There is no PNJ no TNJ no inconsistencies or as*pulls!

[Huang]

Explain how Naruto beats Nagato if it's not due to PNJ.
How did he escape Logic.
Explain 1 to 1 no prep how SM Naruto defeats Nagato even if he's the main char :|

The fact that you insist it's PNJ, proves you never even read the manga, otherwise you wouldn't need anything as retarted as PNJ to explain that what you didn't get.

If you did read it, you know that SM has more strenght then a normal human body as Nagato's, thus can do more damage to him, the rasengan will easily pierce his flesh, unlike with with MS where the body get pumped up on natural energy.
Case Closed.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Aside from your last line you indeed does agree with me again :| It's arrogant to no accept the PNJ. You said it yourself the author comforts his manga to it's story line because Naruto lacked power at that time. Which fault is that? I can't blame people for wanting logical answers to that.

Oh just shut up! You don't make any damn sense! Lol saying I agree with you doesn't make it so....>_>

You are deluded then.

Nope, it means you don't understand the story.

 

[natssuu]

The fact that you insist it's PNJ, proves you never even read the manga, otherwise you wouldn't need anything as retarted as PNJ to explain that what you didn't get.

Basically the whole manga is one big plot no jutsu, everything that happens in the series is to advance the plot. Advancing the plot = Plot no jutsu, that's how I define it anyways.

 

[Huang]

Basically the whole manga is one big plot no jutsu, everything that happens in the series is to advance the plot. Advancing the plot = Plot no jutsu, that's how I define it anyways.

You don't get it, these people claim PNJ is a invisible force that steers the story into a certain biased direction,..

Advanceing a plot, is just plot advancement. Plot no jutsu is appearantly plot maniplulation.

 

[natssuu]

You don't get it, these people claim PNJ is a invisible force that steers the story into a certain biased direction,..

Advanceing a plot, is just plot advancement. Plot no jutsu is appearantly plot maniplulation.

I have my own definition of plot no jutsu I guess.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Poor example as that actually was logic. You claim it was chance, but it was actually logical to take that chance than it was to continue being 'oppressed' (as the colonists viewed it at the time) by Great Britain with their taxes and what not.

For the people exclaiming there is no plot no jutsu, why can they not come up with a feasible explanation for Sasuke's Great Snake Escape no Jutsu against Deidara?

Not sure if trolling seriously... or seriously trolling...



Says the one with amazing sentence structure no? And said same person who uses the definition of a completely different word to define "plot no jutsu" no? If plot no jutsu was just simply defined as "a plot device" then that would mean plot no jutsu would hold the same definition as every other elements of a plot in its most basic form.

Lol you say taxes, I say FREEDOM!

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

The whole story is based on a plot in which Kishi knows what's going to happen. The whole point of the plot is so that the main characters eventually come out on top of the antagonists despite all odds or whatever the usual cliche is.

PNJ is usually referred in VS threads or situations where there are no storyline consideration that would be protecting the characters. This is how we assess Naruto rankings of top 10 or whatever. By your logic, Granny Chiyo and Sakura would be on top of Sasori in a ranking list of powerful characters.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

You don't get it, these people claim PNJ is a invisible force that steers the story into a certain biased direction,..

Advanceing a plot, is just plot advancement. Plot no jutsu is appearantly plot maniplulation.

This this and this^^^^^

Idiots!!

 

[Huang]

The whole story is based on a plot in which Kishi knows what's going to happen. The whole point of the plot is so that the main characters eventually come out on top of the antagonists despite all odds or whatever the usual cliche is.

PNJ is usually referred in VS threads or situations where there are no storyline consideration that would be protecting the characters. This is how we assess Naruto rankings of top 10 or whatever. By your logic, Granny Chiyo and Sakura would be on top of Sasori in a ranking list of powerful characters.

You know,.. I get it when people complain when a weaker person, defeats a stronger one.
But what I hate is when people claim it's PNJ, and don't even take the damn effort to read the parts of the story that clearly and logically explains how the person won the fight.

Like Naruto defeating Kakuzu,.. How many people claim PNJ, while blatantly ignoring the cellulair damage he took, something NO man, scientificly proven, can live through?
Sakura used weapons, and medicine to defeat Sasori, not just her strenght.
And Chiyo IS considered on of the strongest characters.

Goes to show what people REALLY know about the stories, they claim to, read.

According to PNJ logic, the following people should still be alive; Jiraiya, Minato, Itachi, Hashirama, the Sage of Six Paths,.. need I go on??

