iSpeak the Truth
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Well then you're probably outside bitching and judging someone else then.Riiiight, you got me. That's why my post count is so damn high because I spend all day on my computer.
Sasuke is one of the most selfless people.
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LolChidori
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I sort of agree. Its just, to me; see, I love Sasuke, but even I can say that he tends to stab himself with his own dagger- I wish he didn't do that, but to be quite honest, he's only pursuing his path as an avenger. To be able to acquire what you want... You must make ultimate sacrifices. Albeit, he is following a dark path; but it's the same as doing whatever you can to meet goals in the light.... Only on the opposite end of the hemospectrum. If only every one else in the narutoverse saw it in such a way, if things were in the past- his actions can be justified. But they truly only care about the mayhem he has caused, and the present events. People are not sympathetic toward another persons personal distraught/qualms. And of course... Like I always say, hatred is to be endured, not understood- Just like love. If these people cannot endure his world, they cannot agree with him. The people who understand his darkness can only lend him their own moral support and try to lecture him the path he's walking down. Sasuke is very misunderstood, and people tend to have his personality and actions as a character get in the way of their opinions of his abilities. He Isn't utterly selfish, that is not the correct term to describe him. He's simply the victim and the murderer in such a picture.. And he always does things for a reason. Tell me..... If a person thought what they were doing was wrong, would they be doing it? Sasuke does things by his own choice, how he thinks he can cleanse his name, and find relief from his burdens.. Somehow.
He obviously feels distraught every second of his life alive. Tormented by the memories of that night, and the lies... I wouldn't be surprised if he felt the urge to eradicate the entire planet. I feel for him. I really do.
He obviously feels distraught every second of his life alive. Tormented by the memories of that night, and the lies... I wouldn't be surprised if he felt the urge to eradicate the entire planet. I feel for him. I really do.
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Fearmonger
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Fusion Reborn
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Kayloblaze
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Who's judging? I just said I think you're trolling for a debate like I always see you do in threads. As long as it's civil to each his own I guess. I already stated my opinion of sasuke (and every uchiha except Itachi) so I'm gone.
Its not called being selfless its called being immature. Regardless of how you look at it he is immature. It is not until Itachi left Edo Tensei that he has grown up. He knows the truth but he just wants a reason to attack konoha or save it. I understand what you are saying and he is his own person but if it was Hitler or Bin Laden would you still say they are selfless? They might not have had their entire family murdered but they still acted the way Sasuke is, by using others to justify mass murder.
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iSpeak the Truth
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Actually Hitler(Danzo), who ordered the elimination of the Jews(Uchiha) got the easy way out and killed himself. I wish there was someone like Sasuke in real life who got revenge by killing Hitler 10 times over, like Sasuke killed Danzo.
x EroSennin x
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Wow. I am going to give iSpeak the Truth props! Never have i seen a person on the forum I disagree with more lol but you have a gift. I have watched you stack the odds up against yourself so consistently ( by that i mean you stick to your guns from beginning to end even when your bias is dead wrong ) but at the same time you create some of the most controversial and laughable threads to read through for me. + rep!
LolChidori
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Im not justifying Danzo and I am not comparing them. What I meant was in real life do you think if you heard Hitler and Osama Bin Laden story would you still call them selfless? Sasuke wants to avenge by killing. Murder is Murder no matter you look at it. Everyone knows right from wrong the problem is how they themselves determine what is right and wrong. Look at the Crusaders, they murdered so many people because all other beliefs were wrong. The Crusaders knew they were doing their dietys work. But does that mean it is justified? Should all those people died because of what their murders thought was right?
Twisted007
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Correct!
Sasuke lost everything and can't let go. He wants Konoha feel the same pain as he is feeling. Is it selfish? YES. But its also understandble and most people would react the same way.
iSpeak the Truth
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Your comparisons don't relate.
I'll say this, you can call Sasuke evil, insane, immature, impulsive, treachourous. But he is loyal to his clan and family, and he is not selfish by a long shot. The sheer amount of times he has put his life in danger for what happened to them is proof of that. He even turned down eternal power in the beginning, he didn't want to commit acts that Itachi didn't want to see with his eyes and turned them down. That is not the act of a self serving man, it can only be deemed as noble.
Later.....when Obito had pushed him to blindness, he had no choice but to accept them.
How do they not relate? Bottom line Sasuke wants to kill and the comparisons above are about killing and looking at both sides. One of them being the killer and the other killed. What I am trying to to tell you is that no matter what you want to say about him if he continues to kill the way he intends to he will be a murder. Once you have the taste of blood and the satisfaction of taking a life you will not stop. There is no comparison. If he does kill inocent people it doesnt justify him as selfless. The problem with people today is the fact they lack morals. Right now Sasuke is in his transistional period where he will determine and finalize his morals. He can make a turn around or he can keep going the same direction that he is in. Ultimately it is his decision(well kishi's). Let's say he goes full on evil and kills all of Konoha is he still selfless? Right now he still is considered selfless for stabbing Karin. She has only helped him and he did stab her for no reason but his own to kill Danzo and by definition that is selfish. Look Im not saying I dont like Sasuke I do. But right now he has probably the biggest decision of his life coming up and whatever he decides he will become a great warrior. The question really is what warrior will he become.
iSpeak the Truth
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I'm not saying he isn't a murderer, but he isn't selfish. Karin was told not to move, her vital organs were avoided and Danzo's were hit. She lived. Later, at Obito's suggestion, he decided to kill her only because she knew too much about him, killing to conceal information. Which makes him a killer no doubt, not selfish.
PureSkillz
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Wth.. How is he not selfish? Have you been following a different series?
How many innocent people who know absolutely nothing about the Uchiha massacre are
going to die if Sasuke destroys it?
Killing the elders involved would be reasonable.
Destroying the village isn't, therefore it's selfish.
How many innocent people who know absolutely nothing about the Uchiha massacre are
going to die if Sasuke destroys it?
Killing the elders involved would be reasonable.
Destroying the village isn't, therefore it's selfish.
Twin Steps
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Sasuke is selfish because he's trying to kill people who had nothing to do with the killings. He's just jealous of their happiness and wants them sad. If anything, the only person who sasuke should hate is =Itachi, since he willingly went along with the plan.
GiantShuriken
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honestly, sasuke is a good person at heart. for him to become the person he is now took a lot of sacrifice. i am sure when he grew up he would have liked nothing more than to just have a happy little life making friends and girlfriends. with his talent and skills he could have easily become a jounin or anbu someday and also he could have had *** with every girl in his class. but he threw that away because he loved his family so much that he was willing to turn into a cold blooded killer to avenge them no matter how much pain and solitude it cost him.