Hiashi is easily kage level

[Unbiased]

Lets say Hiashi can sense A, how is his body meant to react to A's incredible speed. He wouldn't have time to even release chakra all over his body and start spinning before A's punch gets to him.

The byakugan allows him to react and he doesn't need to release chakra all over his body he does have air palm.

 

[the dark king]

The byakugan allows him to react and he doesn't need to release chakra all over his body he does have air palm.

i think that even with the byakugan it will be like the time sasuke first fought lee his eyes were able to keep up but his body couldnt and jutsu like rotation would take to much time against A as theres like a 1 or 2 second interval between rotations. its the byakugan A knows to be carefull and if hiashi touches A at full lightning armour wouldnt he sustain dadamge as well? but on the other hand if A gets near hiashi and hiashi just touches him ONCE then its over so things could go either way depends on who could attack first all both their attacks would be OHK's

 

[Unbiased]

i think that even with the byakugan it will be like the time sasuke first fought lee his eyes were able to keep up but his body couldnt and jutsu like rotation would take to much time against A as theres like a 1 or 2 second interval between rotations. its the byakugan A knows to be carefull and if hiashi touches A at full lightning armour wouldnt he sustain dadamge as well? but on the other hand if A gets near hiashi and hiashi just touches him ONCE then its over so things could go either way depends on who could attack first all both their attacks would be OHK's

My point isn't to claim dominance but show Hiashi can fight and kill A/3rd raikage

 

[Rayder]

The byakugan allows him to react and he doesn't need to release chakra all over his body he does have air palm.

It never said it allows him to react to high-speed attacks, and believe me A's charge is way faster, just sense them and know where they are coming from. His eyes will know where he is but his body won't be able to react in time.

Do you really think Hiashi's air palm will be used before A can get to Hiashi ?

A> Hiashi low difficulty. U_U

 

[Unbiased]

It never said it allows him to react to high-speed attacks, and believe me A's charge is way faster, just sense them and know where they are coming from. His eyes will know where he is but his body won't be able to react in time.

Do you really think Hiashi's air palm will be used before A can get to Hiashi ?

A> Hiashi low difficulty. U_U

There's no proof that hiashi wouldn't win. Furthermore do you really think that A is faster then the juubi? Because that's what you state when you say A can get to hiashi faster.

 

[New knight48]

hiashi took out the head ninja of kumo not the raikage

 

[Saikyokami]

haha tell you what technically out of all the sage of six paths , paths hyuuga are the only one shown to still be alive .. the known five is Uchiha hyuuga uzumaki senju and jugo just speculation though ^^

 

[GiantShuriken]

In the chuunin exams they said Neji was the most gifted of the hyuugas with potential. Its scary because as good as Hiashi is, Neji would have been even better

 

[OWanime]

he couldn't beat sm naruto guy or kakashi but he's high jounin or low kage level at best when it comes to power xd byajugan was trolled by kishi

 

[Forget Me Not]

And the overrating of the Hyuga Clan begins. I realize Neji died recently and all, but this is absolutely unfounded hearsay.

I guess since Sasuke's father is the leader of an elite clan (more particularly the leader of the leaf's most powerful clan ever being the Uchiha Clan) it makes him automatically kage level, let alone 'easily' kage level. That's the logic I'm seeing here.

1. We don't know the degree of the Kumo leader's power. Presumably it isn't anything worth consideration seeing as how he resorted to a lowly tactic of kidnapping rather than facing the Hyuga head on. He was also defeated rather effortlessly.

2. To those saying he can do the techniques we see from Neji/Hinata+ on a larger scale: that isn't particularly impressive when you consider that Neji/Hinata are low-mid jonin at best. Hinata probably high chunin. Also, Neji is the heir of the secondary Hyuga branch. His prowess has probably even surpassed his father's at this point, which was considered more or less equal to his twin brother Hiashi's power. That's why Neji was called a genius. There is no way Hiashi is significantly stronger than Neji. Although he may have him beat marginally at best.

