3rd Hokage is the strongest hokage?
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You are actually right 1st would of kicked 3rd hokages ass rather to add the 2nd.
Your right too Oro wasn't even doing anything i mean he could have just used the 1st to get Hiruzen by wood and the 2nd to do some kinda water jutsu then when Hiruzen would be dodging it he could just stab Hiruzen with the snake sword,but he said he wanted to see the 3rd's reaper death seal jutsu so he can master it LOL.
Hold on so you are saying 1st used all of his forbidden wood style.... Thats stupid Oro knew very little the 1st and 2nd's jutsu.Because you know how Old that is he couldn't command the 1st or 2nd to do something he didn't know.
Lol dude Tsukuyomi47 is the biggest Hiruzen fan ever he might say he can beat the S06P.
Haha dude just give up just give....
No its actually Minato> Hashirama> Hiruzen> Tobriame> Tsunade should have been Kakashi or Danzo then Tsunade but so sad.U_U
I do too dude i do too lol.
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mandara uchiha
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we dont know if the third would have been able to take down madara b/c HE NEVER FOUGHT HIM!!! damn why does everybody bring that up. plus madara was permanetly weakened after his fight with the 1st hokage. if anythin the 1st did work and minato just cleaned up his scraps. Madara stated himself that his prime was in the time of the fight of the 1st hokage and he never got back to that point of strenght until he got the rinnegan. :flaw:
Hiruzen is the strongest hokage period, he fought the first and second hokage, please people stop saying they were weak because they where not; the summoning impure world resurrection -Upon awakening they retain their personality, memories, and all abilities they had in life. narutopedia people please bookmark it. the four hokage is the second strongest and the the first and the second, fifth in that order. this is not hard just read people- half the people posting has only watch half of naruto and ae just guessing, tell others about narutopedai it will help for better treads and posts
Itachi Namikaze
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BS, Minato would have wrecked everyone there in that fight. He had alot of chakra, better summons, was faster, better at sealing jutsu (which guess what is one of the best ways to take out IWR ninjas and Oro), and had ST jutsus.
So show me how Minato wasn't better equipped to fight that fight than Hiruzen and I'll show you a fanboy with no logic. (maybe you if you have the audacity to argue this because it would be illogical and have no grounds to stand on)
As a sidenote Minato probably can take out all of the other Hokages. Not at the same time of course but individually they have nothing to stop him with. Tobirama has the best chance because he is also a ST user although he wasn't as advanced as Minato according to the manga. His combination of unparalleled speed, intelligence, and awesome jutsu make him near unbeatable.
I can only see three ninjas with the ability to take him on successfully and they are Nagato (only if he is using the 6 paths), Itachi (only because of his MS abilities), and Madara (because he steals other people's abilities gat dam him). And Minato has a solid chance against all of these people, other than Madara I can see Minato coming out even with both Itachi and Nagato. Which is more impressive given that he does not have an OP Kekkei genkai like the others or 2 insane KG like Madara (who has to steal them!)
EDIT: I love how people say Hiruzen is the best because he fought the first and second and "won" although he didn't win at all all he did was reach a stalemate. First off Oro did nothing in that fight. Oro could have killed him like 100 times in that fight but instead was just taunting Hiruzen. Secondly the IWR's were under Oro's direct control so they could only do stuff that he made them do. Hiruzen should have been dead in the very beginning but Oro wanted to mess with him. I mean Oro had a kunai to his neck, and then stabbed it into his hand instead because he didn't want to kill Hiruzen that fast. Oro wanted Hiruzen to know what he was and what he had become and why he was doing this.
And I am 100% sure that Minato would have won that fight much easier than Hiruzen(even though Hiruzen didn't win) and Tobirama could have won, with the only one I see maybe pulling a draw at worst is Hashirama because he doesn't have sealing like Minato and doesn't have IWR like Tobirama.
Hiruzen is easily one of the most overrated characters in the manga. All we hear about him is hype but all that we have seen from him is not that awesome. He had no special abilities, what he was known for was mastering the basic jutsu of only his village. He was strong but I would be loath to put him in my top ten strongest. He probably is top 15.
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ki11er Yoda
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Re: 3rd Hokage is the strongest hokage?
1. Minato
2. Third Hokage
3. 1st Hokage
4. Tsunade
5. 2nd Hokage
1. Minato
2. Third Hokage
3. 1st Hokage
4. Tsunade
5. 2nd Hokage
Itachi Namikaze
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Tobirama was way stronger than Tsunade. Way stronger. I think Tobirama was actually stronger than Hashirama as well. The only thing Hashirama was known for was his mokuton. Tobirama was actually a really good ninja who invented a bunch of jutsus and had a huge variety of abilities. Personally I think it goes like this
1.Minato
2.Tobirama
3/4.Hiruzen/Hashirama
5.Tsunade
If Danzo counted than Tsunade would be below him as well. She might be fairly good compared to regular shinobi but you can't compare her to the other Hokages in terms of combat.
you speak of logic,but i see none :lili:
Obviously,minato would have been better equipped to fight that fight,since he was much younger than sarutobi,who was 68 years old.Minato would have possessed more chakra,he would have been quicker to react than a old guy(regardless of his natural speed/reaction advantages)
you call the other guy a fanboy,when you are obviously hyping up minato to the extreme, while analyzing tobirama and harishima,whose abilities we literally don't know much about.I could turn it around and say that minato had problems with a crippled madara,who was a shell of his former self,while harishima spanked the strongest uchiha who has ever lived(at his best).Harishima and tobirama were from the strongest clan in history,and they defeated their rivals the uchihas(ems,ms,sharingan).So, obviously a guy like harishima knows more that "wood" right?It shows again how biased you are...
