genjutsu from the back of Neji's head. It's the Byakugan's ability entirely.
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Well shit, I forgot about the location and intel so this fight gets harder for Itachi, but anyways. Yes, I don't specifically think Itachi can blitz Neji in the literal meaning that people use the word blitz in. I just think Itachi is physically faster than Neji, even if by a little. As for the Genjutsu thing, I have two specific problems with this. The whole point of Genjutsu activation is making eye contact and the brain getting said information. So even if you put down a headband and see through it, you will still be seeing into Itachi's eyes and thus, the information that you are seeing Itachi's eyes will go into your brain, starting the Genjutsu. We've already seen that to start a Genjutsu, direct eye contact doesn't mean that at face value. As we have someone like Bee who's wearing dark shades and Sasuke couldn't exactly look into his eyes, but because Bee looked into Sasuke's eyes [
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] and that information went into his brain, he was caught in a Genjutsu. The point is that shades were an object that obstructed Sasuke's view into Bee's eyes and that thus, it wasn't actual direct eye contact.So yeah, the whole point is for the target to look into your eyes and get the information of doing so into the brain. Which is why seeing through the headband should still get caught you in a Genjutsu. Albeit, I'm not fully sure if this will work. Barely remember anything of the Naruto manga besides Sasori and Deidara chapters.
Air Palm is one directional, no? What I'm saying is that the clones Itachi makes should still have Itachi's Shunshin speed even if they don't have the full capability of his Ninjutsu. So a clone should still be able to dodge an Air Palm and get closer to Neji in order to blow up. A simple solution would be changing directions or ducking down to evade the strike in a similiar manner to how he evades Bee's attack [
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], but instead of jumping up, he should duck down under the Air Palm like he did against Sasuke's Shurikens. Although, throwing explosion tags from different directions should work, too. What I'm aiming for here is something like this. [
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] A fireball as an initial attack in order to bring Neji's attention to it and force him to defend against it while Itachi moves behind him like this and strikes his head with a kunai. Neji would react, but due to having to defend from the fireball prior to Itachi's second attack, a split-second faster striking movement than Neji's should result in something like this. [
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] Except with Neji getting not only his limbs sliced off - with a kunai in Itachi's case -, but also getting his throat slit. Basically, even if they are around the same speed, if Itachi is only a split-second faster than Neji it will result in Itachi delivering his blow and finishing off the match up. And Itachi's striking speed is immensely fast as he was capable of countering Bee's eight sword style with a single kunai. [
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] He repelled Bee's swords twelve times judging by the strike signs and with enough precision to do so with a kunai. The whole point of Bee's eight sword style is to attack the enemy with multiple swords at once and Itachi was fast enough to continously repel that. The same goes for his fight against Sasuke. [
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] He was able to kick Sasuke head on before Sasuke could even put up his arms to defend.The location is bad for that, yeah. Only noticed it now. Wasn't aiming for a hide and seek argumentation, but... Anyways, Crow Summonings should still work in Itachi's favour though since he could replicate what Aoba did against Kakuzu and Hidan to force Neji to fight off crows from different sides. This would allow Itachi to move even faster than Neji since he wouldn't have to deal with crows and will be able move through them to his target just fine just like Aoba was able to and how he was able to against Sasuke. And I don't really see how the crows should obstruct Itachi's kunai since Itachi has shown specific technique that involves bouncing kunai off of each other and directly hit hidden targets that are obstructed by trees or different things.
I am suggesting the Tsuikyomi was initiated in the bottom right panel [
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]. It was emphasised by the previous panel being the MS and following one being Itachi and Sasuke making eye contact. So the blitz had already happened right there, and everything after that was Genjutsu.
Forbidden Technique
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Shades are what you would call a medium. You're missing my point. I'm saying since the Byakugan has x-ray vision and can perfectly fight and see through their eyelids as if their eyes were open (according to Draegod), then if Neji looks directly at Itachi's eye's while he initiates genjutsu, Neji shouldn't be immune to it. The Byakugans 360 insight ability is active regardless if their eyes were closed or not, so if they didn't have a focus point, then a Hyuga would be completely immune to genjutsu - which obviously isn't the case. Though thinking about it now, why didn't Hinata see through Tobi's mask, if they have perfect x-ray vision? Going by real world fact, as Draegod puts it, you can't see someones eyes through dark shades. Certaintly not from a good 5+ meters distance away. Sasuke and Itachi couldn't of known where exactly Bee's eyes were looking at, but by initiating the visual genjutsu, Bee was caught the moment he gazed into their eyes.
Edit: Oh, I see what you're saying now. Their eyes focus point has nothing to do with the Byakugan, I'm presuming? So if they close their eyes, they lose that focus. If that's true, then I'll concede on that. I still think Itachi and his skillset are still way too much for Neji though.
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Transcendence
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I thought the manga made it pretty clear that Itachi was superior physically (in terms of speed) to the point where he near blitzed Sasuke to INITIATE Tsukuyomi. Everything after that was a Genjutsu. I believe Apex posted the scan. There's no need for Itachi to engage in Taijutsu with Neji, and even then, I don't see Neji completely dominating even though he has superior Taijutsu technique. Itachi was physically keeping up with Killer Bee and KCM Naruto; two vastly superior characters to Neji. Not to mention, he's already faster than Neji and has better pre-cognition abilities. And the part about the exploding clone wasn't so that Neji wouldn't see it. I know he would detect it. But he doesn't have the quick insight of a Sharingan to notice the hand seals. Hell, didn't the databook even say that Itachi's hand seal speed was so fast that not even the Sharingan can notice it? Neji won't even notice Itachi made a clone before he's already swapped and blown up.
Wait, you were serious?
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The thing is, all the speed feats used here were done by sick and blind Itachi. Actually, let me borrow a quote.
So even if Itachi was deadly sick in this fight, feats determine he has more than enough capability to take out Neji. People underrate Itachi because the term sick sounds bad but don't seem to realize Itachi was fighting against Hebi Sasuke at least on equal grounds while sick and not using his full power. And Neji is not Hebi Sasuke, but much less.
Uh what?
When was he actually keeping up with Hebi Sasuke physically? He got distracted Hebi once which may or may not have already been in tsukuyomi anyways. Fact is he was pawned by a shurikan, and couldn't avoid basic Katons.
Not is it only that Itachi kept up with him, but Sasuke didn't
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. And can you imagine, Sharingan was supposed to see your handseals no matter how fast they were?What are you talking about? Itachi has dodged every single one of his Katon in the fight. Even when his leg got wounded. If I recall correctly, Sasuke failed to dodge his Katon.
He failed to dodge the shuriken because of the Tsukuyomi backlash and even then he was moving pretty nice (dodged Chidori and Katon point blank).
And lastly, Neji has still much to catch up to Sasuke.