If Naruto didn't have Kurama

Naruto without Kurama is

  • As strong as he is now vs Obito/Madara

    Votes: 38 17.8%
  • Not as strong but still amongs the strongest Ninjas !

    Votes: 136 63.8%
  • Fodder

    Votes: 39 18.3%

  • Total voters
    213

The Alchemist

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He would not have learned SM if his parents were still alive.

Why wouldn't he? Minato himself could've learned SM, hell we don't know. Fact is Naruto has the same contract summoning as his father, the same speed and immense chakra reserves, and was able to learn Rasengan in a week! It took Minato years to come up with that tech.
Naruto without Kurama would be arguably a smarter and much more well rounded shinobi making him far more dangerous than he is now (excluding BM/KM).
 

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Naruto without Kyuubi would be like Minato. Able to use TFG and still having absurd stamina. He'd likely be more grown up and serious, less hasty and more like his Dad. Overall power is less. He'd have no desire to become Hokage, because he'd have never been made fun of. He'd probably be with Sakura since Sakura likes the "cool, quiet" guys. Hinata likely wouldn't be impressed with this version of Naruto, although he might end up giving her the secks just the same lol

He'd be more like part 1 Sasuke I guess, before Oro showed up. Maybe like Memna from ROAD to Ninja. If anyone wants a translated script of that let me know I'm throwing one together.
 

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Wait why does naruto not having kurama magically make obito not attack the village with kurama. Minato still wouldve died trying to protect the leaf village, uses death reaper seal to seal away half kuramas power and dies from it, in kuramas weakened state kushina seals the fox back inside her killing both of them. Since naruto isnt suppose to have kurama he gets left in the cave where hes eventually found by ANBU (now im not saying this is how it would actually play out but this scenario is a possible one if naruto isnt suppose to attain kurama). Im not going to vote in the poll because i feel that both the fodder option and the not as strong option can both be true ( sidenote for those people who voted still as strong against obito and madara please leave this website you are obviously a naruto fanboy). Now before you criticze MY OPINION let me explain why i think the way i do.

If the story still follows the original plot ( as close as it would without ninetails incidents) then naruto is definately fodder and dies in fight agaisnt haku ( yes im going all the way back to kid naruto why, because he had kurama in him since episode 1 he didnt just magically aqcuire him in shippuden as some of these people seem to think, if youre going to take away kurama you need to start at the very beginning not at the part where narutos about to learn SM). Why? Becasue if you recall that fight the only reason naruto survived and won was because the ninetails chakra leaked out of him destroying hakus ice mirrors and allowing naruto to hit haku. Without kurama naruto dies with hakus ice needle barrage also if you recall naruto before he goes cloak mode he was about to die and was saved by sasuke jumping in front of him and taking the would be fatal blow. So even before relying on kurama he wouldve died. People aslo need to realize that a normal narutos TREMENDOUS plot advantage would be severely dimished since hes no jinchuuriki, making it high possible for him to die ( before i get bombarded by naruto fanboys who say "no he wouldnt die hes still the hokages son and a well known character", my rebuttal only needs three words: Asuma and Neji). Valley at the end fight is severely shortened due to the fact that naruto cant go cloaked mode. Since naruto isnt really the main character its possible that he dies at the valley of the end.Recap
-no body hates naruto and sakura and sasuke get along with him
-haku kills naruto
-neji easily beats naruto
-doesnt beat gaara
-he still beats kiba
-isnt able to do impossible amounts of kage bunshin
- dies in pursuit of sasuke when encounter with kimimarro occurs

If we continue to follow original plot (once again as closely as we could without fox incidents) then i dont think shippuden wouldve been created or if it wouldve that naruto wouldnt have survived long enough to make it on the series. But if he did somehow survive heres how i think things would be.
-he still meets jiraiya ( he taught narutos dad, named naruto and is his godfather)
-Pein never destroys the village
-Naruto still learns SM (a more improved sage mode without kurama)
-if pein and naruto ever fought pein would annihilate him (no naruto plot advantage, pein doesnt have to hold back, jiraiya never meets pein so no one knows what all the bodies can do or how to beat them)
-never meets bee
-doesnt beat edo 3rd raikage
-dies in "fight" with obito or when the juuibi shoots the spikes at him and he isnt saved by neji due to the fact he isnt as an important piece in the war.

