Exiguity.

[Prince Charles]

Nice try, but an infallible refutation just came to my mind.

Appreciate this premise:

• Madara gave his Rinnegan to Nagato. [
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Thus, it could not have possibly been Tsukuyomi since that requires a Mangekyō Sharingan to be cast; Madara was simply using a transplant (a basic three tomoe Sharingan). [

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Madara didn't use Tsukuyomi on Obito...

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Actually those could had been izunas spare MS eyes, that madara used on obito.

 

[-Logic-]

Actually those could had been izunas spare MS eyes, that madara used on obito.

My God; you're right.

I'll try and think of some sort of way of either confirming, or ruling that out. Regardless; great contribution.​

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[Lightbringer]

My God; you're right.

I'll try and think of some sort of way of either confirming, or ruling that out. Regardless; great contribution.​

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If he has EMS and transplanted his eyes, then wouldn't his eyes already be Izuna's eyes....meaning the one's that he gave to Nagato?

His own eyes were going blind remember?

So I don't think the spare would be Izuna's

 

[Varrah]

My God; you're right.

I'll try and think of some sort of way of either confirming, or ruling that out. Regardless; great contribution.​

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Really...Logic. That's just mean.​

 

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If he has EMS and transplanted his eyes, then wouldn't his eyes already be Izuna's eyes....meaning the one's that he gave to Nagato?

His own eyes were going blind remember?

So I don't think the spare would be Izuna's

That was also my initial line of thinking, however, I'm still unsure what happens to the donated eyes when fused with the other Uchiha's Mangekyō; do they both amalgamate and become one, or, is one eye left over somewhere?

I must contact Varrah. :scorps:​

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Really...Logic. That's just mean.​

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. Nah, I was being serious; hopefully my original post above emphasizes what I mean. xd​

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[Prince Charles]

:scorps:

 

[Lightbringer]

That was also my initial line of thinking, however, I'm still unsure what happens to the donated eyes when fused with the other Uchiha's Mangekyō; do they both amalgamate and become one, or, is one eye left over somewhere? I must contact Varrah. :scorps:​

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I think that they take out their original eyes and just replace it with someone else. The other person's eyes then became the EMS.

It wouldn't really make sense for them to "fuse" together.

And even if they were spare eyes of Izuna or Madara, it would have rotted away by now most likely.

and wouldn't transplanting his own or another Izuna eye still give him EMS making my theory about tsukuyomi a bit more plausible?

 

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I think that they take out their original eyes and just replace it with someone else. The other person's eyes then became the EMS.

It wouldn't really make sense for them to "fuse" together.

And even if they were spare eyes of Izuna or Madara, it would have rotted away by now most likely.

and wouldn't transplanting his own or another Izuna eye still give him EMS making my theory about tsukuyomi a bit more plausible?

That's also exactly what I thought; I'll have to research it more thoroughly.​

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[Varrah]

I think that they take out their original eyes and just replace it with someone else. The other person's eyes then became the EMS.

It wouldn't really make sense for them to "fuse" together.

And even if they were spare eyes of Izuna or Madara, it would have rotted away by now most likely.

and wouldn't transplanting his own or another Izuna eye still give him EMS making my theory about tsukuyomi a bit more plausible?

The Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan is described as a transplant, or exchange. Basically, alluding that Madara’s douryoku seated themselves in Izuna’s eyes successful creating the first Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan.

Madara's eyes could have been destroyed to protect the secrets of the clan/bloodline, and/or Izuna could have already fallen in battle by the time Madara had realized what he had stumbled upon.

And no, Madara can still use his own ocular powers through it, in addition to what he inherited from his little brother(which is unknown given Sasuke's testaments)... Just as Sasuke can still use the ocular power of his right Mangekyō Sharingan—Enton: Kagutsuchi—through the eyes that originally belonged to his brother​

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The Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan is described as a transplant, or exchange. Basically, alluding that Madara’s douryoku seated themselves in Izuna’s eyes successful creating the first Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan.

Madara's eyes could have been destroyed to protect the secrets of the clan/bloodline, and/or Izuna could have already fallen in battle by the time Madara had realized what he had stumbled upon.

And no, Madara can still use his own ocular powers through it, in addition to what he inherited from his little brother(which is unknown given Sasuke's testaments)... Just as Sasuke can still use the ocular power of his right Mangekyō Sharingan—Enton: Kagutsuchi—through the eyes that originally belonged to his brother​

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so you're saying even without his real eyes he can still use his powers?(the that he had when he met Obito)

 

[Varrah]

so you're saying even without his real eyes he can still use his powers?(the that he had when he met Obito)

Not at all. I am saying that Madara's sight return to him after transplanting Izuna's eyes giving him greater benefits than before; creating the Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan.

