Hiashi is easily kage level

[Forget Me Not]

Debating is a formal discussion where you express your views. An example of not debating is when you start calling each other names. Therefore you truly were not here for the sake of debating.

You still don't seem to understand the correlation between debating and arguing. Charles is right, you're a noob. When you understand what connotation and denotation means, come back.

You've been corrected a myriad of times here now. Needless to say, I'm wasting my time with the likes of you.

If a picture of someone saying you failed is an insult to you, then you have a terrible view of reality. Failing means you were not successful in your goal. It does not insult however if you take failing as an insult then you might want to work on higher standards let alone gain an understanding of what failing is. Matter of fact failing is never a bad thing, because it gives the individual who failed the option to improve upon himself.

Like I said, if you aren't aware of the content you post (hint: awareness), then don't post it. Period. You originally stated you didn't want to debate or argue, yet you still decided to confront me. Despite not providing an argument, and proclaiming to object to what I said, you still decided to post an image which insinuates they're wrong without providing proof or evidence. That could be considered offensive, which is relative to the recipient in which you're addressing. You aren't considering all the variables at hand.

I'm explaining this to you as if you were a child. Hopefully you've comprehended where you've messed up by now. Try to take your own advice. You've failed right now, now it's henceforth up to you to debunk where you've failed.

Your arguments in this thread suck. Your approach sucked. Your logic sucks. You've yet to refute anything said in this thread and you haven't refuted anything now.

 

[Bogard]

1. We don't know the degree of the Kumo leader's power. Presumably it isn't anything worth consideration seeing as how he resorted to a lowly tactic of kidnapping rather than facing the Hyuga head on. He was also defeated rather effortlessly.

It's stated that Kumo lost in the previous battle against Konoha because of Byakugan users and since then Kumo always wanted to possess Byakugan. I don't think they will assign a weak ninja to a mission of this importance. Again we are talking about Kumo's leader here who came to sign an alliance with Konoha, not a fodder

That's why Neji was called a genius. There is no way Hiashi is significantly stronger than Neji. Although he may have him beat marginally at best.

This is laughable. Have you not seen the power of his vacuum? Neji's vacuum is fodder level compared to his version, and the same goes for his rotation. Read the thread please. He is completely on a different level than Neji

3. If he was "easily" kage level I'm sure he would have been in the discussion of the next hokage when Tsunade was absent. He wasn't even considered. They put Kakashi ahead of him who is undoubtedly kage level but definitely not 'easily' based on current feats from the manga.

He is Hyuga leader and he has responsibilities in this clan, too much responsibilities to take the kage position. Hyuga clan is not like a normal clan like Nara or Akimichi or something else. Byakugan is so protected that people of the main branch are not even allowed to participate in missions.

 

[Jack Spicer]

The narutards on NB just become more retarded everyday.

 

[Unbiased]

You still don't seem to understand the correlation between debating and arguing. Charles is right, you're a noob. When you understand what connotation and denotation means, come back.

You've been corrected a myriad of times here now. Needless to say, I'm wasting my time with the likes of you.



Like I said, if you aren't aware of the content you post (hint: awareness), then don't post it. Period. You originally stated you didn't want to debate or argue, yet you still decided to confront me. Despite not providing an argument, and proclaiming to object to what I said, you still decided to post an image which insinuates they're wrong without providing proof or evidence. That could be considered offensive, which is relevant to the recipient in which you're addressing. You aren't considering all the variables at hand.

I'm explaining this to you as if you were a child. Hopefully you've comprehended where you've messed up by now. Try to take your own advice. You've failed right now, now it's henceforth up to you to debunk where you've failed.

Your arguments in this thread suck. Your approach sucked. Your logic sucks. You've yet to refute anything said in this thread and you haven't refuted anything now.

If you consider what you're doing as a debate then you truly do not understand how to have a formal discussion.