 

[Grammar Police Chief]

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Try to live with other people's opinions and stop fighting over the internet for a story.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

you know,.. I get it when people complain when a weaker person, defeats a stronger one.
But what i hate is when people claim it's pnj, and don't even take the damn effort to read the parts of the story that clearly and logically explains how the person won the fight.

Like naruto defeating kakuzu,.. How many people claim pnj, while blatantly ignoring the cellulair damage he took, something no man, scientificly proven, can live through?
Sakura used weapons, and medicine to defeat sasori, not just her strenght.
And chiyo is considered on of the strongest characters.

Goes to show what people really know about the stories, they claim to, read.

exactamundo!!!!

 

[Huang]

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Try to live with other people's opinions and stop fighting over the internet for a story.

He said posting the dumbest picture ever.
I live with other people's oppinions, doesn't always mean I should handle them with silk gloves.

 

[Huang]

Name a so-called plot-hole, and I'll fill it.

 

[Grammar Police Chief]

He said posting the dumbest picture ever.
I live with other people's oppinions, doesn't always mean I should handle them with silk gloves.

Okay Sherlock Holmes. Then don't support the OP who said Live with that at the end of the post.

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

You know,.. I get it when people complain when a weaker person, defeats a stronger one.
But what I hate is when people claim it's PNJ, and don't even take the damn effort to read the parts of the story that clearly and logically explains how the person won the fight.

Like Naruto defeating Kakuzu,.. How many people claim PNJ, while blatantly ignoring the cellulair damage he took, something NO man, scientificly proven, can live through?
Sakura used a weapons, and medicine to defeat Sasori, not just her strenght.
And Chiyo IS considred on of the strongest characters.

Goes to show what people REALLY know about the stories, they claim to, read.

Um yeah you just have lost all validity with that statement. It seems that you haven't been reading the story properly yourself, Sasori could've dodged

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attack but didn't. Chiyo admitted she was the one who should've been

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.

Never the less PNJ still does exist, its not just about weak characters fighting powerful characters and being the victor but also about how the main characters should've died numerous times or even characters being limited.

 

[Chef Boy RD]

Like Naruto defeating Kakuzu,.. How many people claim PNJ, while blatantly ignoring the cellulair damage he took, something NO man, scientificly proven, can live through?

Actually, while I don't think this is plot no jutsu, people are referring to how Kakuzu was caught by the Fuuton RasenShuriken.

Sakura used weapons, and medicine to defeat Sasori, not just her strenght.

Sakura moving at Dragonball Z speeds to dodge, regardless of whether or not Chiyo was controlling her (why the hell doesn't Chiyo's puppets move that fast then) isn't arbitrary here? The fact that all of a sudden Sasori just has a change of heart and wants to lose is just normal, good story telling right?

And Chiyo IS considered on of the strongest characters.

What?

Goes to show what people REALLY know about the stories, they claim to, read.

Or, I've followed up on every detail that people have forgot about which is why I conclude situation x as plot no jutsu in comparison to those who think otherwise. Once again, Sasuke's Great Snake Escape no Jutsu against Deidara.

According to PNJ logic, the following people should still be alive; Jiraiya, Minato, Itachi, Hashirama, the Sage of Six Paths,.. need I go on??

Um... How does this make sense?

 

[Makoto]

Explain how Naruto beats Nagato if it's not due to PNJ.
How did he escape Logic.
Explain 1 to 1 no prep how SM Naruto defeats Nagato even if he's the main char :|

Release Kurama completely, have Kurama free and destroy everything in its path, including Nagato. It survived and was going to escape Chibaku Tensei on its eighth tail and that wasn't its full power yet. If it sprouted the ninth, Nagato would've been in trouble as he was already being pushed to his limit by using Chibaku Tensei. And even if he didn't use the large scale shinra tensei or fight Naruto and Konoha, Kurama would still stomp on him based on what we know of Nagato's abilities.

Poor example as that actually was logic. You claim it was chance, but it was actually logical to take that chance than it was to continue being 'oppressed' (as the colonists viewed it at the time) by Great Britain with their taxes and what not.

For the people exclaiming there is no plot no jutsu, why can they not come up with a feasible explanation for Sasuke's Great Snake Escape no Jutsu against Deidara?

Not sure if trolling seriously... or seriously trolling...



Says the one with amazing sentence structure no? And said same person who uses the definition of a completely different word to define "plot no jutsu" no? If plot no jutsu was just simply defined as "a plot device" then that would mean plot no jutsu would hold the same definition as every other elements of a plot in its most basic form.

The reasons for the resistance were logical, but that doesn't mean everything was logical. You still do not address iSpeakTheTruth's point or even counter it.

