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Yes it is you who is assuming. You're assuming Ace had this exponential growth from the time he fought Jinbei until he died. I've clearly acknowledged his growth rate is an assumption on any end. If you can't see or won't admit your own assumptions then there's nothing left to discuss because...

Was on the Gaemstop website and came across this https://www.gamestop.com/video-games/playstation-3/games/products/red-faction-guerrilla/10071750.html Lol DIO's taking over everything.

You think that's something, have you forgot the original Kaido tease?

There's also Brook was captured by long arms which Apoo is and both are musical based in attacks.

Could be but that'd be a dangerous assumption in a fight. He is a captain and a Super Nova after all. I wouldn't assume he's unskilled, not the best but not terrible either.

Yeah that stops his DF but how do you block his fists,gun or sword while your hands are over your ears? Honestly after some thought Apoo might be a top 5 within the Worst Gen.

In the discussion a couple of chapters ago I mentioned Brook might end up fighting Apoo this arc and after this last chapter I think it's even more likely. Apoo's attacks only hit if you hear his music. Now obviously Brook hears things but he has no ear or muscle or anything, do you think this...

So if there were 100,000 people in a 5 x 5 room you think Luffy would knock out the same amount of people as Shanks would or WB would have? I don't think so, there has to be levels of Conq. Haki. No way Luffy who just learned how to use it can do so as strongly as someone who has used it for...

Who said anything about stopping training or not growing? When rebutting try to stay on the point of the argument. I said it's absurd to assume(as you are doing) that there's this great gap in power between the Ace who fought Jinbei and the Ace who died at MF. Did Ace grow, obviously but we...

That's not really what I was saying.... If Luffy was able to KO 50,000 fishmen being weaker than top tiers how many people do you think top tiers could KO with their conq. haki? You think Shanks could only KO 50,000 as well or more? 1591242615 Yeah not really what I said and people of...

Ace only lived a few years after the encounter with Jinbei and was being offered a seat as a Shichibukai around the same time. Ace may not have been AS strong as he was when he died but I think it'd be unreasonable to try and say he was significantly weaker. Akainu's stronger than Fuji...

That doesn't mean that other people who are stronger and have had it longer wouldn't have a stronger conq. haki unless Oda said Luffy's was the most powerful ever, I didn't read the skill card though so I don't know I might be wrong.

1st part yeah, 2nd part nah.

Stumbled across an interesting guy. I honestly don't remember him at all. Now if you search paramecia on the wikia it has him in the list yet on his page it has no mention of him having a DF. For those who like me don't remember he has the ability to pull a mallet, possibly other things as...

I was on the wikia and saw this Ten Titanic Captains Admiral Blackbeard Pirates Marshall D. Teach Jesus Burgess Shiryu Van Augur Avalo Pizarro Laffitte Catarina Devon Sanjuan Wolf Vasco Shot Doc Q It's a...

I know this has been discussed and I know there's the panel of Fuji eating the noodles and calling down the meteor but after rewatching the roulette scene where Luffy and he meet I think I've come up with something. I think Fujitora uses the sword to channel his power and when he doesn't use...

Well I do think Zoro is stronger by how much can't really say but I don't think Sanji would have been able to destroy Pica's Golem as easily and I don't really know what feat from Sanji we could really use to get an accurate comparison. Jinbei has better durability/defense feats I feel taking...

Do you think there is a difference in power level between the different colors of armament haki? I.e. Black (a la most users), Purple (a la Vergo, Pica etc) and Invisible (a la Sentomaru and theoretically top tiers during MF and earlier parts of the manga) Also where would we put Luffy's...

Looking back I noticed we had indicators about two of Luffy's haki development early on and it got me wondering if we've missed the indicator about his advanced form of armament haki? Ok so first before we knew Conq. Haki made weaker enemies pass out we saw Luffy unknowingly use conq. haki...

Right now, not counting Luffy? Jinbei or Zoro. I'm slightly inclined to say Jinbei at this point because he's had more years of practice/training and is most likely closer to his peak than Zoro who still has room to grow and grows at a crazy rate just like the rest of the original monster trio...