The transplant literally requires the receiver's eyes to be removed, and the donor's eyes inserted. From there, the receiver's charka intertwines with the donor's forming Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan. Madara merely copped another Sharingan before he met Obito, and its effect were severely enchanced thanks to the Mazōu.​

Nagato didn't have Uchiha dojutsu as a likely result of simply not being an Uchiha Or Madara barred the Sharingan via Fuinjutsu before installing the eyes into him for specific reasons that revolve around Rinne Tensei.​

 

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Not at all. I am saying that Madara's sight return to him after transplanting Izuna's eyes giving him greater benefits than before; creating the Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan.

The transplant literally requires the receiver's eyes to be removed, and the donor's eyes inserted. From there, the receiver's charka intertwines with the donor's forming Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan. Madara merely copped another Sharingan before he met Obito, and its effect were severely enchanced thanks to the Mazōu.​

Nagato didn't have Uchiha dojutsu as a likely result of simply not being an Uchiha Or Madara barred the Sharingan via Fuinjutsu before installing the eyes into him for specific reasons that revolve around Rinne Tensei.​

yeah that's pretty much what I'm saying lol

I'm denying the fact that the two eyes would mold together into one set.

 

[Varrah]

yeah that's pretty much what I'm saying lol

I'm denying the fact that the two eyes would mold together into one set.

Well then, all that's left is for you to accept the OP's stance if you haven't already. ​

 

[Thundercles]

You are working under the assumption that Itachi and the Databook/Kishi are lying/wrong. Why would this be false? Normally when something is stated in the Databook to be found out later to be incorrect, ie Tobi being Madara, it is to keep certain secrets of the plot.. but this really would be a stupid thing to "lie" about... Also, when you notice Sasuke using this "mere genjutsu" on Bee, his MS was activated. Why would he activate it to cast a "mere genjutsu"? He wouldn't. That is just plain stupid. Furthermore, his eye strained immediately after he used this tech, a la Itachi. Why would his eye strain from using a "mere genjutsu"? It wouldn't. The user's eye(s) strain when he uses a MS tech. Proof? How about we look at Itachi when he used Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, and Susano'o. His eyes strained everytime he used the techs. Sasuke's eyes strained when he used Amaterasu and Susano'o, pre-EMS. Why? Because they are MS techs. Your entire theory is invalid. /thread

 

[Varrah]

You are working under the assumption that Itachi and the Databook/Kishi are lying/wrong. Why would this be false? Normally when something is stated in the Databook to be found out later to be incorrect, ie Tobi being Madara, it is to keep certain secrets of the plot.. but this really would be a stupid thing to "lie" about... Also, when you notice Sasuke using this "mere genjutsu" on Bee, his MS was activated. Why would he activate it to cast a "mere genjutsu"? He wouldn't. That is just plain stupid. Furthermore, his eye strained immediately after he used this tech, a la Itachi. Why would his eye strain from using a "mere genjutsu"? It wouldn't. The user's eye(s) strain when he uses a MS tech. Proof? How about we look at Itachi when he used Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, and Susano'o. His eyes strained everytime he used the techs. Sasuke's eyes strained when he used Amaterasu and Susano'o, pre-EMS. Why? Because they are MS techs. Your entire theory is invalid. /thread

Re-evaluate your assessment.

All this thread is doing is making known such changes. Any more information you need concerning my view is located in the preceding pages; however you must intelligently understand it.​

 

[Lightbringer]

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Well then, all that's left is for you to accept the OP's stance if you haven't already. ​

me and him disagreed on a different point which lead to a separate discussion.

 

[Thundercles]

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Re-evaluate your assessment.

No, not at all. The databook was right at a time, but the author himself changed the prerequsites for Susano'o. All this thread is doing is making known such changes. Any more information you need concerning my view is located in the preceding pages.​

Even if the author "changed the prereq's", which there is absolutely NO proof of, how does this prove Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi? You have failed to address the facts I pointed out.

 

[Narutofan4203]

Left guy of Itachi: Tsukuyomi
Right eye of Itachi: Amaterasu
Both: Susano'o
(Forgive me if I had those mixed up)
Right eye of Sasuke: Amaterasu
Left eye of Sasuke: Controlling amaterasu with Blaze Release
Both: Susano'o
Left eye of Madara: Susano'o
Right eye of Madara: Stabilizing susano'o
Both: PS

 

[Varrah]

Even if the author "changed the prereq's", which there is absolutely NO proof of, how does this prove Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi? You have failed to address the facts I pointed out.

All of this can be answered in the preceding posts. Discern it... ​

 

[Thundercles]

Review the chapter and the succeeding prior to the Five Kage meeting, Masashi is

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No, his Blaze Release is his "special" MS tech. Just as Shisui has KA. That is all.