If Naruto didn't have Kurama

[Kurama2012]

there is no point in questioning if naruto didnt have kyuubi the manga is based on a boy with a demon if naruto didnt have kyuubi everything would be different and it would be wrong to assume that naruto would be weaker seeing how this manga is about him so he would have another power source. and if uchiha fanboys have to take kyuubi away from naruto to make him look weak then thats just sad as they are just trying to make excuses for when naruto beats sasuke, and i could easily say sasuke without sharingan is weak but there is no point because he does have sharingan like naruto has the kyuubi

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

haku would bitchslap him.

 

[Xlad]

there is no point in questioning if naruto didnt have kyuubi the manga is based on a boy with a demon if naruto didnt have kyuubi everything would be different and it would be wrong to assume that naruto would be weaker seeing how this manga is about him so he would have another power source. and if uchiha fanboys have to take kyuubi away from naruto to make him look weak then thats just sad as they are just trying to make excuses for when naruto beats sasuke, and i could easily say sasuke without sharingan is weak but there is no point because he does have sharingan like naruto has the kyuubi

This. "Haters gonna hate" as usual. I am not taking away any ability given to any characters, regardless of sources. Naruto and Sasuke worked to get to the top-tier list. They have a balance of given abilities and training them.

I'm just comparing to what I think like a wikia. Everything they can do, it's posted in the "Abilities" section in the wikia. Biased opinions like Naruto or Sasuke is only powerful because of Kyuubi chakra or Itachi's eyes are just gibberish are not to be posted in the wikia. You are only suppose to put what they can do, and it has to be unbiased and straight from manga, not based on personal opinions.

But if I had to choice, it's the second option.

 

[NarutoSageUzumaki]

Whoever the **** said fodder should eat a ****


he would still have Sage mode and Toad Summons ... he would still have all of his techniques and would be able to stay in sage mode longer cuz he would not be able to merge with the toads


so he would be even stronger than jiraya who is in the top 15 in the manga

 

[Khallil]

doesn't matter, as long he has the will of fire inside him!

 

[Honord Sage]

This tread is irrelevant sines it's obvious Kishi meant for Naruto and Kurama to be one from the beginning. It be a totally different series if it were not and may never attracted the following it now has. Dealing it our Demons is part of Human nature and Naruto has one bigger than most of us.Thats the drama in this story. As Stan Lee said in Spiderman "With great power comes great responsibility."

 

[psukkar]

ppl need to understand one thing.

Naruto couldn't use his chakra very well because he had the fox in him which was explained in part 1. This is why he hasn't got good chakra control.

Also naruto's sage mode would be stronger without the fox as he would have been able to fuse with his summons for no time limit. But at the same time having the fox in him made train his chakra control lot and handled natural energy that much better and became the frist onbe to mast sage mode.

So u cant say naruto would be weak with or without the fox because naruto had to grow up with the fox and it affected hios body.

The truth is we don't know what kishi would have done with naruto's powers if he didn't have the fox. Anoither thing naruto couldn't train without some1 surpressing the fox at one point if u all recall.

There are many factors so the uchiha fanboys can just stop the hate crap because u aren't true manga fans

 

[TheHokage]

He'd be dead
vs Haku
lost to Kiba
f'd up vs neji

Sasuke stay in the village thanks to Naruto not being on his lvl

Lee defeats Gaara and probably win the chuunin exams thnx to plot not having Naruto defeat Gaara.

lots of change without Kurama

Your an idiot, the unbiased one my ass.

Lost to Kiba...he only had problems with Kiba because Orochimaru did something to his seal preventing him from using chakra properly, Lee would of still been owned by Garra.

 

[osba]

sage mode is insanely powerfull too lol

 

[osba]

naruto could fuse with ma and pa so who knows what he could do with them 3 fusing

 

[BodyFlicker]

he sure as hell wouldnt be shit/fodder, but without the kyuubi his personality would be drastically different as well. id say maybe about rock lee's strength? with a personality like kiba's maybe.

Nice avatar and signature bro..

 

[Fearmonger]

Naruto didn't get Kurama because Minato died. He got Kurama because his dad thought it would do him good while he grew. So the only thing that would change is Minato's thinking. He would have died along with Kushina and Kurama would still be rampant.