D: maybe kishi needs a little help here and there trying to write this story out for ya. give him a break, any writer wouldnt mind a plot no jutsu here an there to help fill in their holes, no writer is perfect and there's gonna be some holes no matter what. he aint a god, people arent perfect.

Exactly. Like when Obito slipped through the rock somehow, or how Edo Madara is in his younger self despite dying old. Maybe he was tired, maybe there was something going on in his life, we don't know. Besides, he's not perfect, and he's under tremendous pressure with time constraints to put out the manga for us so that we can enjoy reading it. And what do we do as his fans? We bitch about plot no jutsu instead of banding together for an overall great NB experience. We all like Naruto, I don't know why trolls and flamers want to ruin everyone's experience, including their own.

Kishi ain't God, he can make mistakes. What we can do as readers and viewers is try to make sense of things logically. Maybe he missed something? It's quite possible. Given his planning since before writing the manga, the characters, etc, it's easy to miss a thing or two. Instead of shouting out "PLOTHOLE!!" or "PLOT NO JUTSU!!" we should maybe take a different approach, such as understanding that he's human and figuring out a logical way on how we can make the mistake make sense logically.

Aside from your last line you indeed does agree with me again :| It's arrogance to no accept the PNJ. You said it yourself the author comforts his manga to it's story line because Naruto lacked power at that time. Which fault is that? I can't blame people for wanting logical answers to that.

Lol, Kishi decided that Naruto doesn't have powers above everyone else, Kishi decided Kakuzu to have fought Hashirama and survived, Kishi decided that Hiruzen is stronger than Hashirama. Don't you see? Kishi knows his characters far, far more than we can imagine. Stop your bitching and ask Kishi if Naruto or Kakuzu was stronger when the two first met. I'm pretty confident he'll say Naruto would've still won even without plot. But that's the thing, the plot can be forced by the writer if they so wish, but no story is good when there's no logical reason why Naruto beat Kakuzu. Kakuzu didn't just attack shadow clones and fail to see the original coming, he tried to go for the original but Naruto outsmarted him because he knew Kakuzu would want to go for the original.

 

[Chef Boy RD]

Name a so-called plot-hole, and I'll fill it.

1) The Hyuuga/Uchiha clan. First we're told that the Uchiha clan derived from the Hyuuga clan.

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Kakashi says, "They say that the Uchiha clan's origins lie with the Hyuuga clan"

Kakashi also states, "They are [The Hyuuga] members of Konoha's oldest and greatest kekkai-genkai"

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Now we're being told that the Rikudou Sennin directly gave birth to the Uchiha and the Senjuu (more or less). Which would mean that the Uchiha came before the Hyuuga. Plot hole, fill it.

Fill that, if you can, and I'll throw the next one at you. Why throw them all at once?

 

[Huang]

Actually, while I don't think this is plot no jutsu, people are referring to how Kakuzu was caught by the Fuuton RasenShuriken.

That's what I said, people just ignore this part.
Check again WHY he didn't dodge, he underestimated Naruto's jutsu.

Sakura moving at Dragonball Z speeds to dodge, regardless of whether or not Chiyo was controlling her (why the hell doesn't Chiyo's puppets move that fast then) isn't arbitrary here? The fact that all of a sudden Sasori just has a change of heart and wants to lose is just normal, good story telling right?

So, a puppet that can't move by itself, should automaticly move faster then a human who can move by herself. Great logic you have there.

What?

Yes, read the manga, or just her introduction for that matter.

Or, I've followed up on every detail that people have forgot about which is why I conclude situation x as plot no jutsu in comparison to those who think otherwise. Once again, Sasuke's Great Snake Escape no Jutsu against Deidara.

Wow, did you just skip 100 chapter? Reverse summoning.

Um... How does this make sense?

It's sarcasm, once again proof pro-PNJ's don't get simple stuff.

 

[Huang]

1) The Hyuuga/Uchiha clan. First we're told that the Uchiha clan derived from the Hyuuga clan.

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Kakashi says, "They say that the Uchiha clan's origins lie with the Hyuuga clan"

Kakashi also states, "They are [The Hyuuga] members of Konoha's oldest and greatest kekkai-genkai"

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Now we're being told that the Rikudou Sennin directly gave birth to the Uchiha and the Senjuu (more or less). Which would mean that the Uchiha came before the Hyuuga. Plot hole, fill it.

Fill that, if you can, and I'll throw the next one at you. Why throw them all at once?

easy, you missread it.
The Rikudou did NOT give his power to an Uchiha and a Senju.
He gave his occular and physical power to his sons, who would later give birth to future clans, like Uchiha and Senju.
Kakashi's explination of Hyuuga being older then Uchiha is still valid.