There is no PNJ no TNJ no inconsistencies or as*pulls!

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Nobody is moaning over the death of a character and blaming it as PNJ. We blame it PNJ because we don't find logic in it. Every story has plot holes and , the plot holes gets the story going on.
The only plot-hole is in your head,.. I've been following this manga for the last decade, believe me; THERE IS NO PLOTHOLE!!
 
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The only plot-hole is in your head,.. I've been following this manga for the last decade, believe me; THERE IS NO PLOTHOLE!!
That's being arrogant dude. I don't know why you are so fixated of this story being perfect , but it is not. Everybody makes mistakes and that includes Kishimoto.
 
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That's being arrogant dude. I don't know why you are so fixated of this story being perfect , but it is not. Every body makes mistakes and that includes Kishimoto.
It has nothing to do with arogance.
It's arogant to say there's a plot-hole, because you can't see the logic it in.
It's not, if it had plot-holes, I'd say it. The thing is, there just aren't any.
Kishi made mistakes, but in the drawings, not the story.
 
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If Gaara was to create a clone without a hand sign and disapear into thin air all in the blink of an eye that wouldn't be PnJ? I though he wasn't able to disappear like Muu or create clones without hand signs like him. This is impossible in Naruto unless you have a special ability and he doesn't have it, but happened to do it once because the plot needed him to win. This is proof "PnJ" is real.
 
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Simply put, plot no jutsu does exist. Only the most devoted, crazy fans truly think that it doesn't. Some people just take it too far or actively try to find it.

Plot no jutsu itself is just a phrase people use to describe a plot hole. Things that shouldn't be or shouldn't have happened. Keeping a character alive simply for the advancement of the plot when they logically shouldn't be alive is considered a plot hole. And the best part about it is that you have fans making up reasons why the inconsistency is actually consistent when Kishimoto should have done that when it was written. Talk No Jutsu, on the other hand, is used to describe an annoying little plot device in which a character convinces the antagonist to see the error of his ways. If Naruto was your first manga, I could see how this wouldn't be a problem. The problem is no other manga--at least no other manga that I've read--has such a device. The closest example is Luffy, who has the power to make anyone around him an ally. But he's never done that to an antagonist. What's ridiculous is that Kishimoto makes emotional underdeveloped antagonists that take the bait of Naruto's heroic speeches.

Example time, my favorite:

Asspull: Sasuke summoning a hawk
Talk No Jutsu: Naruto literally talking Nagato to death, (what Naruto will eventually do to Obito)
Plot No Jutsu: Tobi saving Sasuke from Onoki's Genkai Hakuri No Jutsu let alone himself when Konan stated that he had to solidify when he absorbed and it took longer for him to absorb something or someone else than it did himself.

It exists.
How is this an asspul? The Hawk was amplied to be acquired by Sasuke during the few day time-skip directly after officially joining Akatsuki.

Nagato talking to Naruto is talk no jutsu? Tis is even more retarted then PNJ, but hell, if you want an explination;
Nagato already considered letting Naruto talk to him the moment he realized he could find him throught the black rods.
Not to mention their relation with Jiraiya and the fact that Nagato isn't an evil person.

Tobi will always defend Sasuke and save his ass, simply because Tobi wants Sasuke's eyes for his ability to use Susano'o, which is rare even within the Uchiha.
 
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If Gaara was to create a clone without a hand sign and disapear into thin air all in the blink of an eye that wouldn't be PnJ? I though he wasn't able to disappear like Muu or create clones without hand signs like him. This is impossible in Naruto unless you have a special ability and he doesn't have it, but happened to do it once because the plot needed him to win. This is proof "PnJ" is real.
You obviously missed his 2nd battle in the Chuunin exams.
 

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You obviously missed his 2nd battle in the Chuunin exams.
I seen it but I didn't know he made a clone in mid air without a handsign and disappear all in the blink of an eye

I know he can control sand and turn it into shapes without hand sign but he wasn't controlling sand close enough when he did it in midair. That's not even the biggest problem the fact he disappeared didn't make since. If he can do all of this that fast why didn't he do it against Deidara when the bombs appeared or against Madara?
 
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I seen it but I didn't know he made a clone in mid air without a handsign and disappear all in the blink of an eye
Mid-air, ground,.. doesn't really matter. Clones dissappear,.. you know, the part when they say, ''POOF''.
Gaara never used clones that much, and never used a handsign to do so. His first was even with his arms crossed.
 
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Implied where exactly? Tobi didn't even know that he learned it.
Right before the fight with Killer Bee, there was a time-skip of a few days, this is when they suddenly show the group in Akatsuki clothing in the Cloud.
Several techs were new, including those of Juugo, Karin and Suigetsu.
Sasuke and Tobi aren't buddies, don't expect a Naruto Kakashi kind of relationship between the two where they know eachothers secrets.

Once again, I blamed Kishimoto for making emotionally unstable antagonists. Although, he wasn't originally evil.
I can't begin to describes the things wrong about that sentence, if it is a argument for the existance of TNJ.
This is all based on your personal taste. You want things out of this story that just will not happen.
You want emotionally stable? Read Dragonball, lots of action, and little to no story or character development.

I didn't questioned why he did, I questioned how he did. It was impossible for him to have saved Sasuke AND himself.[/COLOR]
Kamui, and Black Zetsu's hyperbolic description of Tobi's Kamui moving at the speed of light.
Tobi can make him and other around him by touch intangible, in the blink of an eye.
This has been shown, stated, explained in almost every battle Tobi has been in,
 
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Mid-air, ground,.. doesn't really matter. Clones dissappear,.. you know, the part when they say, ''POOF''.
Gaara never used clones that much, and never used a handsign to do so. His first was even with his arms crossed.
No you miss read Gaara himself dissapeared! Impossible
 

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I agree kind of but kishi given some characters cheap deaths, yes its a way of story telling, but its wrong that sasori got beat so easy, and that kakuzu fell for such a shit plan and that sasuke miraculously had chakra to summon Manda against deidara it defies logic
 
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