Like I stated prior I'm not here to refute your argument, however failing does not equate to an insult. "Your life is an apocalyptical failure" does not insult someone. It merely states they were not successful according to the definition of failure.

 

[Forget Me Not]

First and foremost, thanks for providing a solid counterargument and consistent arguments throughout this thread. You make fair points.

It's stated that Kumo lost in the previous battle against Konoha because of Byakugan users and since then Kumo always wanted to possess Byakugan. I don't think they will assign a weak ninja to a mission of this importance. Again we are talking about Kumo's leader here who came to sign an alliance with Konoha, not a fodder

Notwithstanding whether he was fodder or not, we don't know of the extent of his power. We can't say A is greater than B or C when we don't know of A's power (A being him). In other words, how are we going to gauge the degree of Hiashi's power through the fact that he defeated this unknown man? Once again, all we know of this man is that he's the leader of a nation. Nothing more, nothing less. Was this man kage level? Most likely not. Was he jonin level? We don't know. Genin level? Again, as unlikely as it is, we simply don't know the virtue of this man's power.

It's just not really a valid argument in terms of determining or assessing Hiashi's power.

This is laughable. Have you not seen the power of his vacuum? Neji's vacuum is fodder level compared to his version, and the same goes for his rotation. Read the thread please. He is completely on a different level than Neji

Do you not know of Neji's capabilities? Yes, Neji's moves are inferior to Hiashi's. We know that. But what about the big picture? What about the comparison? You act as if he's suddenly infinitely superior to Neji with little proof or feats. No doubt he is fairly stronger, but you seem to be overstating this case a bit.

He is Hyuga leader and he has responsibilities in this clan, too much responsibilities to take the kage position. Hyuga clan is not like a normal clan like Nara or Akimichi or something else. Byakugan is so protected that people of the main branch are not even allowed to participate in missions.

Understandable. That point was a little moot. But like I said, you don't have sufficient proof to outright claim he's easily kage level. The manga says otherwise. The manga hasn't demonstrated him to be kage level nor stated. It could perhaps be argued that he's kage level, but to say he's easily kage level is far-fetched.

Like you've said, we can't really accurately judge since we haven't seen a whole lot from him. But we will see that shortly. I reserve judgement for now. At the most I can only conclude that at the very least he's jonin level and at best low kage level. But that still seems like a bit of a leap.

 

[Prince Charles]

First and foremost, thanks for providing a solid counterargument and consistent arguments throughout this thread. You make fair points.



Notwithstanding whether he was fodder or not, we don't know of the extent of his power. We can say A is greater than B or C when we don't know of A's power (A being him). In other words, how are we going to gauge the degree of Hiashi's power through the fact that he defeated this unknown man? Once again, all we know of this man is that he's the leader of a nation. Nothing more, nothing less. Was this man kage level? Most likely not. Was he jonin level? We don't know. Genin level? Again, as unlikely as it is, we simply don't know the virtue of this man's power.

It's just not really a valid argument in terms of determining or assessing Hiashi's power.



Do you not know of Neji's capabilities? Yes, Neji's moves are inferior to Hiashi's. We know that. But what about the big picture? What about the comparison? You act as if he's suddenly infinitely superior to Neji with little proof or feats. No doubt he is fairly stronger, but you seem to be overstating this case a bit.



Understandable. That point was a little moot. But like I said, you don't have sufficient proof to outright claim he's easily kage level. The manga says otherwise. The manga hasn't demonstrated him to be kage level nor stated. It could perhaps be argued that he's kage level, but to say he's easily kage level is far-fetched.

Like you've said, we can't really accurately judge since we haven't seen a whole lot from him. But we will see that shortly. I reserve judgement for now. At the most I can only conclude that at the very least he's jonin level and at best low kage level. But that still seems like a bit of a leap.

Thread. Well said

 

[oShux]

The hyuga are the " strongest" of the leaf because the Uchiha are gone now lol he's strong but kage level? And if so he'd be the weakest kage

 

[Vision]

Closed cause of rule breaking.