3. If he was "easily" kage level I'm sure he would have been in the discussion of the next hokage when Tsunade was absent. He wasn't even considered. They put Kakashi ahead of him who is undoubtedly kage level but definitely not 'easily' based on current feats from the manga.

4. At the moment the entire Shinobi Alliance is battling the Juubi; not one man. If he was a single designation he most likely wouldn't be able to counter the Juubi's attacks. Furthermore, right now they're battling an incomplete Juubi which has been hampered more than a few times already.

5. The "killing intent" you say he's able to detect is not attributed to his byakugan. That wasn't stated by the manga. In fact many ninja have the feat of being able to detect "killing intent" to an extent (i.e. the genin sensing Gaara's blood lust in the chunin exams).

6. You say we've never seen him fight so we can't really judge. That statement works both ways -- we haven't seen him fight, so why say he's at kage level let alone "easily" at kage level? That's too far of a stretch to make with little feats.

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Hiashi is more powerful than Neji and any member of the Hyuga, and extremely strong outside that comparison (the status of being leader of the Hyuga is in itself a powerful feat) but it's debatable that he's even at kage level much less easily kage level. I don't even know why you would make this argument when you've said it yourself numerous time -- we've seen next to nothing of his abilities. His only merit is that he's the leader of a clan which holds no reliable validity.

The same could be said about the leader of Kimmaro's clan, who died in battle at one point or another. Granted, the circumstances of his death are unknown.

Bottom line, too little proof, and for the most part manga says otherwise.

 

[Nishio]

i was going to argue.... but how many people can block a 10 tails bijuu bomb by themselves.... i have only seen one person do it soooo.......

 

[Forget Me Not]

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P.S. I can literally probe this entire thread and counter every single one of your horrendous arguments. Work on your debating skills. Resorting to overused memes doesn't change the fact that everything I've said is true. I would summarize my points (and even elaborate if necessary), but it's not like a stubborn fanboy like you with played out avatars from 3+ year old anime series like you would comprehend it.

Have a nice day.

Postscript: Mods, sorry for the double post. I'm sort of in a rush so posting all of this was one big hassle. I'll merge as necessary when I have the time.

 

[ChiefHermit]

I never knew you liked the hyugas. haha

Too add; everything displayed by hinata and neji he can do on another level.

to =/= too

wanted to see neji surpass hiashi, too bad
the hyuuga clan is one of my favourite

 

[Forget Me Not]

to =/= too

wanted to see neji surpass hiashi, too bad
the hyuuga clan is one of my favourite

Lol grammar nazi.

And yeah, I actually really like the Hyuga. I simply just disagree with OP. It's simply not true that he's "easily kage level" when we've seen next to nothing of the guy.

I've tried addressing every facet of OP's argument to convey my point. At best he's high jonin level. It's debatable right now that he's low kage level let alone easily kage level. NB seems to have an aptitude for jumping the gun.

 

[Unbiased]

Fail image. I like how you weren't able to post an image correctly the first time. It's a testimony to your idiocy. Nice post edit though. It may have rectified your mistake, but it doesn't rectify the fact that you're an idiot with no arguments whatsoever.

OP's arguments were more solid than the ones I'm seeing by you and the ones made in this thread. Fact of the matter is they're all terrible. And that's saying the very least.

But like I said, nice argument. Keep being an ignorant and narrow-minded fanboy with no sense of logic.

You see this is why I didn't bother refuting you.

1-You immediately resorted to flaming (not to mention spamming)

2-You perceive any objection to your statement as an argument.

Debates involve people with open minds who are very clear on their points, can back up their information with facts, and do not resort to name calling.

Arguments involve immature individuals who are narrow minded, display no facts when presenting an opening statement, and resort to name calling.

Needless to say, since you implied there was an argument going on in your prior post, I do not feel the need to "refute" you as I am here to debate with people not argue.