Even the mighty itachi couldn't defeat madara.He wouldn't have made the deal with him when he knew of madara's plans with konoha, and especially when madara had the tools/knowledge to break sasuke,and make him into a mental patient.
again this is your opinion,and you have a right to it as long as you know that it's pure speculation,although,minato was an all time great and he would have put up afight against anybody.People could make a case for him being the strongest.
Actually, the third hokage did win, since orochimaru's objection was to take over konoha and he failed.Sure, hiruzen died in the process, but he still protected konoha by sealing not only the two first hokages,but more importantly oro's arms.Let me remind you again he was 68 years old,and kishi made it clear through the commentary of the fight, sarutobi was a shell of his former self(oro,anbu,enma).Still his chakra was so strong that he and oro messed up the roof.
You can't change the facts,and fact was that oro failed.Danzo should have killed sasuke when he had him frozen,kakuzu shouldn't have been fooled by the naruto clone,neji deactivated his byakugan,etc... I think you get the picture....
Lol, are you kishi's right hand man? Unless you are a psychic i really doubt you can ever be a 100% sure
Obviously, it would have been a different battle since its a new opponent, so orochimaru would have made a different gameplan...duhAs i said earlier, we don't know much about the abilities of the former kages so your point is not valid.
So,the author himself overrates his own character?You are the one who are determined to underrate the third hokage when it has been stated that he was the strongest kage in his prime(databooks,interviews,manga...fact).Not saying you can't make a case for the others, but it would be ignorant to ignore the facts.
Please tell where i can read that hiruzen only mastered the basic jutsus of his village
?He has 5 in taijutsu,genjutsu,and ninjutsu....Hiruzen was taught by harishima and tobirama, he produced the legendary sannin,known as both the professor and the god of shinobi,and he was the kage with longest peace period in konoha's history.Nobody else was strong enough to take over the kage position when minato died, and the most impressive thing is he did this without any overpowered KG.
Finally, The 68 years old man we saw had troubles making clones,and you are crying about seeing nothing from him, lol, i could understand if you saw a gaiden and then wasn't impressed with what he had to offer.
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It sucks because i don't think we'll ever see Hiruzen fighting in his prime
Its quite the debatable topic when it comes to the most powerful Hokage, but i do believe the 3rd has been cited by the most people to be the strongest. Then i think right behind him would be the 1st.
Its quite the debatable topic when it comes to the most powerful Hokage, but i do believe the 3rd has been cited by the most people to be the strongest. Then i think right behind him would be the 1st.
Itachi Namikaze
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Minato was better equipped jutsu wise. What is one of the only weaknesses to IWR? Sealing, and who is a master of sealing jutsu? Minato, there is my logic. And he is faster so the battle would have ended much quicker.
I am going with what we know about them and what we have seen. Hashirama was famous for mokuton which would be almost useless against someone with Minato's speed and ST jutsus. And Minato clearly did not have trouble with a "crippled Madara" since he did not even take a hit and trounced Madara in every way possible, even taking away the fox from him. And it is highly unlikely that Madara ever had his ST techniques when he fought Hashirama (if this even is Madara, which I doubt, and which would nullify your arguments anyway) because there is just no way to beat Madara's ST unless you have faster ST or you lay a trap and have intricate knowledge of his abilities. We haven't even seen his EMS which probable means he doesn't have it anymore and that these are different sharingan (again if that even is Madara and this person ever had EMS) so his ST wouldn't have been around back then.
How do you know Itachi couldn't defeat him? He never tried as far as I am aware. And this still is only applicable if it even is Madara, which I seriously doubt.
I know it is my opinion but looking at other people's abilities there just isn't anyone who can make a serious stand against him other than the strongest ever like the people I mentioned.
Well Oro's goal was to destroy Konoha, not take it over. And sealing his arms didn't do much to stop Oro anyway. Messing up the roof means nothing and I don't understand your point about that. Hiruzen used four jutsu and was basically out of chakra.
I am that sure because Minato was much better equipped than Hiruzen for that battle. You can argue all you want but ST jutsu, speed, and most importantly sealing jutsu were the best jutsus for that battle.Lol, are you kishi's right hand man? Unless you are a psychic i really doubt you can ever be a 100% sure
As i said earlier, we don't know much about the abilities of the former kages so your point is not valid.