 

[Avani]

Considering the second Raikage was black and went out with the second hokage it doesn't seem as though Hiashi took out that leader.
Considering the third raikage was black and died of old age it doesn't seem as though Hiashi took out that leader
And Considering the fourth raikage is black and still alive it would seem Hiashi hasn't taken him out either. So which leader of Kumo did Hiashi take out to validate your proof that the guy he took out was indeed a great fighter. And who's to say Hiashi didn't just get him with the element of surprise and kill him in that way?

What kind of logic is that? How come supposedly being "Black" ( didn't know it means a squat in the manga/anime world since people can be often pink, purple, blue or green) is relevant. Try to come up with a non racist argument next time. The only thing we learned from your post here is that skin colour colours your logic a bit too much.

You didn't bother to "refute" anything because you can't. You haven't refuted any presented argument in this thread, what's different now.

"Flaming." Are you retarded or don't know the definition of this word? Your image was derogatory and meant to be offensive. I'm reciprocating it by calling you out as an idiot with no defense mechanism other than overused memes.

You didn't formally "object" to anything. All you did was initially fail posting a dumb image, then attempted to rectify it by posting another idiotic and immature image.

Further, we aren't debating. And I don't want to debate with you. I've seen your posts in this thread and I'm pretty apprehensive about even speaking to you. But instead of avoiding me altogether despite saying you don't want to debate, you decide to provoke a flame war, then cry afterwards about me flaming. Ironic.

That said, everything I've said is all logic and fact. You probably didn't even read my post. You immediately dismissed it in the most uncivil manner possible. I can't even begin to pinpoint where you've messed up here. Your whole approach was flawed.

To put it simply, moral of the story: don't say someone's doing something when it's something you've done to begin with. That's simply hypocrisy in its purest form. Coupled with a severe lack of self-awareness.

Lol, I'm assuming you're like 13. Debating and arguing go hand in hand. In other words they're synonymous in this context. Debates on my end aren't called "debatings" or any adjective of that nature. They're called arguments. Find a dictionary, then correct yourself. Because I don't have all day to correct you.

I came here to argue, as in debate, that Hiashi is not kage level. And I've thus far given minimal reasoning as to why I believe so.



I guess you decided to not read the meme you googled before you posted it. Suffice to say, it's insulting. If you aren't prepared to be insulted, don't insult. Simple. Don't dish out what you can't take. If the fire's too hot then get out of the kitchen. I don't know how many adages I'm going to have to use for you to finally reach an epiphany, but hopefully you've processed this.

Simply put, you wanted to avoid "refuting" me so you in turned tried to insult me and now you're complaining about being insulted. Seems a little backwards doesn't it?



I've already clarified this. Your English is not too adept. Arguments on NB and in general is more or less synonymous to "debating." Your entire testimony right now is a straw man. Your logic doesn't even make sense right now and I think you realize that to some degree.



Scans? Lol. You didn't solicit or request any. It also doesn't need scans. I was giving my sentiments while backing it up with logic. If asked I could have easily provided manga pages or scans which aren't even necessary to my current argument might I add. Moreover, manga pages or databook scans aren't always imperative nor always relevant. That's a black and white way of thinking. Some things can simply be addressed by a bit of logic, memory and common sense. All ultimately stemming from the manga. That said, if need be I could have provided scans. They weren't requested or essential to my points. All you did was flame and now you're complaining about being flamed.

Starting or participating in flame war both are against forum rules. Don't repeat it.

@Unbiased: Meme posting of this kind is also against rules. Please read them.

You guys need to learn to agree to disagree on such issues. Do not try to monopolise threads with your point of view( even if you are the thread maker) or spam the forums with same/similar things over and over. Move on to something else when you have put your opinion on the matter. There is no need to keep posting in a thread just to tell others how great you are or your opinion is the only right one.