 

[Forget Me Not]

You see this is why I didn't bother refuting you.

1-You immediately resorted to flaming (not to mention spamming)

2-You perceive any objection to your statement as an argument.

Debates involve people with open minds who are very clear on their points, can back up their information with facts, and do not resort to name calling.

Arguments involve small children who are narrow minded, present no facts when presenting an opening statement, and resort to name calling.

You didn't bother to "refute" anything because you can't. You haven't refuted any presented argument in this thread, what's different now.

"Flaming." Are you retarded or don't know the definition of this word? Your image was derogatory and meant to be offensive. I'm reciprocating it by calling you out as an idiot with no defense mechanism other than overused memes.

You didn't formally "object" to anything. All you did was initially fail posting a dumb image, then attempted to rectify it by posting another idiotic and immature image.

Further, we aren't debating. And I don't want to debate with you. I've seen your posts in this thread and I'm pretty apprehensive about even speaking to you. But instead of avoiding me altogether despite saying you don't want to debate, you decide to provoke a flame war, then cry afterwards about me flaming. Ironic.

That said, everything I've said is all logic and fact. You probably didn't even read my post. You immediately dismissed it in the most uncivil manner possible. I can't even begin to pinpoint where you've messed up here. Your whole approach was flawed.

To put it simply, moral of the story: don't say someone's doing something when it's something you've done to begin with. That's simply hypocrisy in its purest form. Coupled with a severe lack of self-awareness.

 

[Unbiased]

You didn't bother to "refute" anything because you can't. You haven't refuted any presented argument in this thread, what's different now.

"Flaming." Are you retarded or don't know the definition of this word? Your image was derogatory and meant to be offensive. I'm reciprocating it by calling you out as an idiot with no defense mechanism other than overused memes.

You didn't formally "object" to anything. All you did was initially fail posting a dumb image, then attempted to rectify it by posting another idiotic and immature image.

Further, we aren't debating. And I don't want to debate with you. I've seen your posts in this thread and I'm pretty apprehensive about even speaking to you. But instead of avoiding me altogether despite saying you don't want to debate, you decide to provoke a flame war, then cry afterwards about me flaming. Ironic.

That said, everything I've said is all logic and fact. You probably didn't even read my post. You immediately dismissed it in the most uncivil manner possible. I can even begin to pinpoint where you've messed up here. Your whole approach was flawed.

To put it simply, moral of the story: don't say someone's doing something when it's something you've done to begin with. That's simply hypocrisy in its purest form. Coupled with a severe lack of self-awareness.

Bold number 1 - I don't argue, I debate. You came here to argue as you have implied in prior post. Furthermore I already stated I wasn't going to refute it to begin with.

Bold number 2 - Going by narutobase's definition which the mods go by you were indeed flaming.

Bold number 3 - Your perception to the opening statement was indeed an argument. Here are your words "I've tried addressing every facet of OP's argument." Like I stated prior I have no need to object anything as I came here to debate and you are here to argue as you've implied prior.

Bold number 4 - Of course we're not debating. You came here to argue as you've implied, while I came here to debate.

Bold number 5 - Another reason why I am not debating you is you have stated "everything I've said is all logic and fact" without presenting any manga pages or databook scans. Another sign of someone who is not here to debate.

 

[Forget Me Not]

Bold number 1 - I don't argue, I debate. You came here to argue as you have implied in prior post. Furthermore I already stated I wasn't going to refute it to begin with.

Lol, I'm assuming you're like 13. Debating and arguing go hand in hand. In other words they're synonymous in this context. Debates on my end aren't called "debatings" or any adjective of that nature. They're called arguments. Find a dictionary, then correct yourself. Because I don't have all day to correct you.

I came here to argue, as in debate, that Hiashi is not kage level. And I've thus far given minimal reasoning as to why I believe so.

Bold number 2 - Going by narutobase's definition which the mods go by you were indeed flaming.