I am just going with what I see and understand of their abilities. Yes it said he was the strongest of the five kages in his prime but that was before Shippuden and honestly I don't see any way for Hiruzen to stand against some of the people in Part 2.
Basic as in nothing that requires a KG, no KG obviously, no other summons than his, no Hidden jutsu of clans, nothing that he wouldn't have known about like rasengan, no forbidden jutsu like IWR, nothing that required and element he didn't know, he didn't have ST jutsu, and learned Death Reaper seal from Minato. So yeah there was a lot he didn't know considering that Konoha is made up of almost only Hidden abilities of clans or KG or summons. Am I wrong in that assessment?Please tell where i can read that hiruzen only mastered the basic jutsus of his village
Minato and Tobirama had no KG either. And Hiruzen's reign of peace was only possible because he let really bad things happen on his watch. He let Oro escape, he let the Uchiha massacre happen, he let the Hidden cloud take Hizashi because he wanted to avert war, even though it was the cloud's fault. He was either a lazy Hokage or he was willing to sacrifice other people to maintain the peace during his reign.
Well Jiraiya was only a decade younger when he fought Pain. And Jiraiya was extremely strong. Onoki is a lot older than Hiruzen was when he fought Oro and Onoki is still super strong. Ever since shippuden has come out Hiruzen has looked weaker and weaker.
agree with you that minato probably can beat any character other than madara and eventually naruto and sasuke(main characters) but hiruzen from what we have seen is a much weaker form than he was in his prime, i am sure kishi might give some sort of flashback on the hokages to actually show why hiruzen is called god of shinobi, ppl just don't call u that 4 fun he got the title for his immense prowess, i highly doubt he can beat minato but still i think we have to wait b4 fully discussing him cos even kishi said that he was one of the two strongest dead ninja and other was minato.
Itachi Namikaze
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dude are u serious hashirama is better than tobirama, we don't all info on hahsirama's abilities but the guy beat madara with ems who was controlling the fox you are seriously underrating the guy, tobirama is amazing but even madara stated that hashirama was the tsrongest ninja of the time not tobirama and madara is amazing himself that even oonoki is scared of him and hashirama is the guy who beat him and beat him so bad that madara could not even recover for many decades, mokuton is probably not his only ability(he has great taijutsu and even genjutsu) and his mokuton might is definitely more capable than yamato so don't compare them directly.
oh really some kid gave me a link i thought it was legit but still doesn't change the fact that he is strong enough to be called the god of shinobi, recognized as the strongest of his generation, he probably would lose to minato who is one of the greatest ninja in the series so far though.
Itachi Namikaze
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But Tobirama is massively underrated. He was a genius! He invented IWR, had ST jutsu, was a sensor like Minato, and was the best water user ever. He also had the Thunder God Sword or whatever. He made up a lot of jutsu and was completely awesome. Had he been willing to use his "forbidden jutsu" I think he could beat Hashirama.
And once again we know nothing about how strong Hashirama was. Or Madara. All we know is some of their abilities and what we have seen in the Oro-Hiruzen fight.
Actually Hashirama's taijutsu was subpar compared to other people of kage level. I mean a 68 year old Hiruzen fought both the first and second on equal footing in taijutsu (only taijutsu). I know that they were weaker but their taijutsu woudn't be affected from the direct control of Oro, just the amount of jutsu that they can use is limited to what Oro knew about and told them to do.
Plus Hashirama might have been a perfect counter to whatever Madara's EMS abilities were. Every MS and EMS is different so he wouldn't have had Susanoo, and Amaterasu, and Tsukuyomi unless he was Sasuke's great grandfather or something. Madara's EMS ability could have been to control the fox? Who knows? We don't know so that fight means nothing to me. Especially since I believe that this isn't even Madara now.
sasuke's great grandpa i would lol if that happened though, yea tobirama is great he had s/t(lvl unknown though) IWR(low lvl), best water user and overall one amazingly strong ninja. But you gotta undersatnd that madara was terrifyingly strong no matter what his abilities were9we kno he had great genjutsu techs cos he did control the 9 tails fox), he was the leader of the one of the two strongest clans so was hashirama, i would say tobirama would be close to as strong but not at his lvl, madara even stated hashirama was the strongest ninja at the time which has to pretty great feat and like i said b4 madara is strong he was feared by oonoki and even the nine tails hyped him up so the guy who beat him i believe had to be mad strong, tobirama is great but i don't see feats like that from him however i do want to see all the hokages abilities in some flashback or something cos of all this hype they must show their strength. And the edos by oro was not complete they got hit by a paper bomb u think kage lvl ninjas would get hit by somehting like that so easily. BUt tobirama is underrated i think all 1-4 hokages are better than other kages of their generation we kno for a fact that the 1st(likely was), 3rd and 4th were the strongest kages but i am also positive for tobirama too the guy created one of the techs that is pretty much one of the biggest obstacles for alliance right now and he had s/t and the best water user he is definitely strong i would not deny that.
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