Now if by some alternate turn of events if minato and kushina somehow survive their encounter with kurama then yes i say naruto isnt as strong but is still a strong character. Heres why hes still strong and why id like thisnaruto more than the actual one
-Hell learn more ninjustu, instead of spamming his 2 annoying a*s jutsus
-Minato can teach him FTG
-narutos rasengan will be better since hes learning from its creator
-narutos fights dont become predictable or boring with him always getting his a*s kicked and then him relying on kurama
-jiraiya doesnt die
-since the 4th lives the uchiha massacre never happens
-no massacre means sasukes parents are alive and itachi doesnt turn "evil", allowing sasuke to learn from the elite of the uchiha clan
-sasuke and naruto beome tag team from hell
-the war is a lot more exciting
-to me the series becomes more interesting if naruto doesnt have kurama
so yes, if narutos parents somehow survived kurama attack, i believe that naruto is still a strong character and the series benefits more from this. Sidenote even if naruto didnt have kurama the series would still exist it just wouldnt be called naruto, it would have something to do with ninja or ninjutsu
 

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Sasuke would of done killed him at the valley. Neji would have beaten him in the tourament
 

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Truly without kurama Naruto should have died really long ago. There r numerous times in the series he should have died but 4 kurama. Tho if he survived somehow he still would be strong but surely not strong enuff 2 face Obito
 
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Wait why does naruto not having kurama magically make obito not attack the village with kurama. Minato still wouldve died trying to protect the leaf village, uses death reaper seal to seal away half kuramas power and dies from it, in kuramas weakened state kushina seals the fox back inside her killing both of them. Since naruto isnt suppose to have kurama he gets left in the cave where hes eventually found by ANBU (now im not saying this is how it would actually play out but this scenario is a possible one if naruto isnt suppose to attain kurama). Im not going to vote in the poll because i feel that both the fodder option and the not as strong option can both be true ( sidenote for those people who voted still as strong against obito and madara please leave this website you are obviously a naruto fanboy). Now before you criticze MY OPINION let me explain why i think the way i do.

If the story still follows the original plot ( as close as it would without ninetails incidents) then naruto is definately fodder and dies in fight agaisnt haku ( yes im going all the way back to kid naruto why, because he had kurama in him since episode 1 he didnt just magically aqcuire him in shippuden as some of these people seem to think, if youre going to take away kurama you need to start at the very beginning not at the part where narutos about to learn SM). Why? Becasue if you recall that fight the only reason naruto survived and won was because the ninetails chakra leaked out of him destroying hakus ice mirrors and allowing naruto to hit haku. Without kurama naruto dies with hakus ice needle barrage also if you recall naruto before he goes cloak mode he was about to die and was saved by sasuke jumping in front of him and taking the would be fatal blow. So even before relying on kurama he wouldve died. People aslo need to realize that a normal narutos TREMENDOUS plot advantage would be severely dimished since hes no jinchuuriki, making it high possible for him to die ( before i get bombarded by naruto fanboys who say "no he wouldnt die hes still the hokages son and a well known character", my rebuttal only needs three words: Asuma and Neji). Valley at the end fight is severely shortened due to the fact that naruto cant go cloaked mode. Since naruto isnt really the main character its possible that he dies at the valley of the end.Recap
-no body hates naruto and sakura and sasuke get along with him
-haku kills naruto
-neji easily beats naruto
-doesnt beat gaara
-he still beats kiba
-isnt able to do impossible amounts of kage bunshin
- dies in pursuit of sasuke when encounter with kimimarro occurs

If we continue to follow original plot (once again as closely as we could without fox incidents) then i dont think shippuden wouldve been created or if it wouldve that naruto wouldnt have survived long enough to make it on the series. But if he did somehow survive heres how i think things would be.
-he still meets jiraiya ( he taught narutos dad, named naruto and is his godfather)
-Pein never destroys the village
-Naruto still learns SM (a more improved sage mode without kurama)
-if pein and naruto ever fought pein would annihilate him (no naruto plot advantage, pein doesnt have to hold back, jiraiya never meets pein so no one knows what all the bodies can do or how to beat them)
-never meets bee
-doesnt beat edo 3rd raikage
-dies in "fight" with obito or when the juuibi shoots the spikes at him and he isnt saved by neji due to the fact he isnt as an important piece in the war.

Now if by some alternate turn of events if minato and kushina somehow survive their encounter with kurama then yes i say naruto isnt as strong but is still a strong character. Heres why hes still strong and why id like thisnaruto more than the actual one
-Hell learn more ninjustu, instead of spamming his 2 annoying a*s jutsus
-Minato can teach him FTG
-narutos rasengan will be better since hes learning from its creator
-narutos fights dont become predictable or boring with him always getting his a*s kicked and then him relying on kurama
-jiraiya doesnt die
-since the 4th lives the uchiha massacre never happens
-no massacre means sasukes parents are alive and itachi doesnt turn "evil", allowing sasuke to learn from the elite of the uchiha clan
-sasuke and naruto beome tag team from hell
-the war is a lot more exciting
-to me the series becomes more interesting if naruto doesnt have kurama
so yes, if narutos parents somehow survived kurama attack, i believe that naruto is still a strong character and the series benefits more from this. Sidenote even if naruto didnt have kurama the series would still exist it just wouldnt be called naruto, it would have something to do with ninja or ninjutsu