I guess you decided to not read the meme you googled before you posted it. Suffice to say, it's insulting. If you aren't prepared to be insulted, don't insult. Simple. Don't dish out what you can't take. If the fire's too hot then get out of the kitchen. I don't know how many adages I'm going to have to use for you to finally reach an epiphany, but hopefully you've processed this.

Simply put, you wanted to avoid "refuting" me so you in turned tried to insult me and now you're complaining about being insulted. Seems a little backwards doesn't it?

Bold number 3 - Your perception to the opening statement was indeed an argument. Here are your words "I've tried addressing every facet of OP's argument." Like I stated prior I have no need to object anything as I came here to debate and you are here to argue as you've implied prior.

I've already clarified this. Your English is not too adept. Arguments on NB and in general is more or less synonymous to "debating." Your entire testimony right now is a straw man. Your logic doesn't even make sense right now and I think you realize that to some degree.

Bold number 5 - Another reason why I am not debating you is you have stated "everything I've said is all logic and fact" without presenting any manga pages or databook scans. Another sign of someone who is not here to debate.

Scans? Lol. You didn't solicit or request any. It also doesn't need scans. I was giving my sentiments while backing it up with logic. If asked I could have easily provided manga pages or scans which aren't even necessary to my current argument might I add. Moreover, manga pages or databook scans aren't always imperative nor always relevant. That's a black and white way of thinking. Some things can simply be addressed by a bit of logic, memory and common sense. All ultimately stemming from the manga. That said, if need be I could have provided scans. They weren't requested or essential to my points. All you did was flame and now you're complaining about being flamed.

 

[Prince Charles]

Still cant believe that noob unbiased said hiashi can take A and the third raikage.

Lmfao...

 

[Unbiased]

Lol, I'm assuming you're like 13. Debating and arguing go hand in hand. In other words they're synonymous in this context. Debates on my end aren't called "debatings" or any adjective of that nature. They're called arguments. Find a dictionary, then correct yourself. Because I don't have all day to correct you.

I came here to argue, as in debate, that Hiashi is not kage level. And I've thus far given minimal reasoning as to why I believe so.



I guess you decided to not read the meme you googled before you posted it. Suffice to say, it's insulting. If you aren't prepared to be insulted, don't insult. Simple. Don't dish out what you can't take. If the fire's too hot then get out of the kitchen. I don't know how many adages I'm going to have to use for you to finally reach an epiphany, but hopefully you've processed this.

Simply put, you wanted to avoid "refuting" me so you in turned tried to insult me and now you're complaining about being insulted. Seems a little backwards doesn't it?



I've already clarified this. Your English is not too adept. Arguments on NB and in general is more or less synonymous to "debating." Your entire testimony right now is a straw man. Your logic doesn't even make sense right now and I think you realize that to some degree.



Scans? Lol. You didn't solicit or request any. It also doesn't need scans. I was giving my sentiments while backing it up with logic. If asked I could have easily provided manga pages or scans which aren't even necessary to my current argument might I add. Moreover, manga pages or databook scans aren't always imperative nor always relevant. That's a black and white way of thinking. Some things can simply be addressed by a bit of logic, memory and common sense. All ultimately stemming from the manga. That said, if need be I could have provided scans. They weren't requested or essential to my points. All you did was flame and now you're complaining about being flamed.

Debating is a formal discussion where you express your views. An example of not debating is when you start calling each other names. Therefore you truly were not here for the sake of debating.

If a picture of someone saying you failed is an insult to you, then you have a terrible view of reality. Failing means you were not successful in your goal. It does not insult however if you take failing as an insult then you might want to work on higher standards let alone gain an understanding of what failing is. Matter of fact failing is never a bad thing, because it gives the individual who failed the option to improve upon himself.

You have yet to to disprove anything.

If you're going to claim something is fact then provide proof. I could say it's a fact the sky is green yet without providing proof no one is gonna take me seriously as you have done.