 

[Robot Boy]

Its a pointless thread. Without naruto and kurama together their wouldn't be a show or manga to begin with. Kurama is a part of naruto's development and growth. <-opinion.

 

[BodyFlicker]

there is no point in questioning if naruto didnt have kyuubi the manga is based on a boy with a demon if naruto didnt have kyuubi everything would be different and it would be wrong to assume that naruto would be weaker seeing how this manga is about him so he would have another power source. and if uchiha fanboys have to take kyuubi away from naruto to make him look weak then thats just sad as they are just trying to make excuses for when naruto beats sasuke, and i could easily say sasuke without sharingan is weak but there is no point because he does have sharingan like naruto has the kyuubi

Excellent reply

 

[Robot Boy]

there is no point in questioning if naruto didnt have kyuubi the manga is based on a boy with a demon if naruto didnt have kyuubi everything would be different and it would be wrong to assume that naruto would be weaker seeing how this manga is about him so he would have another power source. and if uchiha fanboys have to take kyuubi away from naruto to make him look weak then thats just sad as they are just trying to make excuses for when naruto beats sasuke, and i could easily say sasuke without sharingan is weak but there is no point because he does have sharingan like naruto has the kyuubi

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This.

 

[Lucci]

Well if he didn't have Kurama, then I'm assuming minato and kushina wouldn't have died. So Naruto would have been trained by Kakashi, Minato, Jiraiya and Kushina.

Along with Sage Mode and rasengan, he'd probably have FTG, sealing techniques and a wider variety of jutsu. So he'd still be a beast! easily stronger than the 5 kages IMO. Let's also not forget he'd be able to fuse with ma and pa, so he can spam the rasen shuriken's like theres no tomorrow.

He wouldn't be as strong as he is now, because current Naruto can just blast anyone with several bijuu dama's, but he'd be very strong.

 

[minatoisagod]

well he wouldn't know what true suffering and pain were and wouldn't be as strong. He would still have his large chakra capacity and yes he would meet jman since his godfather would visit, but he wouldn't understand ppl like gaara and nagato like he did nor sasuke.

 

[BlackBison]

Lets keep certain events in the naruto timeline and for now drop the timeline of shippuden. Also this is mainly about naruto, so i will not include what would happen to sasuke since this has nothing to do with him.

If naruto parents were alive that means kushina is still the host of the ninetails and lets assume that unlock the new naruto movie that minato is still the hokage. The main of naruto's chakra comes from the fact that the minato designed naruto's seal to allow the ninetails chakra to gradually mix with naruto's own chakra. This caused naruto to have way more chakra than he would ever have. Naruto would in fact learn rasengan since minato would have taught him that. He would also have made the contract with the toads like jiryai and later minato. Naruto however would be unable to summon someone of gamabunta level since even now he has trouble summoning gamabunta without the use of the ninetails chakra. This means the summoning of ma and pa are out the question since they require more chakra than gamabunta to summon. This makes it highly unlikely that he would ever actually be able to learn sage jutsu at this moment in his life.

Naruto would never have learned the shadow clone justu because mizuki(think that is his name) would never have asked him to steal the scroll. This puts a cap on naruto's ability since most of his move sets come from using shadow clones and all of his strategies involve the usage of shadow clones. This puts naruto not being able to use rasengan like he does. He would eventually be able to use rasengan but not until maybe the start of the shippuden timeline. Naruto would likely never have learned the FTG since minato was the only person able to actually use this justu by himself.

So from what i can tell naruto would not be a fodder but he would not be anywhere near his current power ranking.

 

[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

This means sasuke would have itachi and shishui to train him

 

[MirrorWheelEyes]

There is a simple way to end this discussion: Naruto without kurama is the same as sasuke with without sharingan. or any other shinobi beeing excluded from their legacy. their historiy is a part of who they are.... So naruto is the kyuubi jinchuriki. sasuke is the uchiha avenger. Why try to demean their birthright, their struggle, their shinobi way..... the whole discussion is mute. becose if you say naruto is shit without kurama, you also have to strip all other shinobi from their legacy to make it fair. good luck trying to map the naruto universe from that point of view. Why even bother reading the manga, if you just prefer to let your mind wander in an alternativ narutoverse?