OMG. plz stop reading Naruto.... You obviously prefer to live in your own naruto verse

BTW. The whole idee of kurama beeing inside naruto is the whole plot of naruto!!!!! Its what made us start reading naruto in the first place. becose we wanted to know everthing about naruto and the kyuubi. Everything else came afterwards. Kurama is no longer so appealing becose we know soo much more about his/its purpose in the series. Im guessing you started on shippuden and then jumped to part 1, couse you dont seem to understand how important the kyuubi was in the start to keep ous intererrested in the naruto saga
 

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I've been away lately so I guess I'll starting off with an easy thread. We all know Naruto has been criticized as a gifted failure. I mean, we all heard the sasuke fanboys or whichever group of person say ''Naruto without Kurama is shit''. :sy:


- So I'll start with the beginning, if Naruto didn't have Kurama sealed within himself, this also means Minato and Kushina aren't dead. Naruto would have grown up like a normal kid and his parents would teach him lots of stuff (sealing tech, FTG, etc..) compared to the ''Kurama life'' where he wasted all his childhood doing nothing and weak. Not to say he was treated like crap.
- I heard Kurama gives Naruto some nice chakra but it also gave him poor chakra control. He has to use a clone to perform the Rasengan... Kinda too bad since he could do it without a clone like his father if it wasn't for kurama.
- Sage Mode, this is the best part. Naruto in SM took out many of the paths of pain, something that even the skilled shinobies can't. In the other hand, if it wasn't for that damn Nine-Tails, Naruto could fuse with Ma and Pa and go sage mode all night. Seriously, Naruto without Kurama? I wonder what kind of butthurt person came up with that.

I didn't plan on going very far with this thread so in other words, even if Naruto didn't have Kurama sealed within himself, I don't think he would be as strong as he is now with BM but he would certainly be among the strongest shinobies, surpassing his dad :y



If you want to know; then
watch "Road to ....Naruto..."
Both his parents, Minato & Kushina" are alive.
Kishi had answered your question "if..............................
 

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I f*cking hate threads like these why take away a characters power? What if Itachi didnt have sharingan, or Kabuto didnt have his edo technique, or if Minato didn't have FTG gdfo with these threads :flaw: And Naruto would not be fodder even if he didn't have Kurama. If it weren't for Kurama Naruto would be able to do a rasengan without a shadow clone, ( he has to much chakra to control it properly hence the reason why he couldn't climb the tree in part 1) and if Naruto didn't have Kurama his sage mode would've been perfected, and he also would've had his father to teach him some techniques, and him mother some sealing jutsu. Now stop it with these bull shit threads :sy:
 
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thats bullshit cuz jiraya was minatos teacher so naruto would have either been taught by jiraya sooner or by minato.
 

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Then he would have died due to lack of search bar...
 

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without kurama, naruto would've never met jiraiya, so i figure naruto would be weaker but has more ninjutsu from his father and mother.

no, he still would. i forgot what relationship minato had with jaraiya, but he would still definitely have met jaraiya.
 

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he wouldnt even be in that situation with the poison when protecting Tazuna because minato would have trained him, and i reckon he would have been able to take on the mist ninja like sasuke did.
 

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OMG. plz stop reading Naruto.... You obviously prefer to live in your own naruto verse

BTW. The whole idee of kurama beeing inside naruto is the whole plot of naruto!!!!! Its what made us start reading naruto in the first place. becose we wanted to know everthing about naruto and the kyuubi. Everything else came afterwards. Kurama is no longer so appealing becose we know soo much more about his/its purpose in the series. Im guessing you started on shippuden and then jumped to part 1, couse you dont seem to understand how important the kyuubi was in the start to keep ous intererrested in the naruto saga

the purpose of this thread was if naruto didnt have kurama retard. All my opinions are hypothetical since this he actually as him. The thread asked my opinion of how i think naruto wouldve been without kurama i gave it. At bolded part, who gave you permission to be the publics voice on why they read/watched naruto because we dont find out about kurama naruto relationship for some time in part one. Honestly i dont care about narutos relation with kurama. For the record i started watching/reading the show since episode 1 of when they were kids and moved on when shippuden was revealed.

Next time read the purpose of the thread before you make yourself look like a fool AGAIN
 

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Although I agree with most points, I think it would take him longer to adquire the power to surpass Minato. He would also have to be smart or there would be no Naruto within the first 5 chapters. (Kurama is his anti-death insurance).
 

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among the strongest because of his heritage and learning speed
 

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narutos mom dies taking kurama minato goes to kill obito cause he had mark him then killing madara in his weak state cause obito is probably going to madara hideout, assuming madara was planning the uchiha revolt and minato and making peace again with the uchiha
we all be watching minato shippuden then
 

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naruto wouldn't be able to use sage mode as of right now and he'd only be able to produce one shadow clone. Naruto = useless
 
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